Would you feel bad about hating bush if.....

I'm very interested in seeing peoples opinions about president Bush..I understand half the people on this site and half the people in the U.S don't like him...In school My Englsih teacher is mad we are still in war...Which a lot of people are...But what some adult told me was that we are still in war until Iraq's government is settled and free...Because if we take our soldiers out of Iraq then there will more then likely be another attack against us...Which makes sense to me if thats true..I'm also very young and still not understanding all of this..BUt I was wondering...say Bush took our soldiers out of Iraq and brought them home..then a month or so later somewhere in the U.S another huge attack happens,...would you guys feel bad then because we all wanted the soldiers to come home...Or would you even put the blam back on him saying he should have never taken them out..Very curious and would like help understanding more! Thanks ...

Bush doesnt care about the iraqi people, he only cares about the oil in iraq, he is a racist idiot, He sends people to war pointlessly with faked evidence, He is an awful president and I cant believe he got 4 more years, as you can see on the news so may people are still dying, it was a pointless war, and bush is a fool

Uhh yeah thanks that didnt help me much

In a nutshell, I don't feel bad about hating him, I'm sure hes not a bad man really but he used iraq for his own gain, and now he is back in power

Nada you did help me understand as well..I'm still not sure what to believe as like Sarah said..he has done other good things too...My parents are bush fans...but all my friends aren't...still not sure what to believe..But thanks for you opinion and you did help me understand whats going on

Thanks Bob, I appreciate you giving me a RESONABLE answer..JPM...I must be retarded hey? Not everyone voted anyway and I know pretty much everyone in Ohio hate bush...that's what I was refering to..Like I said..I'm young..what the hell do I know? Thats why I was asking for other peoples help and opinions...Your to much of an ass to give yours..But thats just you and I respect that

Considering EVERYTHING that anyone has said in this thread is directly fed from the media, I think we're all full of shit and we all dont know what we're talking about.

Seriously, we dont know a fraction of the politics involved in the whole ordeal.

I sort of agree Kaitlin...I know there are still some things people don't know..But these are also peoples opinions :\

first off, iraq wasnt the one who attacked us if you are referring to 9/11. that was the talliban mainly in places like afghanistan. iraq was a totally seperate trip, but bush made it look like it was to go after who attacked us so he could get approval. he had been planning to go to iraq, so when 9/11 happened, instead of taking it as an oppurtunity to get the people who really did do this to us, he instead took it as an oppurtunity to approve his own agenda. sure, he did send soldiers to afghanistan, but have you noticed they dont excatly talk about it? and indeed, i do hate bush with a vengence. and as for pulling our troops out, well when we went there, even though sure there was a lagitimate (sp?) reason, not exactly the one publisized though, but he kept changing his reason around. and he had no plan for it either. the part we are in in iraq at the moment is by far the hardest part of the whole operation and we still havent succeded in it after quite awhile. he had no plan for this part what so ever, its a disaster. probably since right now they are drawing attention from it with other stories that dont excatly have to be on the news 24/7, quietly, they will pull out after 'the government is set up' and then like a day later the president of iraq will be assassinated, but we wont here about it because its 'in their governments hands now'. in other words....a complete disaster.....anyway so theres my rant.

The truth is this is all POLITICAL.

And considering we dont know the deeper politics, we are going to draw many conclusions that are tainted or blatantly false, that otherwise would seem apparent.

Bob, you're correct, the republicans are in the most influential positions in our government.

I hate to get into consipiracy theory (wait... no I dont), but the way I see things, how they "appear" has nothing to do with it.

Logically, both sides have points, and realistically, poets tend to be liberal (hence the general Bush bashing).

Oooh. I think that was the coldest response you've ever given me!

Do you or do you not agree that while you may be an exception to the rule, most poets tend to be liberal for the sake of it, and also that most of the people who have posted on this thread are truly ignorant of the facts and have jumped on the media bandwagon, and while they may or may not be correct they are more repeating what they have heard than done actual research about the subject?

president bush is SOOOOOOOOOO CUTE! I LOOOOOOOOOOVE HIM.

THT is all i have to say...ever.

JPM: Getting all Matrix on us.

Anyway, Bush looks like a turtle. Whenever I watch him I half expect to see him retract his head into his back.

The media in the US is incredibly biased, and is mostly owned by bushes supporters painting a different picture to the americans. He rigged the first elections and didnt even win the popularity vote, I'm frankly amazed people voted for him again, Bush is a bully, I doubt kerry would have been fantastic but surely better than george dubya

I HATE PRESIDENT BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...etc

right now my cousin is over in Iraq serving because of that asshole!!!!!
An attack could happen right from inside our country...terrorists live everywhere...nationality or the country where you live doesnt make a damn difference...

ok...i have to get off this post cuz i DESPISE bush so much that if i stay on i am gonna say somethings that might offend other people or get me in some SERIOUS trouble....

btw: does anyone else agree w/ me that instead of trying to fix other countries problems bush should start concentrating on the problems occuring in the country that he is president of?

-chelle

I get was your saying Chelle... i would hate to have a cousin fighting in Iraq..or anywhere at that matter..On that last question you have..I do and I don't think Bush should help our country first..yes i dinfatley think that he should help is country since thats what he's in charge of...But the countries that he's trying to help have rarely anything..People over there live under a dictatorship..So why help a nation thats free first and can basically get what they want when they want...I find that a bit selfish..But I do see where you are coming from and sooner or later I do think he should focus on things happening here...

I COMPLETELY AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!

you are soooooo right!!!

You talk about the power of the media re America and Bush and then say the documentary F' 9/11 was good; as if documentarys can offer a more acurate insight. Wrong. The 'makers' perspective shields the truth (if any) and is as bias as any newspaper.

Secondly, I cannot believe Bush went to any university.

"It was your cousin's fault for signing up for the armed services, not Bush's fault for starting a war. Put the blame on the right person."

Guess what genius...i know that it was my cousin's fault for signing up...AGAIN!!! especially when his wife just had a baby!!! maybe you should read what you wrote first cuz it IS Bush's fault for starting the war in Iraq!!!!!! He is the one in command of sending our troops over there!!!

I find it funny how anyone can hate a person when they have not:

a/ had a meal with them.

b/ had a conversation with them.

c/ walked a mile in their shoes.

And JPM is dead right about soldiers in Iraq. I was a soldier, served in three operational theatres and I have friends out i Iraq now. They knew what could happen when they signed up, if they didn't, they're so amazingly stupid they deserve to be out there for their ignorance.

So it's not him you hate, it is the way he presents himself and the way his ideas are projected. remember that the guy is not a dictator, the senate has a say in things too.

(I know, I know... mental work out time again)

There are so many reasons that I dont like Bush, the war doesnt ever begain to cover it.

Farenheit 9/11 is nothing more than propoganda. I could make a documentry using selected clips to show Bush in a light comparable to Mother Teresa if I was so inclined.

Liberal (and right wing) media like that which Michael Moore makes is nothing but entertainment. Interesting viewing that passes an hour or two, but it means nothing to the reality of history.

One side of the story is less than half the truth. If you really want to form an enlightened opinion get searching the archives from an UNBIASED point of view, do some number crunching and work it out for yourself.

i believe that even in this war we can still have another attack i mean whats stopping them? and really i heard that we're only still Iraq beacuse we're helping rebuild it after the destruction we caused when we went into war, it's not that i hate bush its just that his past decsions weren't his best in my opiuon, like ok in the begging i did want ot go to war because yeah i was pissed and upset about 9-11, but now that we have saddam hussian and the Iraqis have their freedom i just really see no point in being there, like i think its great that we're trying to help them by rebuilding but so far alot of people have been shooting at american soliders and i think that may be a sign that they really don't want us there anymore, and besides i already had a freind who lost a cousin and he was devestated i couldn't even imagen that type of pain to lose someone you love, that why i want this war to stop beacuse i have a brother who wants to go into combat after he's finised at his acadamy, and i know how everyone says its an honor to die in war, honestly those people need to shut the fuck up cause they wouldnt be thinking that if they lost someone dear to them, and im not saying we should pull out all we have to do is TRY to sign a peace tready with the middle east i know people think that can't be done, but if we actualyl try it might just happen, look this war has been going on for too long, and to tell you the truth even with this war nothing will stop anyone from trying to attack im sorry to say that but its true,we dont scare them, i mean sure we have more nucks then anyone, but have we used them?? NOOOOO and we should, we should have droped a nuck on iraq from the begging cause really with this war we've caused just about the same amount of damage. i love america, im just not to found of bush i dont hate him, but like i said i just dont agree with is past decisions, but theres nothing i can do i just though that this was an interesting thred so i decided to share my opiuon. but hey god bless to anyone whos being affected by this war, you're in my thoughts.

No soldier who has been in an operational theatre
will tell you that it is an honour to die in war.

It's a job like any other and you accept the risks (or you wouldn't sign up in the first place). I would have gladly died in the theatres I served in if it was to prevent the death of the man next to me or if my death truly served the greater good, but honour doesn't even come into it.

Personally I think it was an honour that I came back in one piece after doing my job and doing it well.

I'll trade Tony Blair for John Howard every day of the week.

Ok....I must say. I voted for Bush. There was a huge debate before the election...If you would like to read it, give me your email and I will send it to you.

Now, I think that Pres. Bush is a good Pres. Yes, we are over there for oil, yes, we are overtheir so that they can have freedom, yes, we went over there to prevent future attacks. I have 3 immediate family members over seas, and I STILL do not think that we should pull out now. To pull out now would be saying "ok....we quit". This is not a retirement plan where you just quit. We have made a country free. We have made our country safer.

As far as being over there for the fuel....DUH. Has anyone seen the gas prices lately?! They are going to keep going up if we can not get fuel from over seas. Think about it.

Now remember, please that this is only my point of view. All opinions vary.

~*~Christina~*~

but also in a way a debate now. so on that note:

so its fine for us to bomb other countries to get oil? to kill thousands of people so that gas prices go down a few cents. hmm what a great point of view. and if we take the troops out of iraq, we're not saying "we quit." theres no reason for us to still be in iraq at all, so leaving now would be saying " our president found a brain cell or two." and i dont see that happening any time soon. and giving a country freedom. now i wanna know, who said they wanted freedom? they were plenty free. they werent locked up in a cage, being deprived of food and water and never able to see the light of day. their lives were fine. maybe the government wasnt entirely fair but they lived wtih that. and might i add, if we wanted to give them freedom, i dont think marching troops into their country and killing everything we saw helped much.

responding to the original post:

i dont think america is safe right now. all we're doing is making the rest of the world despise us. im surprised another country hasnt attacked us yet. all we're showing them is Big Bad America can attack any country with ours tons of weapons and power over everything. and our biggest threat isnt saddam hussein, who had nothing to do with 9-11 or america at all. it was al Queda bases we were looking for. and they're still out there planning their next big move well we chill in the wrong country to steal their oil. we're not helping anything.

but thats just my opinion

You are twisting my words. I'm not saying that it is ok to bomb countries for the lower gas prices. I'm saying that at least he is being honest and upfront about ALL reasons for still being over there.

They are more free than they were. They now have the right to choose they're own leader, rather than it being chosen for them. They now have a way for there point of view to be heard. They didn't have that before.

America is not safe...you're right. But we dont have planes flying into our buildings anymore. And how do you know that there isn't more to it than we are being told. We didn't not just march into Iraq for no reason. There are reasons. Al Queda isn't stationary in one little country. They are all over the place.....including Iraq. Just because we only hear a limited amount of information, it doesn't mean that's all there is to it.

President Bush was elected for a reason. No president that will EVER be elected will make everyone happy. It is not possible to satisfy an entire nation. People have different views and different opinions. That is one thing that makes our country so great. But to disrespect our president is a slap in the face. Not everyone is going to like him....that is fine. But do you think that is reason to put him down? He is my president. Regardless of how I feel about him, I will always respect our president and his decisions. I'm sorry that you can not do the same.

America is not safe....

You're right, and it never will be. Nowhere is or ever will be. That's why we pay the price of eternal vigilance.

more free than they were, sure, but any happier? i dont think so. thing is, somehow, we turned the whole 9-11 attacks onto iraq and saddam hussein and all the evils hes commited. what does he have to do with us at all? that is what i wanna know. what are all of bush's brilliant reasons for going into iraq? and yes, no president can make everybody happy, but never has there been one that i have despised so much. be a little openminded, because i have been. and i've tried to find some good in him but there is nothing at all that i like about that man. its as simple as that. and trust me, i wish he would give me reason to respect him.

Have you lived in Iraq in pre and post war times, and if not, how can you come to a conclusion that Iraqis are any more or less happier now than under Saddam Hussein?

How old are you (your profile says only 14) and how exactly do you compare your life under Bush to every other President you have lived under?

"Because if we take our soldiers out of Iraq then there will more then likely be another attack against us"

...Last time I checked, Iraq had nothing to do with the attack on you...

Osama Bin Laden had...and so you bombed the hell out of Afghanistan...and killed about the same number of civilians as were killed in 9/11...

but that's another story...

peace

Actually, if we remove troops from Iraq, another dictatorship is likely to rise up. The whole democracy thing has to be given time to take root.

It amazes me that everyone wants their troops back when they are actually doing their job (and doing ti well I might add) for a change.

haha i had written something, i swear. but augh i clicked post answer at turns out the site had signed me out and i lost the whole thing. yeah well, more or less, it was my same opinion. not exactly an argument. because i dont really argue with you. and i greatly respect your opinion.

i already posted something really long on here, so im gonna keep this short:

iraq=not responsible for 9/11
talliban=did attack us on 9/11
afghanistan=main training center for talliban
iraq=area where talliban exists, along with many other countries in the middle east

why go to iraq over all those other countries or
even afghanistan, claiming we have to stop the attacks on our country??

answer=oil

If you want an underlying reason to look at concerning Iraq you should go back to Kuwait in 1991.

I know most of you were just wee bairns or not even born, but Daddy Bush didn't finish off Saddam when he had the chance, it looked better in the public eye for him to withdraw, victorius without minimal casualties and maximum effect, so they withdrew. That was a near fatal mistake in my opinion.

No one would have given two shits if the Allies (so favoured by the world that even Switzerland contributed money) had piled in and finished the job, installed a new government and took all the oil they liked.

But no, it was not to be and now, 14 years later things are so different and people will have their say.

It's rather amusing to think that you could be saying: Wasn't it such a great thing our boys did back then, freeing the people from a vile murderer!

Instead of: Fuck Bush, he's done such a wrong thing, freeing people from a vile murderer.

He's just finishing what Daddy should have done a long long time ago.

http://www.mattwelch.com/NatPostSave/Sanctions.htm

If you have the patience, read this article and see what keeping the UN sanctions in place would have done.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/15/1071336894548.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true

And this one to see the human cost of Saddam Hussein's reign.

Violaxcore: Either way, Bush is pretty much a lame duck

no need to insult the ducks