Rule #12 - Debate cont'd

Please continue to give us input.

"12. Anyone who brings up a member's past errors that have been dealt with by the mods or anyone who brings up allegations that have been dealt with by the mods for the purpose of harassment or stirring up site drama will be penalized henceforth.

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What do you think of this rule? Should it be revised? Is it fine as is? Should we take it out altogether? Is it relevant to anything recent, and could it be in the future? Do you think it served a positive purpose in the past?

Give us your insight."

Copied from Larry.

"Let's recap, and tell me me if you disagree:
there appears to be a consensus that rule 12 is unneeded & should be deleted;
bringing up past issues for the purpose of harassment is punishable under rules 1 & 8;
historical issues can be important to share if not used to humiliate someone;
arguments and drama are not necessarily bad but need to be checked if they rise to the level of personal attacks;
judges should be nominated, contacted & accept or decline by PM to the mod account;
concerns about persons serving in any position should be shared via PM either to the mod account or to an individual mod."

So far, everyone agrees?

Just for clarification to Hellon,

as I said, Hellon, I always found the inbox full of PMs concerning the rules about the weekly contest voting...
I read them so many times just to make sure Im doing the right thing.

Ah, and now, I got the answer to my question, Jane.. Technically, the rules arent the same. They are revised.

And that's so mcuh betteerrr..

Larry's points seem fair.

Don't understand what Hellon is bothered about.

Well I was shut down midway through my last post as it was so very quickly locked so...now we will carry on here?

Rule 12...the thing that really concerns me about this is...how do normal members know that another member has been chastised for previous errors? Do they get repremanded...should they be repremanded...the only recollection I remember of this was Mike, and Bob got timed out while ddavibb was expelled from the class for ever and...if we ask (not that I have in this particular case) we are told that...another members account cannot be discussed so....I posted my concern about this, because...as a member I have the right to do so and I still don;t know one way or the other whether anything was ever done about it yet....Jane said...after all the posts I've made that she would back this person 100% to be a judge once more....Sorry...I just can't. and...I think I should be allowed to say so...still can't figure out the harrassment side of it? Have never communicated with this member in any way...so it's definately not my pms'that keep them awake at night.

"ane said...after all the posts I've made that she would back this person 100% to be a judge once more....Sorry...I just can't."

Hellon, I'm not saying I agree or disagree with what happened years ago, and I'm not referencing your poem (or whatever a judge thought about it). I'm talking about how the judging system was handled.
I'm confident it won't happen again.
As for the potential judge whom I'd support - I will not pretend to know how any of the judges then feel or felt, or how anyone who came across the thread years ago feels or felt.
I will say, however, that it's in the past and the system is different now. A lot of things are different now.

I'm open to discussing this topic further, but it's bringing too much focus to a specific situation rather than how rule #12 is applicable. So far, it seems we're all in agreement that it can be done away with because it's too subjective.

Thanks for pitching in, Abby.

LP, I'm glad I could answer your question.

Gowd...here I go again...this budgie sydrome is really taking it't toll so I may have to bring Nicko's bl**dy parrot that he left me with back to comment in the future.

I'm not talking about what was said about a previous poem of mine...I really don't care.

Blunders...I do have a problem with...especially when guidlines are provided. Even back then judges were not allowed to vote there own poem...but a suggestion was made and followed through...the poem won that week.

Now there is a difference between guidelines and rules...the mods made a rule...it didn't get followed up this week (flexible rules you say) and now....we are discussing a rule about harassment once more??

To the members who are reading this....do you care more about the judging system being pristeen or do you care that I may harrass you in future?

"Now there is a difference between guidelines and rules...the mods made a rule...it didn't get followed up this week (flexible rules you say)"

^What do you mean by this, Hellon? I'm having trouble following you.

"...And thank them [the judges] for their commitment and for having all the comments and votes ready on time! (please keep it that way)"

^ This is what Nana wrote in the congratulatory thread. All votes and comments were sent to Nana on time. The mods made a rule and it got followed up this week. What rule didn't get followed up?

*I've been studying for finals for the past 10 hours so my brain is a little fried. Going to log off. Goodnight.

I'm sorry you are having trouble following me so... here's your statement from the last post that was closed...

The rules were revised several weeks ago, and the revised rules were sent to all judges at the time. The new judges have received a revised revised copy of ALL the rules combined and polished, along with pointers/tips, and answers to common questions.
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The first two lines indicate that both (old) judges and the mods who made them were well aware of them before the new judges took their seats and yet....well I'm over repeating myself with the 10 vote and no comment left....

Hey Jane, my question isnt answered yet!

Did Noura get suspended? or she just left... /
?

Hellon,

The new judges just took their seat. They have only voted once and gave their comments.

Abed, we can not answer your question. We do not discuss another persons account with the members.

Abed,

We can not and we will not discuss this with you.

Okay okay...okay

but please bring her account back.
she just wants her poems, and she promises u not to show her ass up again.

Hellon,

Towards the end of the last judges' term, we sent the judges a reminder list of rules. It was kind of a "refresher." We made some things more specific. For example, instead of saying "get your votes in on time," we said "Get your votes in by ___o'clock PM. If you don't do this for two weeks, you will be replaced as a judge." Or something to that effect, I'd have to look it up.

However, since it was so close to the end of the judging term, we weren't so keen on finding a replacement judge for just a week or two when a judge voted without comments. We figured we'd give them til the end of the term (we were still in the process of choosing new judges) and we'd just start off very firm with this group. Additionally, with this new group, we have a couple of people who were willing to be designated judges, so we would feel comfortable asking them to cover for us for a few weeks until a new permanent judge could be found, if it should come to that.

Does that help at all?

Hellon, we received the new rules stating when to get our poems in by and that we had to have a comment with it or we would be replaced. Since there wasn't much time left and the hassle to find a replacement judge for a couple weeks can be time consuming, it wasn't strictly enforced, but I assume the mods would remember who was doing that and won't have them be a judge again. Now that our term is up, the new judges know right away what is expected of them time and comment wise.

You gotta let the past judging issue go. It's not gonna happen again and it makes no sense why you keep bringing it up. Judges don't suggest or discuss winners with each other, and if they do, they get reprimanded. Leave it to the mods to deal with, especially since nothing has even happened.

Since what is considered harassment still seems flexible, and the current mods for the most part appear to be holding up their end. I want to make it clear that the questions I ask are not rhetorical but I understand that the mods have other things to worry about that are more legitimate than the job they volunteered for here . I am sad to lose another member but I will say that the data on this site has never claimed it to be a safe place for poems

PS I am thrilled my old friend Bob quoted me on facebook I am beginnig to feel like a celebrity

I'm a honey badger about P and Q these days, but this rule doesn't seem very important to me.

You already have rules about rudeness and harassment, so why blur the lines with a rule about bringing up past situations in a harassing way?

it's still harassment, no need for a new rule. You will only bring more work to yourselves.

I'm sure that has been said before, couldn't be arsed to read the 100 page thread.

Kevin, nicely put. I concur!