Miss-understood *cutters*

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Julianna_Ji and dragonfly u guys rock!

Yea so do you, night guys i would help you continue this battle but i'm really tired. Bye

later buh-bye .. ill miss ya lol jk jk

well then maybe u should b a little more quiet about ur opinions and ur bickering to but im stoping now im tried as well talk to u guys later .. im out

later

~ShAtTeReD*HeArT~

haha 1 last thing ... Julianna_Jj u rock!! lol ttyl

i desided i couldn't sleep....
on u piss ppl off being a ass and thinking ur rite all the time.... (thats how my mom is)

i thot it was bickering?

but I think we get the point of your "opinion" now.. As you have said that you think cutters are foolish and stupid and that it isn't natural..so I think you can stop pissing people off about you "opinion" now...

yea he is a ass

what do u mean "petty insults"?

I think that you should just accept our opinions and stop debating, bickering what ever about it all and just go on and stop being such a ass hole about it all .....

really

ERRR THIS PISSES ME OFF BECAUSE YOUR BEING JUST LIKE MY MOM.... AND I HATE MY MOM

Frugal is an ugly word

Abdicate is also ugly.

Question. If cutting is natural, am I unnatural?

Another question. If cutting is decorative why do you hide your scars?

Another question. If cutting is decorative why haven't you decorated your face?

I'll have a go at answering them, and I'll ask EVERYONE to answer them honestly (not jump on the band wagon).

Natural / unnatural: Cutting is unnatural, not me. I know it is wrong and therefore it is unnatural.

Hidden scars: Hiding is a scars is admission that the cut is wrong. Can't show the world what I have done because it will upset Mom (because it's wrong and I know it). Hmm yes, lets compare ritualistic branding and facial scarring to impulsive stress relief.

Facial decoration: Well, comparing cutting to tribal decoration is like comparing rape to enjoyable consented sex. Similar outcome, different experience entirely.

"Look up the words, frustration, anguish, and pernicious...then holler back.....peace"

I'll lay serious money that not one 'cutter' has looked any of them up yet. Bob has experince in treating people with emotional and mental problems and you brush off his advice like he is a fly on one of your prided scars.

Viola is just venturing opinion. He's trying to help just as August was and yet again you jump all over him because his opinion is different and he's confrontational.

I seriously think some of you 'cutters' need to remove certain body parts from other certain body parts and see how cliquey you are being. Is it any wonder that I look at 'cutting' with such distaste? it is turning some of you potentially fine people into... well, I'll stop there.

There are at least two sides to every story. Understand all you can before getting pissy and judgemental.

Okay first off, people in here are taking this all the wrong way. Violax is sharing his opinions and you all are getting upset. As for you violax, you should respect other ppl's opinion and realize that everything you say isn't going to be agreed on. Not everyone in here is going to agree on everything 100% so I suggest that we all be a little more mature and stop acting like kids. Sorry if that offends anyone.

As for you Bret, here are my answers to your "questions"
I don't know who told you that scars are decorative, but whoever did is completely ignorant, but to your response to why we hide our scars I really agree with parts of that. But it's not exactly that. I hide my scars not because I know it's wrong (eventhough I do know that) it's because OTHER ppl know it's wrong and they have such a problem with it. Why do they have such a problem with it? Because they don't truly understand.

You say that cutting is "unatural" well to you maybe it is. But you have to understand where ppl are coming from when they say it is natural. To them it really IS natural since cutting is how they've always dealt with their problems.

Just a statement--

**People cutting may seem natural as can be to you. At one point in my life I thought that too. I thought I didn't have a problem with cutting, that I did it because I wanted to. But as I realized what was going on around me I realized that the problem was myself. I put myself in a bad mood or w/e by thinking about what ppl have done or said to me. Surprisingly I have it good compared to other people and their problems. I'm sure that a lot (NOT ALL) of ppl on here have half way decent lives. Why let someone as your mom, dad, brother, uncle, or even a friend bring you down?

All those ppl that give you shit and try to purposely make you miserable, Tell them all to FUCK OFF and move on with your life. Don't let someone tear you down. Don't let them feel satisfied that they have caused you pain. I have a shit load of problems with my dad, but you know what? Fuck him! He was never there for me so I'm not going to be there for him to start shit with me.

I'm not saying that you should run away from your problems, it's complete opposite. Stand up to your problems and stop hiding them. No offence but a lot of ppl in here need to build up some self-confidence and mature a little to realize that cutting can be stopped and things CAN and WILL get better. You just have to want it bad enough and you have to be willing to give up cutting.

One thing that really pisses me off about the world today is that sooo many kids are saying "oh I'm a cutter" like it's a trend. What happened to keeping it secret? That's why ppl didn't know about cutting. It's because it used to be a little dark secret but now ppl are like "Look at me, I'm a cutter, oh please give me attention" I'm definately not saying that all of you are like that. I was never like that.

I stopped cutting about 2 weeks ago and I'm doing so much better. Have I thought about doing it again? Of course. But instead I take all that anger and fustration out on paper. That's my suggestions for anyone that has problems they cant deal with, write it down and stop hurting yourself. Yes i know, it's not that easy. Well, like I said before, you have to want it bad enough.**

okay I just HAD to get that out. Thanks for reading it and for caring. And if you didnt care *fuck u* lol *smiles* =P

Has anyone noticed that there are so many people on this site asking for help...but when you actually try to give them some advice they either don't accept it, or shout at you for trying to help??

Its mad.

Yes I've noticed that too Toni.

As for you Bret, here are my answers to your "questions"
I don't know who told you that scars are decorative, but whoever did is completely ignorant, but to your response to why we hide our scars I really agree with parts of that.

As posted by Julianna Jj.

Cultural and historical-
Self-mutilation can be found in many different cultures in such culturally sanctioned practices as tattooing; body piercing; and healing, spiritual, and order-preserving rituals. (Favazza, 1998). Some African tribes display decorative facial scars. Found in many religions as "pleasing to the spirits and capable of helping humans achieve special states of holiness, ecstasy, and insight" (Favazza, 1998). Self-mutilation can also be found in

I do my best to help, but these kids have to realise they need help before I can give it. I'm a hard liner, the truth speaks more volumes than fluffy diplomacy in these cases.

I agree with you Bob and Bret.

I actually feel utterly ashamed that I was once a serious self harmer.I thought I was the only one in the world who did it, until I found sites like this, and then saw so many who did it for attention and some other v weird reasons. I knew that it was wrong, and that it hurt the people around me, so I worked hard, kept persisting at it, and now I'm 3 months clean of it.

It puzzles me why some people on here don't just do the same...its not an easy process, hell I know that. I even had stitches on several occasions. Yes I was full of so much self hatred that I wanted to keep on doing it, but you have to step outside yourself and see the bigger picture. But some people on here seem to reach out for help, and then refuse whats being said. People really confuse me...in another thread they were recommending tools for self harm to each other?!

And yes I have to say I can really see now why people find it hard to take these type of things seriously...and that scares me, because if there was anyone who was seriously in need of help, its likely they'd be pushed aside.

It occurs that help isn't wanted, not even a little bit. Or the new thread wouldn't have been started for the 'in crowd' only.

ok do u have a problem with me hating my mom and you dont even no my mom so shut the hell up!!

Do I have a problem with you hating your mum? Not at all, feel free, it's your life Shattered.

Do you want help trying to resolve your differences with your mum?

Shattered Heart check out this website,
http://self-injury.net/

You can chat with other self-injurers and no one will judge because they do it to.

Who is judging?

Alot of people in this forum who catergorize all cutters under "Attention Seeking" or "Sick" and many others not to mention people at school. I was refering to you Bret.

I'm probably going to get shouted at for saying this...so i'll brace myself...

Isn't chatting to loads of other self harmers, about the acts of self harm and what tools you use etc (not ways of helping to deal/cope with it), isn't that just feeding the problem??? :-S

Umn thats not all we talk about, we make eachother laugh and discuss are problems it acutually, in my case, makes me cut less. Just because we can get together with someone in a similar situation and laugh and discuss things that in some cases help us cut less.

In that case I'm for whatever this place is. That's good that it helps. I think its cos when I used to be a cutter, when I listened to someone talking about all the details of cutting themsleves, it made me focus in on cutting and made me want to do it more. But if its not like that then okay, thats good :-)

We don't talk about it much, but i'm glad that you somewhat understand.

I was talkin to violaxcor person or w/e and i don't care if he thinks hating my mom is stupid and i don't really care if he hates missouri or what ever ... hell so do i..... but u no what you shouldn't open your mouth about my mom because u don't no n e thing!!!

Hey Shattered Heart!

Hy dragonfly!! lol

If you can find a post in here where I've said you're sick, twisted, are mentally weak or something similar to any one person point it out.

I have a very solid opinion in general that I formed after an extensive study of self harm and I'll carry that forward with stoic resolution, thank you.

I look at everyone's story on a case by case individual basis and I absolutely will not judge. I do not think any more or any less about anyone here.

Having said that I think you are so very quick to judge and that has shaded my opinion of you, dragonfly.

Shattered Heart, I'll take that as an extremely qualified no.

I know abolutely nothing about your mum, and now I have no wish to either. I was only offering to help.