free will?

do any of us actually have free will or are we all just cogs in a machine that do exactly as were supposed to with out knowing it?
aaron

do you?

well kinda someone said this to me the other day and it completely changed my mind:
if it were possible to know the direction and velocity of each individual atom in the universe (includeing in our brains and hypotheticaly speaking of course) then we would be able to tell where each and every atom would be in one second and we could calculate what would happen to them after that. so hypothetically we could tell the future and so would not have free will.
veiws?

We have no fate but that which we make ourselves.

lol urm well i see ur point but using ur analogy the desision of whether to get in the car or not has allready been made because if you could see inside the brain and work out where every atom in the brain would end up then you would be able to predict accurately what would happen. so perhaps it may seem as if you have a choice but because of the fact that it could be accuratly predicted would mean u have no real choice over what happens it is just a series of cause and effect of chemicals and atoms. i hope that made more sence to u than it did to me lol

na that was good yay us!!

ok the past is fate thus fate exists thing really makes no sense

We have free will. We just don't use it.

The past exists fate thing makes fine sense. and so does what he said about free will and fate existing at the same time. He is perfectly justified, and makes perfect sense; he just didn't stop to explain it outright. If you wish to have it explained outright it would take more pages than this entire site has poetry. But look up some good books about chaos theory and string theory and such; you should be able to find some answers in there.

I am talking about soul rebel's post.

And the abooove is what in philosophy is called an "inductive argument"

Which basically means you have taken things we know to be true from what we have expierienced and used them to make the conclusion most probable... so you have kindas proooven that the exitence of fate is more probable than not!

w00t! you can tell i do philosophy A level!

I dunno whether to believe in fate or not... but i think i believe that they are like certain paths to follow.. but we can choose from these paths...

*shrugs*

x~X~x

Free will, yes we have it. Like, if you want to curse, you can, no one is there to stop you, not saying that it is okay, just saying. hehehe, lol

-*-Cherri-*-

it isn't a reflection Ismail. The head your right eye sees is different than the head your left eye sees. Yet they are both looking simultaneously. so in a way, like soul said, you have two heads. Then your occipital lobe processes the visual information and puts it all together to reveal a different looking head than either one of your eyes saw is a third head. Plus there is that head that really is on the outside of your body that exits which makes a fourth head. And there is the head that is actually reflecting in the mirror which is made of different light particles, which again is an actual physical substance. yet we only believe there to be one head, the one we actually see in the mirror, not the other ones which get processed along the way. It is a rhapsody of inductive reasoning while at the same time showing how one's perception of reality is true. You may wake up in the morning and tell yourself wow, I look good today. You believe it so it becomes your reality, or truth. But someone else may say look at that guy; he looks like a dump. Well you have just crossed paths into someone else's reality, does it make it any less true that you look good. No. Does you thinking you look good make it any less true that you look like a dump. No. Therefore both exist at the same time. Just like the multiple heads thing. All heads exist at the same time, yet we only percieve it to be one head. These other heads are not necessarily physical heads made of flesh and hair and bones; they are made of physical information that is sent through axons and dendrites by electrical ions in your body. So therefore these other heads do exist, in as much of a physical manner as the head that you percieve to be the one sitting upon the top of your neck. The one that is used when you brush your teeth, comb your hair, or get punched in the face.

Which all leads back to the topic soul saying that all the heads exist along with fate and free will existing at the same time, and yes they both do exist.

No it is not just the senses that give definition to things. If you lose your sight you may have lost several perceptions, or processes, or heads, but does it mean those heads don't exist at all. No, cause when other people see you those heads that are processed exist to the other people. And you still have an idea of what your head will look like, or what you want it to look like. So they still do exist, just like free will and fate can exist simultaneously too.

Oh and another thing Basic Five Senses is three words, not one.