Bringing back punishment in schools

Disrespectful teenagers are beginning to bug the hell out of me - Forget what the 'do gooders' say about PC. Bring back a good smacking in schools for bad behaviour and lets get some respect back into society at fundemental level. Discuss.

hahaha--lol--well ya teenagers can be like a shit sometimes--i myself is one --sometimes--lol--

well since this is the present--not like past--horrible teachers--lol--

but if u teach them in the private school--you can smack them anitime you want--lol

--um--i'm not sure what am i writting ok--so don't mind

Actually, The school my children go to reserves the right to spank as a last resort. At the beginning of the school year, a note is sent out stating that fact and we, as parents, have the right to accept or reject it.

When a spanking is called for, certain steps have to be done before that spanking occurs:

1] The child is sent to the priciples office
2] The parent is notified
3] A conference with parent, student, and teacher is scheduled
4] Two swats are administered.

At the conference, after the swats, the students, parents, and teachers state their grievences to the principle who administered the swats. Also, this is when the student is either suspended and sent home or have 'in school ' detention, or leaving the swats as the only action taken.

Needless to say, with all the hassle, not alot of swats are given.

Jeannie

hmmm im one of those people constantly gettin yelled at teachers so i say oh no!!!

And I'm beginning to get bugged by people who insist that teens are completely disrespectful.

I also think it's completely ridiculous you think physical punishment should be brought into school.

Well first off, you should take the chance to actually look and see which teenagers are the disrespectful ones, or when they are disrespectful. And you'd see that it's usually when adults treat us like little kids or we are completly inferior in every single way.

That's when some (not all) of us act disrespectful. Treat us with respect and we'd treat you with the same.

And besides a lot of all this 'teens are disrespectful' stuff depends on your point of view. Because a lot of the stuff older people have said is disrespectful I personally don't view that way, and others my age don't.

And it all depends on how the teachers at school talk to us and how our parents do and other adults.

Honestly, if someone took my little girl or boy and spanked them, I'd be pissed. Not that I'm anti-spanking/punishment, but I am the mother and that would be my job, not the teacher or principal. Especially since I may not know the person in charge so well, and I would not want them touching my child inappropriately in private places. That is 100% personal, and if someone even dared to do that, I would take my child out of that school and press charges.

I do agree, however, that certain things must be done to "teach them a lesson", pardon the pun. Many teenagers are very direspectful and need to be disciplined severly, but it shouldn't be physical. That's just telling them that physical violence is the only way to solve a problem. And besides, with all of the fights that go on these days, a little smack on the ass isn't going to do anything.

Sorry for swearing, but just thinking about a stranger spanking another child really ticks me off.

^ That is cruel in itself. Pure humiliation.

I'm for punishing people when they do some thing wrong and could have easily prevented it. My brother has been suspended, had in school suspensoin, yada, yada, ya, and I don't think it's really that effective on all teens. I'm not sure physicall punishment would be right, but really, taking a kid who hates his teacher, his class mates, and his school OUT OF SCHOOL is like rewarding them, not punishing them.

Sunday school, lunch detentoin, things like that that keep the teen from doing what they want to because they did what they shouldn't is better....

I personally try not to be disrespectfull, but as a teen I can't help but queston authority, and make cocky comments every now and then. I don't think I'd really go as far as to sware at, or touch a adult in a negative way unless I was really offended or really felt threatened....

Some people really do need to learn WHY it's important to respect others, and I don't just mean adults.

I agree, increased levels of punishment in schools should be tolerated. Of course there should still be restrictions, but it's crazy how disrespecftul some students are. I'd like to see some punks be humiliated.

^ I agree, Bob. And something like spanking a child in front of a hundred people wouldn't really matter in a hundred years would it. But, what happens now, in today's world, could effect the future...

Let's suppose that a child was spanked in front of the whole school. This child was treated in the most disrespectful, humiliating(sp) way one could imagine in these times. This humiliation would probubly result in shame, bitterness and hatred. Eventually it becomes so bad that the kid just can't handle it anymore, finds a gun, and takes it into the school, killing all of the teachers that hurt him and all of the kids that laughed, and then kills himself.

Now that may be a little unrealistic, but columbine was a result of a teenage boy who was teased and humiliated on a daily basis, was it not?

The problem that the teachers are having now is that, although, they think disciple should be done at home, It isn't. therefore, the teachers are stuck with unruley children that are disrespectful and uncompliant.

It goes back to the society we live in today. The parents are both gone from the house for the better part of the day working, and when they get home, they are so stressed out from their job, their kids are lost in the cracks. The kids are sent to their rooms to be entertained by the TV, or violent video games. The perfect babysitter. The child doesn't get punished, just pushed out of the parents way. I'm sorry to say, that is why discipline in the home, in this day and age, is almost nonexistant.

I agree with you, Twisted Heart. Parents these days are as bad, or sometimes even worse, than their kids. And the outcome of their children is that they're either quiet, studious and keep to themselves, or they get revege on others for the pain that they suffer at home from a neglective parent. So really, this isn't about punishing children with a smack on the butt, it's about teaching parents to smarten up and be who they are: the parent. The disciplinary, the lover, the mentor. Parents are so caught up in themselves (I'm not talking about all parents, just a lot. There are still some very good parents out there) that they ignore their children. Either that, or they desire to be "cool" parents and let their kids run wild and do whatever they want, which can actualyl be mroe damaging in itself.

Donald:

Yes I was a supply teacher in the worst imaginable inner city schools, where, as Sluvious puts it, the guys talk like they've been in prison (mostly) and the girls act like molls (sparingly). You only have to have a hand full of these in each class and you end up with a power struggle and nothing gets taught. Detention is the only punishment the teacher can offer them. Forget that. Meanwhile in the shool where I worked staff were wasting time chasing pupils around the school who had bunked off lessons - they literally were playing hide and seek with the teachers. One teacher was assulted by a pupil and he was back in school within 3 weeks taunting the teacher and acting all tough.

I would get told to f*** off about three or four times a day in certain schools where pupils simply refused to be on task and fought in the class or just disrupted it for a laugh... so yes at this point punishment should be brought immediatly back and parents should reinforce this at home. Simple as. Children need to know their limitations and the position they hold: which is a child. When this position breaks down a smack quikly reestablishes the hierachy - all animals do this to their young.

I agree.
dead on.

Matt:

Niether cause or effect are being dealt with by the do-gooding psychologists whose work works wonders if the childs or parents IQ is high enough to understand what's on offer. If not, forget it.

In Australia Corporal Punishment is not used in any schools that I am aware of....sure I would like to beat some of my peers as well but we are not animals, I mean a large part of teens not behaving in schools relates alot back to their home lives... if anything parents are the ones who need the hitting for raising such ignorant spoilt brats....but what can you do....
~peace out~

P.s. there's always the unforgivable abuse of power that many are over whelmed by...violence is not the answer...don't bring wars into our schools.

considering now if you even hit your child, they can file for abuse. i highly doubt they will allow punishment back into schools.

I don't get how people could hate teachers. They're helping you prepare for your future. They give up their life basically just so that you can have one when you're older. I agree that some teachers are really nasty for no reason. They should be fired. But there are those who are very devoted to their students and want to see them succeed. Teachers are hard because they care, not because they don't. And if you're in trouble, think about why you might be in trouble, instead of just calling the teacher stupid. You probubly deserved it.

"think your smarter becasue your older and have a phd, stuff dont mean crap man"

^ Um, maybe you don't know this, but the reason they have a PhD is because they went to SCHOOL. Yes, that's right. And they went through the same things you did and probubly even harder because these days the people in charge are way too easy

Well that's my rant for today. Lol. I'm not a teacher, in fact I'm still in school, but I don't think people realize how much we need teachers and how some people don't appreciate them.

I like most of my teachers. The only ones I don't like are the ones who pick favorites and ignore most of their other students. I think I tend to like strict teachures more, they provide more structure, and motivate me more then the classes where you can goof off all hour, often making it hard not to get destracted and still finish your work. Chellenging classes make me feel like I've acomplished some thing at the end, easy classes make me feel like it was just an easy class I don't even think about it after I get out of the class.

I admire teachers for being so patient with their students, for being such great leaders and teaching us stuff that often goes past their subject and into basic life, for at least sounding like they care about their students success, and trying to help them reach their potential, even if they don't want to admit they have any. Teachers form the minds of their students, make them able to make their own choices wisely....

You can probably guess that I've had a lot of good teachers, and for the most part you'd be right. The only strict teacher I didn't like was in the 6th grade, and she just, ugh, I guess weirded me out with the way she did things...

Well I like the way it is, nice and illegal

There are text books to study in teacher training that cover classroom management. Unfortunately, these books deal with mild to medium disruption.
They're in your library. Take them out and have a look.

Let me say this: kids get the wrong impression when they are allowed to be verbally abusive to teachers/adults without any real reprimand. This opens the floodgates to more deprived behaviour in the future - it also fuels the ego of the child making him/er feel that they are something 'big' or 'tough' and that this behaviour makes them gain credibilty and respect amongst their friends.

So, yes, I still maintain that once they step out of line with the abuse they should be given a healthy whack!

if a teacher ever hit me ide hit back aint no teacher gonna touch me some of our teachers are dirty and would come up with any excuss to hit us plus if you ask me i wasa child that was beaten when i was home a victim of child abuse and if i went to school and got hit i would explode on someone you treat badness with kindness and love to melt the ice around a teen or kids heart not make it colder by making them think they are hated by everyone because everyone hates them peace out sorry but this conv.is really deep i would write more but i better not...oh and if some teacher hit my kids when i have some one day ill guarantee you that i would be goin to jail its my job to spank not a teacher send them to the office ....but im tottally against this im glad america dont go wit this

So basically you're saying ashley, that kids can just come to school and be total shits and disrupt everything and abuse the staff and we the staff go: aww, bless their little cotton socks, we're gonna spend three terms of abuse and disruption in an effort to see whats making this timebomb terror tick?

If I had my way I'd tell you this: You are here to learn. I'm the teacher, the adult in this relationship. We can fall out and disagree, but if you try to abuse me or my lesson you will get whacked. simple as.

A smack on the hand is one thing, but I think getting spanked by an adult other than your own parent is ethically wrong. Your totally invading a persons space, and a private part none-the-less. I know that sounds wierd, but seriously, it is.

But on the other hand, my art teacher was talking to my friend and I yesterday, saying that she was thinking of keeping some tennis balls on her desk so that whenever she told someone to be quiet and they didn't listen, she's throw one at their heads. We both thought it sounded like a great idea :D

Lovely Bones- Like I said earlier, I believe it is up to the parent to disciplin the child, but in most cases, it isn't getting done. Therefore, the teachers are getting stuck with disrespectful kids who doesn't give two hoots for authority.

If the parents don't use disciplin, then it has to fall on the teachers to instill some order. Sometimes, swats are the only option left.

As a kid, I had a teacher who kept a bucket of water on her shelf. If she caught a kid sleeping in class, she would pour the bucket of water on the kid. Do you think that is right? I didn't and neither did the kids' parents. She said it was an alternitive to swats. I thought it was done to humiliate. The same with the tennis balls. they may not hurt, but unless her aim was excellent, she may miss and hit someone else. Personally, I don't think I would like to have tennis balls bounced off my head at any given moment.

I wouldn't either, but apparently it works. If you knew the kids in my class or the context with which my teacher said it you would've understood.

And. if you've read my posts earlier, you would've found that I agreed with you.

Let me say this: they don't have this problem in Japan or most of china - why do you think that is?

It's a difficult matter, that of allowing teachers to hit their students. Although it might help, to a degree, it also teaches violence. I'm not saying that it might not help, in some cases, but teachers could go overboard, hitting for any misdemeanor... and there is a thin line between being "spanked" and being "hit" or "slapped."
Just my humble opinion.

//T.L.//

I know theres a lot of unruly kids out there,but I think it has to be up to the parents to use physical decipline,after all we are the ones that love them, If a teacher ever hits one of mine she better be prepared to hit me next, As for the gangsta type, I wouldn`t advise hitting them either, none I know are going to stand still while some teacher hits them, I work with them ,gaining their respect is the answer not MORE violence.

^ I agree with basically everything you had to say, but as for the respect thing: letting them run free and do whatever they want isn't going to make them respect you. It'll make them take advantage of you and run you over. There has to be rules in order for the class to be civilized, and that will make them see that you are in control and know what you are doing. That's whats going to get their respect. But I think that a lot of teachers take students respect for granted and mistreat them, thinking that they're blind. This can make the student bitter and cause them to rebel. There needs to be mutual respect, not only in the classroom, but in the home and workplace as well.

i saw the title of this post and the first thing that came to my head was "hell no"

They bug the hell out of me too.
I wish they would get smacked.
But not by their teachers, by their parents.
to raise an ass for a child would be quite embarassing.

I get hit/smacked/spanked (not on the ass anymore ) all the time at home, so my toes are behind the line.

Teenagers who talk back to teachers or give an attitude deserve some smacks.

Personally, I don't mind if it was brought back into schools, only because I would never be smacked.

But with all the complaints from idiotic parents about having their child smacked...
Multiple phone calls from obnoxious adults screaming, "omgoodness! you hit my baby! how dare you!..etc."

with all the spoiled brats in todays world...

I agree 100% with who ever started this. You're right. Kids are starting to be very disrespectul. I think the main reson is no self disciplin, or the paretns aren't punishing there kids. Either those two or the parent could just not care. Parents nowadays are starting to get divorced, abusive, caught up in there money, and ect. They forget about the kid that needs it's teachings and diciplin in order to be a respectful well-behaving kid.
I totally agree that they should put that back.
C'mon kids. JUST LISTEN. Grow up.

And aslo,
Resentment_Rising,
have you ever thought the teachers have to be a b*tch for you to be quiet or to listen? Most teenagers "hate" there teachers because they don't want to do homework or they're lazy. Either or because they want to spend there time talking to there friends and acting like a fool other than buckling down to buisness and straighten up. They look down on us, I don't really blame them. Most teenagers nowadays are a discrase(sp?). I'm a teenager myeself, but I've noticed the behavoir that they act. Teachers are there to teach us, they shouldn't have to put up with our crap and nonsense. So think why you hate teachers so much? Do you have any idea what we put them through with being so disprespectful?

I`m a parent and I work in a behavioral school, I wasn`t saying that I don`t think there should be decipline in school,I just don`t think it should be the physical kind, suspension, detension or even being expelled but as for physical I think that should only be administered out of love which I think means parents. I would never allow anyone to hit my child ,I feel its my God given duty to protect them. also to teach them to respect others.

i do agree that some teenagers are very disrespectful, just looking at a couple kids in my class, but sometimes its not always the teenagers fault
when my mom and I get into fights, sometimes she will be the one to apologize first saying that she was the one that got mad or something like that
and sometimes it is me
but the point I'm trying to make is that adults have faults too, and its not really fair that they just automatically blame teenagers just because we're teenagers
and some teenagers aren't disrespectful like others are
and by bringing back physical punishment, it might make the problem worse
teach people violence, and they'll grow up to be abusive parents and violent people
the foundation of a violent society
I agree that some forms of punishment should be more strict, but I don't think that hard-core physical punishment would be the best choice.

Smacking people is even more disrespectful that what the teenager has done. Hitting doesn't solve a problem--it makes it worse. Hitting is just another word for abuse. I totally disagree with you, not because I'm a teenager, but because the power to abuse is the power to destroy lives of younger people.

And besides, if you can't put up with a kid, then don't teach.

Actually it ticks me off that the schools do not administer a few good licks! I have offered to go up there and bust my childs rump when he gets out of hand and was told that I have to leave the property in order to tan his hide.

Of course I yanked my son up marched him out the doors and around thee corner took a paddle and gave him three swats then marched him right back to class. You know my son was solid gold for the rest of the year.

If a parent gets a phone call stating that the child is acting up and the school cannot do anything then the parent needs to either go up there and discipline their child immediately or call somone they trust to go do it!

Wow Sherry.

I think if they do all students will be punished. And those who do alot of bad things would be punished but those who just did a little thing wrong and haven't been bad before get's punished too and idk. It just doens't seem fair to see a good worker in school being punished for doing just a little thing wrong.

I know how those people feel. In Wisconsin, when I was maybe in 1st,2nd and even 3rd grade, it was against the law to punish students. But my principle didn't care. If I just did one bad thing, even talk back to the teacher saying 'I didn't understand what you said' (I am hard of hearing) the principle would punish me but never the other students who swore and fought with other students. They never got anything but just a 'warning'. To me it wasn't fair. I got soap in my mouth (and had to carry it around) plus there was only one other person who got punished too but he was bipolar, we would get smacked with a belt and wouldnt even be able to have lunch or breakfast. But you see my used-to-be principle foudn my weakness if he gave me dention, I loved to read and he took all my books away and I wasn't allowed to carry books around.

So you see some principles, if their was punishment coming back into schools, students who were different or the students who the principle didn't like they would punish them and not the others.

So you see, what I was trying to get to is that punishment back in school can be a good or bad thing.

I agree that students are getting away with a lot more than I ever did, but I guess that I cannot hold it against them, I was once a teenager...

Punishment might scare the teenagers away though... that would be bad... I think. I don't know much about different schooling programs anymore.