What would it take do you think?

Religion/science debate...REMIX!

What would it take do you think, in terms of scientific discoveries, for religious people to finally admit they have it wrong?

full human cloning? Nano tech making humans immortal? Space exloration discoving alien life?

And, on the other side, what miracle or, shift in awareness do you think would be needed for scientists to admit, religion is actually truthful and worthy of serious respect and research?

A genuine miracle? The 2nd coming...some real proof of the bibles truth?

This isn't really debate about how true religion is, or how worrying scientific advancement without moral checking can be, just...well we've all had 100 page + debates on religion on this website. Nothing really changes from them, I doubt anyone is converted to the opposite side.

What would it take for you to reverse your views?

I'd like both sides of the opinion. I'll post my later.

I dunno, man. I think you could throw just about any science into the mix, or just about any miracle, and still not manage to convince everybody. From what I've seen, spiritual faith isn't generally lost because someone picks up a science periodical - it's lost in personal experience, same way it's strengthened. I think this sort of conversion either way is difficult because many people (like me) don't view the two sides as mutually exclusive or threatening to each other.

I dont see the validity in this post but i sorta agree

Tell those oddballs god might exist. but science tells us more. if god created man who created god?

If the jist of your question was has religion ever been wrong, my answer would be yes. Faith should not oppose reason and reason should not oppose faith. The big bang theory originated with a priest
Monsignor Georges Henri Joseph douard Lema®tre ( lemaitre.ogg (help·info) July 17, 1894 June 20, 1966) was a Belgian Roman Catholic priest, honorary prelate, professor of physics and astronomer at the Catholic University of Louvain. He sometimes used the title Abb© or Monseigneur.

Lema®tre was the first scientist to propose what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin of the Universe, which he called his 'hypothesis of the primeval atom'.

If by chance mankind discovers immortality on its own or is taught it by an alien ...love thy nieghbor may prove more useful than nuke thy nieghbor

I have not witnessed the creation of any matter, yet I believe matter exists

God aways was and always will be ....a healing force is good whether it originated in faith or reason

I suppose the devil is in the detail
In a universe void of light or positive energy it would seem that darkness would prevail

I think that is what britt is getting at

I was wondering why you didn't post a response in the Illuminati thread, or maybe you just didn't see what happened next.

Anyway, I think that the only way to make religion disappear is to make faith and belief disappear. Because people don't enter religion because they believe in the stories or claims of religion about the world. They believe because they would like to believe that there is a higher being watching over us and protecting us. So you need prove god doesn't exist to prove religion is wrong.

Science is continuously changing, so there are no facts in life... every discovery is a step forward for humanity. Someday I think religion and science will be on the same side, and that will be the only way for scientists to be convinced in religion.

Kudos to Britt and sibs, for their on topic responses to my question.

I think the rest of you are getting sidetracked.

For me, for religion to take the place of science in my mind, as the best source of knowledge and wisdom about the world, morality and history, it would have to have within it, more truth and accuracy than the current scientific explanations.

Without such startling evidence from religion, I'd have to have, some kind of transcendent experience, something divine and so powerful, all my doubts and questions would be blown away into a awe that needed no such evidence. I used to pray so hard as a child for such an experience, but it never came and I doubt ever will.

As for what advanced Science would need to make to completely replace religion as the main explanation of our origins and purpose...I'm, not sure what else Science needs to do. I mean, people used to think God controlled the weather, science sorted that one out. People used to think God controlled disease, but science discovered germ theory and bacteria's, and there went another religions hold on the way we understand the world.

I think the last hold, and it's slipping very quickly in my eyes, thanks to Pope sanctioned rules about condom use in Africa, and the protection of child abusers...I think the last bastion of religion is moral and spiritual truth about who we are as beings of light...as souls.

Science will expose the truth of that too, and then I don't know where religion will have any hold.

When you find your soul you will know there is a power greater than you.

Religion is not and never will be infallible

I think in order for me to believe in God 100%, unwavering, He would have to present Himself in a magnificent way. Otherwise to me, religion is more of a comfort thing.

Religion and God are not the same, though they should be. The religious authorities damanded that a divine member be put to death.

The Spirit of the Creator lives on in a magnificent way through rebirth daily

Please stay on topic.

This is about posting the reasons you might decide to change your mind, from a more religious to a more scientific, or visa versa...and what that would take.

This is about posting the reasons you might decide to change your mind, from a more religious to a more scientific, or visa versa...and what that would take.
I believe a change of mind envolves a change of heart. I can only imagine how I would react to Close Encounters of the Third Kind. You should have seen how amazed I was with a cordless phone. Technology is great but I have more trouble believing in random infinite possibilities than intelligent design. When people make jokes about the Pope being responsible for the spread of aids I do believe there are people ignorant enough to believe that someone would ignore that fornication is not encouraged by the church yet the church should finace everyones vices. It is sad that so many priest have been accused of giving into unnatural acts, but my conscience guides to lean toward innocent untill proven guilty

Scientist have been bought and sold, but not all science is based on greed
to answer your question directly

If religion were the the opiate of the poeple
I'd like to buy the world some coke and blow it up their nose
Give out free condoms to everyone to make friends of foes

In a nutshell....nothing.

There are some people out there, fanatics mostly, who will never change their beliefs. The spiritual part aside, quite a bit of religion rests heavily on the unknown and often fear of the unknown. Aliens invading Earth? The Almighty has sent us a sign! That's ignorance for you.

But for the *rational* religious people 100% proof would probably be enough, I would think.