Intellegent Discussion: Global Warming

Noni,

I'm in Hong Kong and the winters here have become almost non-exsistent except for a few short days.

The hot weather periods are much longer and the temperature has gone up. We recently had a day here that was 35 deg. C.

The development of solar cars and use of solar/wind borne energy resources etc. is not being developed fast enough.

The problem is that the industrial nations are emitting green houses gases at rates much faster then we can properly cope with them.

Steve

The planet has got serious problems. To what degree? Well, I think it's being covered up!

For all of the warnings and theories and what have you about global warming there isn't actually any physical evidence for it. This is why Bush wouldn't sign the Kyoto treaty.

Just food for thought.

"For all of the warnings and theories and what have you about global warming there isn't actually any physical evidence for it."

Actually Brett that isn't true. There is plenty of evidence of global warming, just not super solid evidence linking it to human causes.

e.g:
carbon dioxide in atmospheric levels has increased by over 30% since pre-industrial levels

methane in the atmosphere has increased 145% in the past century

the melting of glaciers is occuring at an increasingly rapid rate

or you could just point straight to the increasingly erratic temperatures all over the world:
http://www.ecobridge.org/content/g_evd.htm

I assume that the industrial revolution and our actions in this post industrial world are the cause, but I can't claim I have evidence. I do believe, however, that there is sufficient evidence to show that global warming is occuring. I think the President knows that too, and although he withdrew from the Kyoto Protocol, he did call a convention of numerous alternative energy experts to attempt to figure out how to lessen the effects of global warming (hence the recent focus on the possibilities of carbon dioxide storage in depleted underground aquafiers).

Sean, I appreciate the correction, that is what I meant.

There is no tangible proof that humanity is a contributing factor in global warming.

My personal feelings differ in that I can't see any other cause worth talking about. and even if there isnt it wouldn't do mankind any harm to tighten the reins.

Kyoto (Japan) could be literally close to the mark in that China, currently going through its own industrial revolution at a scale far larger than any others, could be a massive contributor to global warming at this present time.

Haven't noticed much here in Sweden, same crappy weather all year around. Never really summer, never really winter. Pritty much feels like spring and autum all year around.

Humans messsed up the world, now we and the future generations have to live to face the consiquense.

It's earth suicide.

Onyx: Was it really necessary to bump a thread that was made and ended two 3 years ago...just so you'd say your one liner...?

Was it necessary!!

I think not!

O.O this is really old. do you read all the old posts
?

I some times read the old posts ^___^ because its interesting like this subject to see what people have already said.

I mean there isnt much talk about global warming at the moment i mean theres the ever pressing, got to get Co2 admitions down, but thats only one bit of the problem, iv known since i was 6 years old what global warming was and the basics of what was causing it. I mean i dont do much for the enviroment not many people do and its the sad reality of it. You could argue that this warming up is just a fase that the earth goes through which i wont argue with there is also alot of strong evidence for that aswell...

I remember when i was about 8 i disided i would collect bugs that where on there death beds and i would place them in a jar and i would go round placing other thing in my jar, every now and again pushing it down, and i remember walked down into the woods and digging a whole and i thought to my self bye bye buggies be a nice meal for the wormies.... o.O i did it a few times in a couple of places and thinking back i really cant remember the reason why i even started doing it.

Not trying to start any beef here, but I'm confused. When someone bumps an old thread, we get annoyed (I realize that this was a rather trite one-liner, but hasn't it happened with others?). However, if they start a topic that has been talked about before, it gets locked and we tell them to use the search forums. Basically, I'm just wondering if it's a lose-lose situation here : )

We must remember and honor our past, PNQ MEMBERS! Are we forced to forget about old posts aka this website's history? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :) I'm laughing. But yes, Sibs makes an excellent point.

Onyx, congrats mate ;)

Lol...Jane you have to admit it is quite annoying for someone to bump a thread...

Which would lead to question, why would they bring a three year old thread, simply to state "I agree"...Onyx must be either a man with no original opinions of his own or someone who clearly is defying the mods with a play on the rules...

If you truly want to make a topic, that is already covered...Seeing as this is a literary site, why not, ask it differently?

Sounds simple...No?

Sometimes I like when a thread is bumped if it is one I haven't seen before and there is some useful information to share. I do agree it is annoying for someone to post and just have some generic I agree comment.

I found some interesting facts on the Discovery website: http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/globalwarming/primer/primer.html

Here are some exerpts:

The National Academy of Science has put the rise in temperature at 1 degree F over the course of the 20th century, but measurements from satellites of both land and sea surfaces are showing that the rate of warming is increasing sharply.

It's more than just surface temperatures that are going up, however. A lot of research into temperature changes in the upper layers of the atmosphere, as well as the deep oceans, is showing warming.

Then, there are the more obvious signs: the rapid retreat of glaciers in Greenland, Alaska, the Himalaya, the Antarctic Peninsula and on high tropical mountains; the thinning and disappearance of sea ice in the Arctic Ocean during summer; the melting of permafrost in Canada, Alaska and Siberia; and the rise of sea level and an increase in extreme weather.

The cause of global warming is what's called the "greenhouse effect." That's shorthand for the ability of gases in the atmosphere to slow down the release of heat into space at night. Some gases are better at this than others. Carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide are the top three "greenhouse gases." They are very good at absorbing sunlight and converting that energy into heat, rather like a rock does just sitting in the sun.

Surprisingly, the greenhouse effect isn't a bad thing. It's essential for life on Earth when it's not too vigorous. If not for the greenhouse effect, the temperature on the surface of Earth would be like that of the airless moon swinging wildly from 225 degrees F (107 C) during the day to -243 degrees F (-153 C) at night. Not a good place for life.

The greenhouse effect is only troublesome when it gets too strong and warms things too much. And that's just what scientists say has happened over the last 150 years or so as the people of industrialized nations have extracted Earth's vast buried stores of fossil fuels and burned them. Since the start of the Industrial Revolution the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide has increased nearly 30 percent, methane has more than doubled, and the nitrous oxide concentration is up about 15 percent. All those extra greenhouse gases mean more and more solar energy is being trapped in the atmosphere, exacerbating the greenhouse effect and making things warmer.

The result: 2005 was Earth's warmest year in a century, according to NASA climatologists. The years 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2004 were the next four runners-up. The year 2005 was also a record-breaking year for Atlantic hurricanes in which the coastal city of New Orleans made all the more vulnerable because of sea level rise was almost wiped off the map by Hurricane Katrina.

Check out this link:

http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/globalwarming/interactive/interactive.html

Here in philippines,..theres no winter,.he3,.when its summer sometimes the temperature here goes 41-48 deg. C,..

so hot,^_^

There are so many problems in the world, one being global warming, but usually we end up living our lives once again and forgetting it all.

It sucks really.

xx