To those who seek knowledge and light

Check your mail..

Oh well, perhaps the seeking of light is a lonesome journey, because we all seem to be seeking different lights...

//T.L.//

"Dark times await us."

Wrong!

Dark times are WITH us!

I'm a disciple of the philosopher William Melvin Hicks. I understand perfectly the nature of mankind and our relationship with God, Humanity, and porno. :-)

Ha, Ed you geek.

I very much doubt you will learn anything a great spiritual value from e-mails, except perhaps avenues of research, because it's in the doing that we really learn things, not in the speaking.

But, I'm interested in what you think you know so well you can teach to another? I'm not trying to challenge you, i just think it's unusual for someone to say that.

BELIEVE OR DIE!!

KM: "Ha, Ed you geek."

Many a philosopher has been stoned for the words he has preached. Bill was no different. Only he gave up being stoned...

agree with sunny...

such times should be spent alone...in the embrace of nature...at night...by a silent lake, over which a mist slowly glides, covering the few swans that swim there in a wonderful light...under a silvery fullmoon...

yeah...this is poetry-writing time for me:P=)

Sounds like Llyn Ogwen in North Wales. If you transplant "silvery moon" with "perpetual downpour". :-)

There's the times when you spent time alone, like devotions or whatever, and then there are the times when talking to other people can help you learn.

Like, ok, please don't get offended but I'm just going to use my own personal examples, beign a CHristian.

Private time: Devotions (reading the Bible, meditating on it, praying, etc)

Public time: Church, talking with other CHristians about Churchy stuff, etc.

I reallly didn't know what other examples to use other than my own personal ones, as I'm sure someone who practises Buddhism would have his own 'rituals' (I guess would be the word) that he would use as an example. I'm only explaining this because usually when I use my experiences, being Christian n all, some people tend to get upset and offended. Just wanted to explain that... wow that was a longer post than what I wanted it to be.. and now I'm just blabing....

Beautiful example above, and very gently put I might add.

When I posted earlier about how little of worth I believe you can learn from philisophical or religious discussions with others, I meant only that one must put them into practice to really learn anything of true value.

For example, someone explains to you the benifits of meditation or prayer [one and the same thing really] and you listen to them, and perhaps if you are lucky, some of what they say to you will ring true becuase you are ready for such truth. And so you put it into practice and by that effort you actually learn something over and above their words.

It's only by doing we show that we know, talking is showing that you remember something.

Do I know about the first and second world wars? No, I only remember them from words and images.

Many people claim knowledge of things they only recall.

That's a good point as well, Kevin.

And your point about my point being a good point, is a good point.

If you get mine.

Ya got me.

Meditation is like, thinking on something that you've read and really examining yourself, heart, etc.. Kind of like the opposite of ignorance but REALLY thinking on it.. that thought just hit me lol. if you guys know what I mean by that.

Meditation is bad for me, because usually it just sends my mind into a spiral of burning contempt for human kind.

I can never get past the noise in my mind and, therefore, have a hard time trying to meditate.

Then you're not meditating on the right thing. And by "meditating on", I don't mean "smoke weed". :-)

Meditation is for most people, in the same way as prayer is for most people, is about closing your eyes, sitting comfortably and focussing your mind on something, even if that something is as nothing as possible [which is a great wording].

So for me, the two things are same, whether it's God, your breathing, your chakra's or that new laptop you are thinking about, it's all the same.

PS, Neuvo, I didn't understand your post about signs and knowledge...perhaps you can explain it another way...it just didn't make sense to me.

You know, evolution didn't end with us growing thumbs ~ Bill Hicks

I turn off the light, put my headphones on and let the kundalini uncoil. Meditation, IMHO, is just being connected to w/e (music/a thought/the visuals from the music/breathing) so much that your perceptions are focused on those energies, and not the outside world, to bring forth what's normally unconscious. I suggest the three songs Disposition, Reflection, and Triad, by Tool. It's really all one epic song and it stimulates each of the chakras so that you feel the energy going up and down your spine. Lateralus by them is amazingly crazy as well. Actually all of Tool utilizes this concept and so is a 'Tool' for our collective evolution.

And for me personally, weed is a helpful catalyst but not necessary.

"And you will come to find
that we are all one mind
capable of all that's
imagined and all conceivable" ~MJK

interesting... i agree that spiritual knowledge isn't something that can be forced on you, but i do think that having conversations with people can get things moving in your mind.

heh, i just read a book called "Ishmael" by daniel quinn. it starts with a newspaper ad: "Teacher seeks pupil, must have an earnest desire to save the world."

this reminds me of that. i should go check the paper, you never know...

I heard that the Kundalini energy is soooo powerful, that most spontaneous human combustions are caused by people who accidently kick start their Kundalini energy, but don't have the training or chakra preperation to handle the upshoot.

Basically this is the same nonsense every religion and spiritual Gura spouts to every wide eyes wannabe...yes, bad things can happen to you if you don't follow these teachings, could be hell, could be bursting into flames, could be psychic attack...better by this book..

Come one people, the coffee is right there....the only energy worth thinking about is the energy of attention and interest. If you are fully interested in what is going on around you, you will not get tired in the same way as if you are bored. These are simple things, not abstract ancient techniques.

I'd be most interested in hearing about how you healed yourself with energy? By that I take it you mean some type of special energy work, like Reiki, and not just concentrating on getting better? Like paying attention, having a strong interest in getting better.

That is an interesting idea, entrainment eh? Never heard it called that before, still, mothers healing kisses have been called many things over the years.

What is your experiences with this stuff Nuovo? The theory is all well and good, it sounds solid enough if you are willing to accept certain truths, but say I was a sceptic [which I am not] can you tell me a personal story that would perhaps convince me?

I'll trade you a tale for a tale, hows that?

I once, when I was invovled with a Reiki healing group, which I later left for moral reasons, was asked to get up at the healing night and help out as they were short on hothands. Being just a student I was nervous, but I agreed and did my thing. A young women came over to me and lay down on the therapy bed. She said she'd never had Reiki before was just trying it for a laugh, and that there was nothing wrong with her in particular. She relaxed and I followed the hand patterns I'd been shown. When I had my hands on her shoulders I began to get shooting pains in my left hand, which stopped when I moved away from that area. The next strange thing I felt was a slight pain in my heart when i had my hands over her chest. The rest of the session was pretty normal, lost of heat etc. So I finish and she sits up smiling. I asked her how it felt and she said it was, that she fell asleep, which is always awesome. I mentioned the pains in my hands and where I'd felt them, and she frowned. Apparently she'd injured her left hand a few weeks ago at work, and it was still giving her problems, and she had just recently split up from her boyfriend, and was in alot of emotional pain.

Weird eh? Perhaps coicedence, or perhaps A JEDI POWER!!

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