Give Me a Freaking Break!

I read today where California and Florida have suspended executions after Fla. botched a lethal injection. Lethal Injection being much more a "humane" way to execute. Humane? so what if its humane, why do we have to be humane about it? I want the stupid a$$es to suffer miserably when they are executed. Like George Carlin once said, Line them up at halftime of Monday Night Football and drop their sorry butts in a vat of vegetable oil, heated preferably. these killers get loaded up with drugs so they feel no pain when they die. I am sure that is comforting to the victim`s families. Give me a break already!

Amen

Sluv, I appreciate your question, but it`s not about being "better", I`m tired of everyone having a bleeding heart for these people. Death by a firing squad?..oooh..real harsh, hanging, yeah you might hurt for a couple of minutes, but big deal. You need to inflict some kind of harsh measure on those killers. I think at least some of these sesnseless murderers would think twice if they thought they would experience the eye for an eye treatment.

I used to be against the death penalty, I felt that it would be better to let them live with the guilt of what they had done. But after extensive study on the matter, I came to the realization that most of the serial killers and mass murderes sitting on death row are without conscience. They are just taking up space and tax payers money. They are sick individuals who, if given the chance to get out, would do it all over again. For those, The death penalty would be the only humane couse for all involved.

Ok first of all They're people just like us.
They've been through a lot of crap. Yes what they did was wrong. But it's proven that most people who commit a crime they've either been taught that as a young child, witnessed it as a child, or have been a victim in a crime. Once they get into prison, they have learned there lesson. But I think the policemen have gotten a little carried away with there job. And about 5% of those being totured are in prison for soemthing they didn't REALLy do. Execution is not right. How would you feel if you were kicked out of your house for doing something as small as a lie. Well they may have murdered someone, but most the time they've had something against that person. But really, they're people just like us. They're ust dangerous. That's why they're were they are. Ithink it's wrong to kill them for there action. Keep it to prison. If they continue to cause a problem then I don't see why you wouldn't exicute them, but if they're just to serve there time, don't make it worse for them.

Our country is telling people it's bad to kill.
So we kill people for killing people. Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
Death penalty costs money too, just like every other thing on this planet.
and if you wanted to make the person suffer for killing someone or whatever horrible crime they did, wouldn't it be better to just spend their life in prison?
Why take them out of their misery by killing them?

omg i agree.. if people knew that if they broke a law and and they'd get life in jail or tortured then they wouldn't do it, then we;d have less crime in the world and that would be better. i mean but the world wants drama or something.

I thnk the lethal thing would scare people more if they are thinking of commiting a crime.

Life in prison or a smaller sentence they're willing to do it again and say its not bad.

I dunno.

What is a viscious execution but a "senseless murder", done only for the sake of our own pleasure? It may not be "fair" to them, that they made someone suffer, but we can't lower ourselves to their level.

We all agree to live by the rules of society, and besides all the fancy ones about taxes and equity etc, stealing, killing and raping, the big 3 need to be met with strong deterents, and strong punishments for those who knowingly commit those acts.

I do not like the idea of killing someone because they killed someone, because to me, if killing if wrong enough to warrant a punishment, it shouldn't be the same as the crime, that is just not good thinking, it's old fashioned and barbaric. Though of course, easy for me to say sitting comfortably in my home, safe from harm.

The death sentence does not work, other than that fact it kills one person at a time....the murder rate hasn't gone down because of it, not as far as I'm aware, and we all know that crime is higher in area's of low education and poverty, that is a given...so rather than debating whether or not we should keep on killing poeple who kill people, shouldn't we be looking at how we can improve peoples understanding and awareness globally so they won't kill people, and for the most part, won't have any reason to do so.

You will always have violence and death, but if you take away as many social reasons for it as possible, like poverty, rescism etc, what remains should hopefully be cases where the person, without any need, just wanted to kill someone, like a serial killer, and of course, those cases are totally different from a person who was so desperate for money they robbed a shop and shot someone because they struggled.

An old saying when it comes to hunting is you kill it you eat it. I think we should make the same standards for the U.S. If a person is convicted of murdering someone they should be forced to eat the person they killed, brains and all. I bet the murder rate would drop fast, really fast.

Im all against death penalty or killing of any kind

I am completely against capital punishment and killing of any kind and I agree with sluvious. yes these people have committed heinous crime but I just don't believe that killing stops murder. Wiping blood away with more blood doesn't stop anything. And I know people might think this is ridiculous, but I don't even think Saddam Hussein should have been put to death. I think he should have had to live a horrible life in solitary confinement with nothing but cement walls for his comfort. Although sometimes I do think terrorists deserve it, I can't just be anti-capital punishment except for certain people. The only thing I have for capital punishment is that it somewhat helps the problem of prison overcrowding but I deem it completely unethical and hypocritical of our judicial system.

Whether it be lethal injection or any other sort of death penalty, the same end-result is achieved.

You die.

I think the thought of being at the end of it all, of not living anymore is the real weapon behind the death penalty, not the way they do it. So there is no wrong way to kill someone, no right way either.

^^^I somewhat agree and somewhat disagree. There is NO RIGHT way (in my opinion) to kill someone. Lethal injection, gas chamber, hanging, whatever, it is true, you die, its done, your dead, no more. But the fact of the matter is that it seems completely unethical for the government to not care that criminals are suffering from a lack of precaution taken in imposing their death. Yes, I know they have caused much suffering, but the fact is if they're dying, what more do you want? They're going to be dead.

"An old saying when it comes to hunting is you kill it you eat it. I think we should make the same standards for the U.S. If a person is convicted of murdering someone they should be forced to eat the person they killed, brains and all. I bet the murder rate would drop fast, really fast."

I agree :) but somehow I think there would be a few objections? Lol. I agree with the death sentence. Up until the last few hundred years that's how it has always been. Old saying 'eye for an eye' why not life for a life? We need it here in Australia. And they sterilize the needles.... What the???

My Grandfather was an amazing man, most likely the wisest person I ever met.

One day in my first year at highschool we had to discuss the death penalty for our spiritual social class. I went home and asked him what he thought about it.

He was sitting on the back steps watching the sunset, drinking tea and he smiled and said

"Well ma lad, I never had to take a belt to you or your little brother, though I would have if you'd been bad enough. You were raised up right in a house were being right was easy, and I've got lots of belts, but I never had to use them"

He always spoke like that to me when I asked him something. I went off and thought about that for a long time and didn't understand it until years later.

To me the death penalty is a penalty intself for our poorly structured society. It's an unfortunate necessity because of the way things work out.

Given all the pressures and inhibitions and rules and confusions we take as granted, supported in every way by those in power, the death penalty is needed to combat a poor system.

Poverty and social injustice, two things that everyday lead to murders, two things that need not exist were society structured a little bit better. If you take away the causes of murder, the need for people to do it, then you need never kill them for it.

You keep the belt but don't have to use it.

Kevin, that was extremely well put.

Musicality, how many people do you know of that take joy in eating people. My guess is the majority, 95 to 97 percent, of convicted murderers are not going to want to eat there victims; thus deterring them from murdering someone to begin with.

These types of rules aren't made for the minority of those who break them; they are made for the majority of those who break them. The tiny exceptions can't be included or we would never reach a compromise.

Who cares about the dead guy, he is dead. There needs no more emphasis placed upon the body because it means nothing. Would you care if someone ate you after you were dead? No, and neither would I. Why? because we are dead, we have no opinions or thoughts after our death.

The point isn't to reach a utopic society. Our social structure is based upon the types of government that Aristotle came up with in his philosophies. If you read what he wrote you realize that it isn't about equality or satisfying each and every person. It isn't about making sure that they have everything they need or trying to reach each individual. It is about common good. What provides the common good, the punishment that best deters the majority of people from killing each other. Obviously the death penalty doesn't so we mut think of something else.

"The point isn't to reach a utopic society...What provides the common good, the punishment that best deters the majority of people from killing each other." That is a very strong and valid point. but when you give up on the salvation of society through peaceful means...you validate war and violence to create goodness. And this is a personal opinion, a very strong one at that, but I simply do not believe that bloodshed will stop bloodshed. It makes no sense.

I never said bloodshed is good. I said we should make people eat their vctims. There is no bloodshed there, the person is already dead.

and what exactly does that promote? cannibalism? looks like we're really making our way towards a better society...

I think it promotes a better society by deterring people from killing each other.--This idea is entirely fasicuos by the way, or however you spell the word.

The point is this: there are consequences to a person's actions. With full knowledge of what those consequences are people go forth with their actions anyways. One of the consequences of murder in these united states is the death penalty. Fully aware of this many people kill others anyways; therefore the death penatly is not to blame. These people are the only ones who can be held responsible.

If anybody else has a better idea for either punishment, one that both deters and chastises that isn't the death penalty, please state your idea.
My idea was making the person eat his victim (actually it was my friend's). It both acts as a deterrent and is a punishment, making the person revisit their victim. You all know what I mean, like sticking a dog's nose in his own mess afterwards while saying bad dog. It makes the dog know he has done something wrong and keeps him from wanting to do it again.

I'm sure that where they are going will be

punishment enough....

plus could you imagine how damaging it can be to
other people's minds, who have to execute by
other ways then lethal injection.

Besides death penalty wherever legal, is a last resort in a court of law, most serious offenders spend their sentence in jail, now that I think would be more torture then to die.

(make it noted that I don't support/believe in capital punishment)

I don't think leaving a person in jail is good either. Now I have to pay for that person's well-being and sustenance while he saits in a block for breaking the law. Is it my fault that he broke the law? No. By giving someone all their freetime in a concrete to mull over the consequences of their actions doesn't mean that their freedom has been taken away. I have less freedoms than some people in jail. No one thus far, other than Kevin and myself, has proposed a new system of punishment; therefore, we either stay with the same one, or change to either mine or Kevin's. But Kevin's needs a little more specefied clarification.