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Some Basic Islamic Beliefs for your benefit Ismail, since I am dealing with someone of minimal knowledge...

1) Belief in God:
Muslims believe in one, unique, incomparable God, Who has no son nor partner, and that none has the right to be worshipped but Him alone. He is the true God, and every other deity is false. He has the most magnificent names and sublime perfect attributes. No one shares His divinity, nor His attributes. In the Quran, God describes Himself:

Say, “He is God, the One. God, to Whom the creatures turn for their needs. He begets not, nor was He begotten, and there is none like Him.” (Quran, 112:1-4)

Chapter 112 of the Quran written in Arabic calligraphy.

No one has the right to be invoked, supplicated, prayed to, or shown any act of worship, but God alone.

God alone is the Almighty, the Creator, the Sovereign, and the Sustainer of everything in the whole universe. He manages all affairs. He stands in need of none of His creatures, and all His creatures depend on Him for all that they need. He is the All-Hearing, the All-Seeing, and the All-Knowing. In a perfect manner, His knowledge encompasses all things, the open and the secret, and the public and the private. He knows what has happened, what will happen, and how it will happen. No affair occurs in the whole world except by His will. Whatever He wills is, and whatever He does not will is not and will never be. His will is above the will of all the creatures. He has power over all things, and He is able to do everything. He is the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, and the Most Beneficent. In one of the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad , we are told that God is more merciful to His creatures than a mother to her child.1 God is far removed from injustice and tyranny. He is All-Wise in all of His actions and decrees. If someone wants something from God, he or she can ask God directly without asking anyone else to intercede with God for him or her.

God is not Jesus, and Jesus is not God.2 Even Jesus himself rejected this. God has said in the Quran:

Indeed, they have disbelieved who have said, “God is the Messiah (Jesus), son of Mary.” The Messiah said, “Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord. Whoever associates partners in worship with God, then God has forbidden Paradise for him, and his home is the Fire (Hell). For the wrongdoers,3 there will be no helpers.” (Quran, 5:72)

God is not a trinity. God has said in the Quran:

Indeed, they disbelieve who say, “God is the third of three (in a trinity),” when there is no god but one God. If they desist not from what they say, truly, a painful punishment will befall the disbelievers among them. Would they not rather repent to God and ask His forgiveness? For God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. The Messiah (Jesus), son of Mary, was no more than a messenger... (Quran, 5:73-75)

Islam rejects that God rested on the seventh day of the creation, that He wrestled with one of His angels, that He is an envious plotter against mankind, or that He is incarnate in any human being. Islam also rejects the attribution of any human form to God. All of these are considered blasphemous. God is the Exalted. He is far removed from every imperfection. He never becomes weary. He does not become drowsy nor does he sleep.

The Arabic word Allah means God (the one and only true God who created the whole universe). This word Allah is a name for God, which is used by Arabic speakers, both Arab Muslims and Arab Christians. This word cannot be used to designate anything other than the one true God. The Arabic word Allah occurs in the Quran about 2700 times. In Aramaic, a language related closely to Arabic and the language that Jesus habitually spoke,4 God is also referred to as Allah.

2) Belief in the Angels:
Muslims believe in the existence of the angels and that they are honored creatures. The angels worship God alone, obey Him, and act only by His command. Among the angels is Gabriel, who brought down the Quran to Muhammad .

3) Belief in God’s Revealed Books:
Muslims believe that God revealed books to His messengers as proof for mankind and as guidance for them. Among these books is the Quran, which God revealed to the Prophet Muhammad . God has guaranteed the Quran’s protection from any corruption or distortion. God has said:

Indeed, We have sent down the Quran, and surely We will guard it (from corruption). (Quran, 15:9)

4) Belief in the Prophets and Messengers of God:
Muslims believe in the prophets and messengers of God, starting with Adam, including Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, and Jesus (peace be upon them). But God’s final message to man, a reconfirmation of the eternal message, was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad . Muslims believe that Muhammad is the last prophet sent by God, as God has said:

Muhammad is not the father of any one of your men, but he is the Messenger of God and the last of the prophets... (Quran, 33:40)

Muslims believe that all the prophets and messengers were created human beings who had none of the divine qualities of God.

5) Belief in the Day of Judgment:
Muslims believe in the Day of Judgment (the Day of Resurrection) when all people will be resurrected for God’s judgment according to their beliefs and deeds.

6) Belief in Al-Qadar:
Muslims believe in Al-Qadar, which is Divine Predestination, but this belief in Divine Predestination does not mean that human beings do not have freewill. Rather, Muslims believe that God has given human beings freewill. This means that they can choose right or wrong and that they are responsible for their choices.

The belief in Divine Predestination includes belief in four things: 1) God knows everything. He knows what has happened and what will happen. 2) God has recorded all that has happened and all that will happen. 3) Whatever God wills to happen happens, and whatever He wills not to happen does not happen. 4) God is the Creator of everything.

ooooh I can cut and paste too everyone :O)

ISMAIL:

That's all you could come up with? A silly (overused) insult?

As for bringing up the past, you were the one that brought it up.

HERE IN THIS THREAD:
"Well actually Lipton if you checked the post thread "Things not to post", you would see, I have not contradicted myself..."

"...still angry because i won..."

So don't even try to get onto me about "bringing up the past." You did that yourself.

You still failed to address the issues that have been posed, Ismail. You brought it up, so I'm going to go with it. You are a liar. If you can't admit to that, even though it's been placed in black-and-white before your eyes, then you truly are hopeless.

And don't give me any kind of crap about trying to quell the situation because you didn't want to talk about it. If you didn't want to talk about it, then you shouldn't have brought it up. Of course, you brought it up to help a fellow poet. Doing this and then saying something completely contradictoy is a lie NO MATTER WHAT THE INTENTIONS WERE.

~Ciao Lipton

PS: Oh, and calling me names in a different language makes you no more intimidating... "baka."

ISMAIL:

"...rather than assess the debate, you insult me and my intelligent..."

Her words are no more insulting than your words.

"Lipton foolishly tried to bring the past up which I might add is kind of pathetic and sad."

I brought it up? Read my first post here. I said NOTHING about our past debate. YOU were the one that said, "still angry that I won?" YOU brought up the past debate. Don't even TRY to make yourself sound intelligent, because it's not working. It's doing quite the opposite.

~Ciao Lipton

And before you respond, Ismail, try to use something that ISN'T calling someone pretentious and idiotic. I CHALLENGE you to make one significant post without using some sort of cop-out, lame defense like, "You're pretentious," or, "you're an idiot."

~Ciao Lipton

LMAO Ismall LMAO

You haven't made any valid points, if you had they have been removed of all their validity the second you name call, and then claim other people are acting like children. You are a hypocrit. Sooo now I am correct in saying they are your uneducated perceptions on issues of Islam, not Islam as a belief in itself and I quote: "I thought I have perceived many issues on Islam today...".
As for insulting your intelligence it really wasn't hard and again I quote you: "you insult me and my intelligent" it's intelligence in that context, as I said you make a fool out of yourself no need for me to do it at all LoL :o)
"Not wise I might add, I already know what Islam is, if I bashed Islam and insulted it, I would not be Muslim now would I. " Again any half intelligent person knows you left a big question mark out the end of that statement LMAO. And by calling your belief in Islam oppressive is what then?
Lipton has actually had this same debate with me and I found it rather stimulating, I learnt alot from him and highly respect his point of view, though it contrasts dramatically with mine. Yours on the other hand I find humorous...I can't help that buddy because you said it and insult your own intellgence and belief's...

Keep on digging Ismall, your hole gets deeper and deeper :oD

With love Eirisa

Lipton though our points of view differ greatly I must admit I am in your corner on this one my friend, your wittiness absolutely has me in stitches of laughter :O) We need not make a fool of Ismall, read his posts, he does it himself LMAO :OD

Luv Eirisa

ISMAIL:

As for insulting people, check every single one of your posts. You call people "idiot," "pretentious," "stupid," and so much more. Do not sit there and tell me that that is not insulting. I don't care what Eirisa has said to you. You are guilty of saying insulting words back.

And I completely stand by my "brick wall" statement, as offensive as you may find that. You still lied, and can't seem to get that through your head, and I will not drop it until you admit to the truth.

"Let me see, hmm… since I was quoting the words of the prophet and quoting from the Koran, to prove my point, I don’t see it as ignorant and hypocritical, well it is not for you since it has nothing to do with you…am I right, you were giving her a boost….correct, you would never hold a grudge and counsel a person because of our past differences….Lol."

I have no idea where this quote is coming from. I joined the conversation and said that because you DO sound ignorant in what you say, no matter how you dress it up (with your repetitive "lol"s).

"Well if you actually checked, you came and indirectly insulted me, and I guess I assumed that you are still have a grudge against me after our ‘play time’ in the past….or am I wrong….Hmm…Lol."

Well if actually checked, you are still the one that brought up the past conversation, whether I insulted you or not. My insulting you is no justifiable reason to blame me for bringing up the past convo. So, yes, you are wrong. We have never been on good terms, Ismail. Not because I have a grudge against you, but because just about everything that comes out of your mouth can easily be contradicted with plain common sense.

"Well I am merely stating what I think is the truth, you have shown your self to be pretentious and an idiot in the past and currently."

1) This is your opinion, and is a waste of time, because I hold your opinion no higher than Hell.
2) Red Herring Fallacy - The fallacy of bringing up stupid, or pointless things into a debate. The fact that you think that I'm a pretentious idiot means nothing. It doesn't change the fact that you lied, which is what I'm trying to debate with you about.

"...your self to be pretentious and an idiot in the past and currently. But if you want me to call you another name, I suppose I could give the baby his bottle. How about foolish, pompous, a loser, ignoramus… does those names suit you..."

1) What are you, a first-grader? You think calling someone names actually helps you in a debate? It doesn't. It makes you look like an immature little brat that can only come up with mediocre-level insults to keep your head afloat.
2) Argumentum ad hominem - Fallacy of attacking the debator, rather than the debate. In other words, calling an opposing debator a name (ie: IDIOT, or PRETENTIOUS)
3) "Does those names?"

"Oh by the way 'Baka' is the japanese word for idiot."

I don't know why you included that. Of course I knew that. Otherwise, I wouldn't have said, "calling me names in different languages doesn't make you intimidating."

Now, for once, come back with something other than calling me names. So far that's all your last posts have been, and it's childish. It truly is. I want you to watch a televised debate one day, and count how many times the debators call each other "idiot," or "ignoramous."

And, once again, Ismail, you failed to actually look at what I'm debating with you: the fact that you're a liar. The evidence is in plain black-and-white, and yet you STILL won't admit to it. In fact, I will not let it go until you admit that you lied, and ignoring what I'm saying doesn't change anything either. You wish to avoid the actual parts of the debate, and fight about petty things like name-calling.

~Ciao Lipton

Eirisa:

I'm glad someone is understanding my posts. Unfortunately, the one person I'm trying to get through to is more dense than the brick wall I alluded to earlier, and I don't sense his backing down.

Even though I'm not one to call sides, and gang up on people, I'm kinda glad we're on agreeing sides, for once. Of course, I still miss the less immature and more intellectual debates we had, where they weren't there for someone to "win," but more so we can see other aspects of other people's lives around the world. Some people don't get that.

I actually feel honored that someone finds my debates stimulating, and values my opinion, even though they don't truly know me. I have learned my fair share from you, as well. As well as Kaitlin. Ah, I miss her. Anyway, I don't mean to be making this post all gooshy and happy, but more of a thank you for recognition, and a tribute to a very good, mature debator.

Luvs to Eirisa =)

~Ciao Lipton

ISMAIL:

"Excuse me, but they are my truthful opinion, you have shown yourself to be pretentious (which kaitlin has verified you and her are) and idiotic. In a way they are insults but they are also the truth."

Excuse me, but as I've said, I don't care if you think I'm an idiot or not. That's YOUR opinion, and of course you're going to think YOUR opinion is true. Now quit acting like a first-grader by calling people names.

"Let's see the truth shall we:
1) I helped a fellow poet by telling my story
2) JPM (Mr. PIF) made fun of it
3) New to the site, I dismissed the story
4) Now accepting about my past I now have backed up my story and willing to stand by it.
5) You come in rather than assess the situation you side by the other or let’s just say JPM.
6) I stood up to my story and explain my actions involving it.
7) Rather than accepting it and moving on, you try and pick at it and here we are today."

Alright, Ismail. This is not a list of the actual details that happened. Sure, you may have accepted your past, but you still have not admitted that you lied.

YOU DENIED THE TRUTH! THAT IS, BY DEFINITION A LIE!

I don't care WHAT explanation you have for dismissing your story. The fact is, you tried to dismiss the truth, and that is a lie.

"My answers are always repetitive because you and Eirisa don't seem to read the post at hand, rather skim it. If you actually read the post at hand we would not have this discussion today. I always say lol, because it is funny “Duh”."

This whole quote is is useless. You know why? You didn't read what I said. Go back and read what I said. I never called your posts repetitive.

"My opinions are not pointless, rather evidence to my defense, if we are talking in law terms."

Even in a courtroom, calling someone an idiot, or pretentious doesn't get you anywhere. Nothing can be done or said to that, because it doesn't advance the conversation in any way. It also doesn't help defend you in any way. It's just common sense. Let's put YOUR logic at work:
"You committed perjury?"
"You're an idiot."
"Did you commit perjury?"
"Lol... Quit acting all pretentious.. lol..."
"I am asking you a question: Did you commit perjury?"
"Idiot! Ignoramus! Stupid-head!"

Not much different than our conversation...

"The only thing you have claimed i have contradicted on was my past. Which I don’t see any proof of(proof meaning that you don't know me yet you call me a strong word as liar),"

I have claimed more than that, and I have given hardcore proof of it. This is what I've claimed:
1) You are a hypocrite.
PROOF: You condoned your own spelling/grammar errors (in our first discussion), but when someone else makes one, you jump all over them. That was what I was initially arguing with you in the "Things not to post," thread.
2) You are a liar.
PROOF: And for proof here, I need not know you or your past. I can safely claim that here in the forums just by what you've said. You claimed to have been raped in you childhood to help out a fellow poet. When brought up by JPM, you quickly denied it. The reason WHY you denied it is irrelevant to me. The fact is, you denied the truth, and that makes you a liar.

Look at it this way, you've said both sides: that you WERE raped, and that you WEREN'T raped. One of those statements is a lie, no matter WHAT your true childhood is.

"I have answered each and every post you made, which involved you insulting me, if I had no explanation for your every accusation, I would not answer your post."

The only thing I've gotten out of your last posts are reasons why you feel justified on calling me idiotic, and pretentious, and how much of a moron I am for calling you a liar. Here's the difference between our claims:

Your claims are based on opinion.

My claims are based on facts.

"Well I called you “Baka” because I wanted to state that even in other languages, the insults are the same,"

This is entirely unnecessary, and pointless.

"I would not call our chit-chat a debate,"

This is the first definition Webster gives of a "debate:"

: a contention by words or arguments

Sounds like we're having contentions. Or do I need to look that word up for you to?

"Lipton you came into this forum thread and insulted me first, not wise, so might as well do the same."

and then:

"What was that quote “Do onto others as they do onto you”. "

That quote does not say "Do back to others as they do unto you." Coming back and doing the same thing I did, actually negates your little argument here. Did you, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?" No. You did the exact thing I did, which completely nulls your defense here.

"I haven’t lied, rather the contrary, I have explained my reasons, and that is the end of our discussion"

I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR REASONS WERE FOR DENYING THE TRUTH. IT IS STILL A LIE! End of discussion.

~Ciao Lipton

ISMAIL:

"I called you names because you asked me to. You said that idiot and pretentious are getting old, so I gave you new insults, does it match you completely…..Hmmm."

You apparently cannot read. I NEVER said that I want you to call me other names. In fact, I told you I wanted the name-calling to stop. I said the WHOLE name-calling thing was getting old, not just the names. Maybe you should read what I post before skimming over it, and making assumptions.

~Ciao Lipton

ISMAIL:

Here, look at it this way:
You said that you were raped
You said that you were not raped

These are conflicting ideas. No matter the reason behind saying one or the other, they still conflict, and one of those statements is still a lie. It doesn't matter what your reasons are for saying one of the other; one of them is still a lie.

Here's your logic in a different scenario:

"Did you hit your brother?"
"No."
"Then how did he get that big bruise on his face?"
"Okay, I hit him."
"So why did you just tell me you didn't? You know you just lied..."
"I didn't want to get in trouble, so I told you something different. No I didn't lie. I have my reasons for shielding the truth."
"But you told me something contrary to the truth. That is, by definition, a lie."
"Stop acting all pretentious, you idiot!"

That is more, or less, our conversation in a different scenario. Your reasons for lying do not justify your lie.

"Let me tell you something, Lipton. When I was talking to Hussian, did I say any bad word to him, I think not… I actually reasoned and made my point across, which is what I call a debate. While our conversation is just (again) proving each other wrong,"

This really has nothing to do with the quote you posted of mine. Anyway, it's only a debate if you get your point across, is it? Hmm...
And there's no way we both could be proving each other wrong. I'm arguing something contrary to what you're arguing, and in something like this, there's only a right view, and a wrong view.

"Hmm… well lets see, you are calling me a hypocrite for correcting other’s spellings, well correcting other’s spellings or typos is what I call common courtesy, I haven’t gloated or said “My spelling is better than yours”, now have I..."

You must not know what "condone" means, do you? I wasn't saying you were gloating about your grammar. To condone something is to glance over it, or to excuse it. To "wink" at it. And yes, you DID condone your own errors. In our first discussion, I corrected you, and you got all defensive and argued that spelling/grammar isn't a necessity on the boards, because the forum is more or less, like a chatroom. Thus, "chatroom talk" should be fine.
Next time I see ou in the boards, you're jumping all over other people for their spelling errors. THAT is what I'm calling a hypocrite. A hypocrite dosn't have to be all proud, and gloating.

"As for the liar comment, I have dismissed my past because I did not want to be mocked by it, which JPM clearly made..."

Again, your reasons for shielding the truth matter not. What matters is the fact that you shielded the truth anyway.

"Now now, isn’t it a bit arrogant to say that your own opinion is fact"

No. Why?

Your claims = I am an idiot, and pretentious. That is opinion

My claims = You are a hypocritical liar. I have given proof of that in every one of my posts.

That is why I can say that without being arrogant.

"Ok, let me get this straight, you call our last bout in the past (which we are repeating I might add) mindless crap, now you are saying it is a debate, contradictory don’t cha think….Lol."

You seriously cannot read. Go ahead and re-read the post where I mentioned "mindless crap."

"I gave it to you to take it into consideration"

Not as you put it. You were using it as a justification for your insults.

"try to find out the reasons behind my actions and you will see the truth"

Your reasons for lying do not justify the lie. Stop saying that, because it's wrong.

~Ciao Lipton

ISMAIL:

A lie is a lie, no matter WHY you did it. That is fact. I really don't care WHY you lied. A lie is a lie. Get that through your head. I don't understand why you can't understand that. The reasoning behind the lie is not, by any means, a justification for the lie.

"if I were in the court of justice, there has to be reasons for people saying something other than the truth..."

If you were in a court of justice, you'd be imprisoned for perjury. That's that. End of discussion.

~Ciao Lipton

Ismail:

"Are you dumb?, because you sound like it, you say you don[t care i lied yet, you bring it up in every conversation"

I never said I didn't care that you lied. I said I don't care WHY you lied. The fact is: you lied.

"hmm, you say that if i told a lie, because i wanted to hide my past, which i find it now stupid"

How is that stupid? You just contradicted yourself here, because that is the EXACT reason you gave to me. You wanted to "quell" the situation, or you just didn't want to talk about it, which is what you've told me, and JPM.

"If i was in a court of justice, and you were the judge i would not be the only one imprisoned i would also be beheaded....Lol. "

This quote is pointless.

Ismail, I don't know how else I can tell you that you lied. The evidence is in plain black-and-white, and yet you still refuse to see it.

Even then, there's still more proof that you, at least, TRIED to lie on another subject:

JUSTPLAINME:
"you said you're a male model who dances in clubs to make a living in another thread."

ISMAIL: "Wow Mr. PIF, look who is a liar now, where did I say that....stop your pathetic lies.."

Read this:
http://www.poems-and-quotes.com/discussion/topic.html?topic_id=19663)

So you're a liar... twice.

~Ciao Lipton

Lipton:
Glad also to be on the same page as you my friend. I don't care if he backs down, it really isn't a matter of that his opinions and unknowledgable perspectives on what he claims to have faith in aren't my concern, my concern is defending that they are nothing like his twisted perception. Its funny now because he just makes a bigger fool of himself each time he posts.
I've always loved our debates though at times they have got heated I have learnt from you, I admire your stance in your belief and will continue to respect that and learn from you.
Thanks darling
Much love straight back..............Eirisa

Eirisa: each time you speak, you seem to get dumber and dumber with every conversation.…Lol

*Funny Ismail I think the same thing about you, only my thoughts are accurate*

Lol, I have made valid points on my accusations, using hadith and surahs from the Koran, Lol. You on the other hand bring your personal views such as your life and family and how it changed you into it…That is uneducated my dear…You act like a child, therefore I say you act like a child. I have understood what hussian had to say, he brought forth valid points, and although I disagreed with some of them, I understood what he meant, that my dear is what a debate is. I am not a hypocrite nor have I said anything hypocritical… don’t confuse yourself.

*How are my family and my life not related? They are as big a part of me as my faith and that the debate going on here. You claiming you're a faithful Muslim and then publising our religion is oppressive, that in itself is hypocritcal, look up the meaning of the word and perhaps you'll understand. Its a debate for me "my dear" but is clearly more to you, when did I stop laughing - never*

“As for insulting your intelligence it really wasn't hard and again I quote you: "you insult me and my intelligent" it's intelligence in that context, as I said you make a fool out of yourself no need for me to do it at all LoL :o)”

Calling me uneducated…in every post and saying I have a lack of understanding about Islam, well that to me shows that you are trying to slur my intelligence. How am I making a fool of myself….hmm? By trying to show prove of my every accusation and points I made, and here I thought that you were the smart one…how wrong I am…Lol.

*I call you such because you are. I say you have a lack of understanding, you do. You can quote every Hadith in Quran Ismail but if it's not in your heart, then it means nothing to me or anyone else. You are passionate about arguing and debating and not your faith is what you have shown me*

“Not wise I might add, I already know what Islam is, if I bashed Islam and insulted it, I would not be Muslim now would I. " Again any half intelligent person knows you left a big question mark out the end of that statement LMAO.”

How clever of you eirisa to point it out, next time I will maybe try to put a question mark when trying to defend myself..Lol.

*Well following a question like (Would I) whether defending yourself or not, deserves in english grammar is followed by a question mark (Would I?) again just making your levels of "intelligent" LMAO evident and like I said not very difficult at all*

“And by calling your belief in Islam oppressive is what then?”
I think I have explained my views on why Islam is oppressive, rather than be defensive, be wise and intelligent…which by the way you are seriously lacking there of.

*I've have heard them and don't agree with them and am not afraid to say so, now stop crying and go to your room..*

“Lipton has actually had this same debate with me and I found it rather stimulating, I learnt alot from him and highly respect his point of view, though it contrasts dramatically with mine. Yours on the other hand I find humorous...I can't help that buddy because you said it and insult your own intellgence and belief's...”

I don’t see what Lipton has anything to do with our apparent conversation,

*Ummm since when did this forum belong to you and me buddy? It has everything to do with Lipton and anyone else caring to read. I posted directly to him as I do to you, stop being jealous.....sheesh if you want my attention that bad......LMAO*

I will say this to you, I can make my opinion, if it slanders Islam, that is your own, my intent is to find out more on what Islam is today and I think I learnt that from hussian, he put out some valid points, while you on the other hand my dear, have only stated how Islam changed your life

*So what's wrong with that? Who are you to judge how Islam changed my life and perspective? I'm judging your arrogance, ingorance and intelligence, not Islams...you get funnier and funnier*

….Lol…foolish I might add, again eirisa, If you want to say something useful concerning the debate me and hussian had which you rudely interrupted, then by all means please do. If you only have dilatory slander, keep it to yourself…

*Dilatory slander LMAO Please did you even read what you wrote? Again since when did I rudely interrupt this is no more your forum that it is Husseins and Im glad you learnt something from someone, Hussein is extremely knowledgable, well done...but "what does he have to do with our conversation" bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hahahahah I need not keep anything to myself, you are such a hypocrit Ismail its humourous, need I say more because you have clearly said it enough...you do it to yourself champ*

“Lipton though our points of view differ greatly I must admit I am in your corner on this one my friend, your wittiness absolutely has me in stitches of laughter :O) we need not make a fool of Ismail, read his posts, he does it himself LMAO: OD”

Again foolish of you to slander me, I haven’t once made a fool of myself, I have stated each and every point, and have defended myself against your insults, you are being really ignorant…Lol.

*I didn't "slander you, heck I did and what sue me? LMAO You have made a fool of yourself just scroll up...you have defended yourself against my perspective with insults yourself.
I will fight for your right to speak your opinion Ismail whether I agree with it or not, but I will not let others read this very PUBLIC forum and not have it be seen from another.*

Peace Eirisa

Hi everyone, I’m a Bahai living in Iran. Our prophet is
Baha’u’llah. we say God is one, Man is one and all the
Religions are one. We love all prophets and we read
All holy books (Gospel, Quran, Tura, dehamapada,
Aqdas(our prophet’s book) and …) and we do as they
Say. They all actually say the same things. We say
The one who all of the people were waiting for has
Come. The people of every religion are waiting for
Someone to come. We say they are all waiting for
One person and he has come. Our prophet says oneday
There’ll be peace all over the world. If you want to
Know more about this religion then this is the site I
Suggest: reference.bahai.org
And these are some of the teachings of Baha’u’llah:
1. The first is the independent investigation of reality.
2. The second is the banishment of all prejudice.
3. The third is the oneness of the world of humanity.
4. The fourth is the oneness of the foundation of all religions.
5. The fifth is the unity of science and religion.
6. The sixth is the universal auxiliary language.
7. The seventh is universal education.
8. The eighth is the equality of the sexes.
9. The ninth is the parliament of man.
10. The tenth is universal peace.
We musn’t put our religions a subject for our arguments.
Because God doesn’t like this.
Love to all, Marjan

Ismail:

"Lol, well I told you the reason, you either take it or shove it, I have given you the reason over and over again, you say you don’t care, I seriously hope you aren’t a pastor because you would kill the religion itself."

Again, I say this: The reason behind the lie is no means of justification FOR the lie.

For the other thing, let me say I was a bit mistaken. In the previous discusion involving this, when JPM brought it up, you got all defensive, and even ADMITTED to making a mistake. Which leaves me a bit suspicious... Why would you admit to a mistake that you didn't even do?

Nonetheless, you're still a liar. I can't further spell it out for you. I have given you rock-hard proof of it, and you still keep coming back and saying, "Once you see my reasons, you'll undersand." The reason for lying doesn't justify the lie. A lie is a lie, no matter WHY you did it.

~Ciao Lipton

"Coming from a person, who let me just say has a cornucopia of error spelling mistakes, I would suggest that you stop advising about grammar….Lol."

Read all of your posts. You have run-ons, and fail to use correct punctuation in each one of them.

"Well all I see you doing is kissing the ass of JPM and Lipton"

See, this is an event where you must know someone's past in order to make some stupid remark like this one. Eirisa and I have had our discussions in the past. We are really good friends. Maybe you didn't get that when I posted to her a while ago.

"gopher or at least a crack whoar."

"Whoar" is actually spelled, "whore."

"Well what is humorous is your lack of understanding of the word spell checker"

I can say the same thing about you.

"Lol, we it is at it state,"

That doesn't make any sense.

"and since you have the mental I.Q of 34, I would say that you my dear are a stone cold fool, I will tell you why, you have not fighted for my..."

I love this. "Fighted?" And you're jumping all over Eirisa for HER spelling mistakes? And IQ jokes are quite immature. I love how people bring those up as some sort of insult.

"You are a kiss ass, foolish, contradictory, slanderous idiot, who needs, to be kissing the ass of others rather than replying. Champ…"

Argumentum ad hominem

~Ciao Lipton

I really can't wait until this topic is locked. It's gotten way off-topic, and some people think the only way they can respond is with mediocre-level insults. Please, mods! LOCK THIS THING!

~Ciao Lipton

Ismail:

"Again, lipton try to look at what you say, and thank you for finally admiting that you were wrong...."

I never admitted that. I don't even know WHERE you got that. If you think that this is the quote:

"For the other thing, let me say I was a bit mistaken. In the previous discusion involving this, when JPM brought it up, you got all defensive, and even ADMITTED to making a mistake. Which leaves me a bit suspicious... Why would you admit to a mistake that you didn't even do?"

... then you need to actually read it. I'm speaking of the club dancing thing.

"Again i say i don't care whether you or eirsia had a debate or not,"

You called her a "kiss-ass" because of how she was talking to me. I was merely telling you that we're friends, so she's doing nothing of the sort.

" do not cover or sugarcoat on what i believe is the truth"

So saying that you weren't raped isn't a cover-up for the truth?

You still lied. Go ahead, and prove me wrong; but how can you? The only thing you can do is comeback and call me childish and immature.

~Ciao Lipton