Death Penalty

Well personally I don't agree with the death penalty, killing another to get "revenge" shall I say for another's death. It's just wrong, someone has to inject the lethal anidote, or push the botton for the electric chair; so theartically that person is killing another person, so they theartically speaking should be killed too,

"both fully intended to kill their victim, and is likely to do it again to someone else if given the opportunity."

^If what you say is correct, then like I said above, thearetically the one who kills the criminal should be punished as well.

I happen to agree with a life sentance imprisonment without parole for the murders and killers, the high crimes sort of speak.

Life Imprisonment with parole is for the not as hardcore criminals, ones that kill but kill because of instinct, etc.

That is my outlook on it.

Peace, Joe

If I recall in your other post, "Without parole, it's just torturing them until they die of natural causes, which is easily going to be a far worse crime than anything the criminal has done."

I think that sums it up pretty good, although they are still alive, they have to live in a cell knowing that they will die of natural causes, possible rape victims in the bathrooms etc., fights in the prison, etc.

Just because they receive food doesn't mean they are living their life the way they want.

Personally, I don't believe in the death penalty.

If the person who committed the crime gets the death penalty, then they don't have to live with the guilt of what they have done. And its an easy way out for them.

They don't face up to what they have done. And it doesn't give the person a chance to change, if they are going too.

:Sarah:

lmfao, Liz have you ever been inside an actual prison?

If a dog bites a person, the dog can be put down.

And what has the dog down? Just left a scar on someone.

lol, well I don't know what the prisons in Canada are like, but I have also spent time in a prison, not for any crimes. I spent 1 week in prison, and wrote about it, for a class I was taking at the time. What an experience that was.

no not one of the ones at a police station, a real prison. When I first turned 18, I wanted to become a cop, took some classes, and one of the classes, made everyone stay in a prison for 1 week and write about.

I haven't spent time in a prison, but I have visted one and talked to people who were in there.
And visited the Old Melbourne Gaol. That would of been horrible. Back then, there was a three year old who was put in there because he couldn't look after himself. I mean its a three year old. How is he suppose to know how to look after himself.

That was a good experience for me. And I learnt a lot.

Well, I would continue to give you feedback, but I think you want to hear it from other people besides just me.

This is embarrassing, but I agree with Joe on essentially every point he made. Life in prison is torture, no matter what "benefits" you have. You are treated like a rat in a cage. Sure, you have free food, a home, some basic entertainment...but that's it. It isn't a choice. You are trapped for year after year after year after year after year after year after year, and about 50 more after that give or take a decade, hahaha. Anywho, life in prison sounds like torture to me. I would choose death over that any day. I guess with the parole, each year would almost seem worth it, but that is still awful. Geeeeez. Kill me, please. In other words...big criminals (serial killers, pedaphiles, etc) deserve to be punished, they do not deserve death. Those sadistic freaks probably would ENJOY the pain of being electrocuted or what not. That is liberation within punishment, not punishment.

Besides, isn't the point of punishing a criminal, enforcing that killing other human beings is a terrible crime? The exucutioner is intentionally killing, is he not? Why would anyone in their right mind WANT to be putting humans down like broken down horses? That's sick. No human has the right to kill another human. Period.

"A lion has attacked and killed a boy. The bystanders grab their guns and begin firing at the lion. The lion sees an escape path and takes it. The lion finds himself in a locked cage, with a never ending supply of food, water, vet care, comforts for the rest of his life.

Does the lion feel "punished"? No, he feels like he escaped DEATH! He has survived! He may spend the rest of his life trying to get out of the cage...but he will live!!! That is not "worse" punishment...that is VICTORY!"

The lion was not intententionally cruel in killing the boy. Only humans kill other humans/animals for pleasure. Animals do not do that. The boy appeared to be a threat to the lion, or he appeared to be easy dinner. If the lion is to be punished, I think any wild animal would deserve death over confinement. Forcing a wild animal to live in a cage is like ripping its heart out and stomping on it. Lions were meant to be free, they are not dependent, inbred, overpopulated housecats. Blah. What irresponsible parents were letting their child romp around a pride of lions? THEY are the ones deserving of punishment.

Yes, the death penalty should be used more often. I believe that if more than 3 accounts of rape or murderfis charged, then it should be an automatic death penalty. But that's just me!

I think the death penalty is just like a short cut to lifetime in prison. I mean, you die you can't come back right? As in the ones sentenced to life will never be free unless they're dead. Kinda weird, but whatever. I personally do not agree with the death penalty, because it'll just make the person that sentenced the penalty another murderer and that's just like stooping to something as low as the person you're trying to punish. It's like trying to fight fire with fire. You might not be the one that pulled the trigger, but you are the one that caused the trigger to be pulled and that's not any better, so I say, unless you destroyed the hopes and whatever of an entire country (Saddam) and killed millions of innocent people, you don't really need the axe. Just lifetime of being behind the bars to think about what you did wrong. I just think the whole ordeal is gruesome and I just don't see the point of it. How ironic isn't it? If you kill a murderer or whatever, you're just as bad as him/her.

Or you could give the criminal the option. He/she chooses life in prison, kill the sucker. He/she chooses death, put 'em in prison. You have to be tricky however, or else the secret will break loose, and criminals will figure out the stricky tricky. Hm...

[quote]I fully support the death penalty for really severe crimes, like murder, etc.[/quote]
For severe crimes like the sexually motivated murder of a nine year old girl? The case I refer to is R v Kisko (1976). An interesting case, Mr Kisko was found guilty of the sexually motivated murder of Lesley Molseed and (because the UK isn't a barbaric country) was sentenced to Life Imprisonment... Without a shadow of a doubt he would have been sentenced to Death had the UK still continued the practice. However, it later turns out (much later after having served 16 years) at appeal that it would have been impossible for Mr Kisko to have committed the crime. Sperm had been found on the girls underwear (hence the sexually motivated aspect of the crime) and Mr Kisko's body was incapable of producing sperm... Ergo he was INNOCENT... and thats the problem, once the State starts killing INNOCENT people it makes a mockery of Justice. And for that reason alone the Death Penalty is abhorrent... Sir Edward Heath posed the question during the Death Penalty debates that occurred in the UK in the run up to Abolition "Are YOU willing to be the INNOCENT person put to death?". ...

Innocent people are killed by murder and there killers deserve the pentaly for their victim is dead and personally I think they should suffer the same

^^ In that statement you are saying innocent people are being murdered, well In the same sence, Innocent people are still being murdered by the justice system if they are not guilty.

Plus, The people who inject the leatal injection or push that button for the chair, they are thearetically murdering a person with the intent to kill them. If the justice system is fair then thearetically speaking the person who intentially kills the Criminal should be punished as well, after all they are murderers as well, They are killing someone with the intent to kill and they know what they are doing.

Regardless of if it's their Job or not, They are still killing with the intent to Kill, they know what they are doing, and they are doing it with the government behind them. Personally I feel it is not right, killing someone to get revenge for what they did or killing them to "punish" them for what they have done. How is that a punishment? They are cheating punishment.

Like Marsha said, "I think the death penalty is just like a short cut to lifetime in prison. I mean, you die you can't come back right? As in the ones sentenced to life will never be free unless they're dead.

Peace, Joe

How would I feel? I'd feel devistated and sad, But that is just life, we have to deal with it as it comes, take it one step at a time.

Why would the person be laughing if they where in Prison for Life? I know I wouldn't be laughing if I was in prison for Live.

Hell you said you where in Prison for 2 days, and scared out of your mind, you even had a guard guarding your cell. Imagine if you where in prison for life with no Guard guarding your cell, worring day to day if you'll be a rape victim when you go to the bathrooms, thinking about killing yourself in prison, having to live with what you did the rest of your life. Honestly I know I wouldn't want to live like that, and I am sure a lot of others wouldn't either. By getting the Death Penalty, you are getting rid of their problems by just killing them.

Peace, Joe

Haha, Liz, I said give them the option and then give them the opposite of what they want! But it was a joke, a crappy joke. Pardon my lack of seriousness in the last post.

Yes, killing people is a job. A government job. That does not make it right. Hitmen are just doing their job afterall, right? Death is an easy way out, I'd rather see one of my family's or friend's killers be raped repeatedly in prison by huge men. I'd rather see them be beaten by the guards. I'd rather them live in seclusion in a little cell, left to their thoughts. I'd like to visit them every once in a while and just stare them in the eyes. I wouldn't want my friend/family's killer dead, unless by my own hands.

Plus, what's-his-face up above, is right. You could possibly be killing an innocent person.

Hmm...I miss the good ol' days. Haha, the days long before I was even an idea. Crimes and revenge--left to the people. Someone rapes me, I'd like to hunt them down in a month, and shoot them in the kneecaps. I don't want any court deciding what my rapist deserves. I'd want to take it into my own hands. Like self-defense, but less immediate. Ok, now I'm rambling about the impossible.

I believe in it.
Lets say someone murders a child off the street....they should get killed for that.

[quote]I believe in it.
Lets say someone murders a child off the street....they should get killed for that.[/quote]
But thats just it.. Stefan Kisko WAS convicted of murdering a child off the street and he was INNOCENT... Once the State judicially kills ONE innocent person then that negates the whole process... Again, as Sir Edward Heath asked "Are YOU willing to be the innocent put to death?"

^very interesting Quote from Sir Edward Heath