'Atheist's Whisper'

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I did "Atheist's Whisper" ..Could you please do "Fading Away" ..Thanks heaps. xx.

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I'll do it if you do 'Sewage of Society'

Yeah ok, kool, i'll do that plus one if u could plz do "another perspective" and "fear" cheers.

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Oh, and don't mind the comment, I just have strong views and will defend it. Not saying you are wrong. Hope you understand.

WingsOfFlames- I did not see your comment?

Darien- I asked for a comment about my Poem, not for you to put down my beleifs. I respect your Religion, I think it is great to have faith in something, but I don't believe it. That's all what I would say. I could say it was pathetic, but I'm not going to say that to someone, so in your part it was rude and inconsiderate and it was not needed. I feel strongly about my beliefs also... but there was no respect. I can back up my beliefs easily. I thought you were a very intelligent person and carried yourself well, but now I kind of think differently. Anyway, I would have thought you'd know more about Evolution and how fake the Bible is.

But I have commented all of you back.

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Indeed you misunderstood. Read between the lines and you will see, I said I believed in my own religion, and have my own views. I respect your beliefs but I disagree with them. I do know about evolution, but how can you prove it? You can't. The same way you cannot prove religion. The difference is, Religion gives you something to believe in, where as evolution is a theory. It does not work the same way. It does not hold the same values. There were things you wrote in your poem that were not so respectful. As I stated in the above statement. I will defend my beliefs. I guess you did not understand.

I didn't misunderstand anything. I know you believe in your own religion, and have your own views. You say you respect my beliefs, but disagree with them. That does not mean you have to insult them and saying you think my beliefs are pathetic, which is disrespect. I've done research, and the sceintific evidence they have showed me leads me to believe all of it is real. So what if it is a Theory? It has evidence. Religion is something mankind developed so there would be an answer to their own existance. I'm not going to believe in a bible that just shows up at my door and states all these ridiclious things, especially stories in there that are impossible, and have been proven to be wrong.

How was my poem not respectful? I was stating my feelings toward this entity I had spent most of my years praying with, and expressed my anger to find out he did not even exist.

I responded to your Poem, But Im with Darien ..If you don't beleive in God Look around and tell me what could do all these great things, and make certain things that happen that bring joy to your life..? luck? nope...sorry ..I respect your belief and I didnt put it down ..But I'll pray for you that you actually see the real truth.

Yes, you didn't put it down. And I think it is great you do things because the Bible says to do them or you won't be accepted into Heaven, but I just don't feel that way. I look around, and I see that I have to live life to the fullest. There are good people, and there are bad people. Good things, and bad things. I'm just in the midst between them. I have freedom... and, I'm not going to let anyone restrict that. I'm happy with life. When I die, I die. That's how I see it. I'm just like you. I'm a regular person. Just because I don't believe in God doesn't mean certain things bring joy to my life. I have so many things that make me feel joyous. I see the real truth. And it isn't what your seeing. But I really do think it is great that you believe in God, I wish I hadn't found out the truth and become an Atheist, because studies have shown that when someone goes through hardships that if you believe in some entity you get through the problem better because you have faith and rely on that person. But, I get through things my own... and that's how I like it.

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If Religion were fake, then how can a mere human being 'invent' something so big. How can they get it across the world when there were no methods of communication. People could not have made up religion, there had to be something that started it. Science and it's proof are always proven wrong later. Do you really believe in the Lunar landing when they admitted it was staged. Science is flawed just as much as religion, and probably even more.

Your poem is saying God isn't there, because he wasn't there for you. The truth is, you are using God as a scapegoat for your own problems. You brought things upon your life. God gave you the gift of free will. You made your decisions, you only called for him when you needed him. He was there in your happy times, and did you thank him? Did you appreciate what he did for you. No, you ignored him as if he never existed. You look to science, what have they given you? Nothing.

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have r/c "Atheist's Whisper" and think it is wonderfully expressive.

Done :) Great work. Feel free to do any of my most recent 5 poems if you're interested.

Darien you have the greatest ways to express your opinions I love it!! And im with you 100% You can't just use God as a spare tire when youre in an emergency and you need him..He was always there for you ..you just have to look around...

I'm getting to all of yours right now.

Excuse me? Have you lived one moment of my life or even seen what I have been through? I think not. So don't go around presuming what I have done in my life. I was a true Christian, and I did thank god for every little thing in my life, and prayed for other people around me, I never even prayed for myself only few times but I rather pray for others because if somebody was happy, it would make me happy too. He got etched into my mind when I was small because I went to church and heard all the amazing things he could do and have done, so I spoke to him within my head as often as I could, hoping I would get through this day, or even get through the next. I never ignored him when I did think he existed. He isn't a scapegoat for my own problems, I'm not blaming anything on this entity you believe. How in the world did I bring bad things into my life? I didn't make my parents divorce. I didn't make my brother go to jail and prison. I didn't even want to pick between my mom or dad, hear their bickering and bringing out everything on me, or even being yelled at for stating what I thought! Sure, I brought that all on me? I brought every damn thing that happened to me in my life? Sure. Sure I did. You don't know anything about my life, so please be quiet and keep to yourself. I would presume that you have never had anything bad happen to you, or have had all good things happen to you, so that is why you thank god? No, I'm probably not right. So that's why I do go presuming things. Science is my answer, it gives proof of my existance - a god - to me, it is an outrageous thought and it can't even be possible in reality. Go live in your fairy tales, but I rather live life the real way.

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This isn't the place for a discussion about religion, folks. Why not take it elsewhere if you'd like to have it?

Or, leave the gal alone and agree to disagree. There's really no need for this, she's just asking for a poem critique not a life-choice critique.

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I was just wondering, and in this I don't mean any offense, really, but, if you're so sure that you're atheist, that God doesn't exist, then why the whisper?
What is, is. No need to feel guilty, or scared.
Oh, well, just me.

//T.L.//

True. I just wrote a poem, wanted honest critique, I don't want other people to say my Religion is pathetic, or try to get me back to God, what I believe is what I believe. I only asked for a comment and some decent respect.

T.L, why the whisper? I think Atheists are casted aside these days, shunned from light. If you think about it, one of the major Religions in this world is Christianity, few are only Atheist or Agnostic, or don't believe in God. If anyone comes out with it, they'd get attacked with comments that I have recieved, asking why and why don't you turn to God. I don't want that. I know why I went to Atheism, and I don't intend on going back to Christianity or any God-Praising Religion. My whisper is only meant for me to hear - because no one aside from the Internet will hear it. If I told my friends or family, I would guess they wouldn't accept me. In this world where Christianity is something everyone should possess - it is almost fatal to say it. And here it showed it. Do Atheists go to God-Praising Poems and shove their beliefs and ask why, why, why? No, we don't. We leave it alone. I don't know why people can't leave Atheism alone.

"I don't want other people to say my Religion is pathetic"

Atheism is not a religion. It's a belief. Are you blaming God for everything that happened in your life? Do you think you are the only person bad stuff happens to? No, you're not. You're being selfish. Stop expecting the best because you pray. The reason for praying is to bring peace to yourself and others. When it doesn't happen, you don't turn away. You continue. Believe in what you must, but don't start propaganda saying God doesn't exist because he wasn't there for you.

Atheism, I think, is a Religion. I have fought over that a lot of times, but I came to the conclusion it is. I have a belief that God does not exist. And if someone asks me what my Religion is, I will say Atheism.

I'm not blaming all the things that happened in my life on God. He doesn't exist, so why should I? Even back then I didn't. Other people had control over parts of my life, so they chose different roads that were harder than most teenagers. Even though I hate my past, I have to be considerate of it because it made me who I am today. I'm not being selfish. I don't see how I would be. I wasn't expecting the best, and if you would have seen my history, then you would have known if I just didn't get whipping that night I would have been thankful. I did pray for others, I hardly never prayed for myself. So there. When it doesn't happen, I continued, but when I revealed more and more about my Religion, I found out it was all lies. He wasn't there for me because he doesn't exist. That poem is my transitioning between faiths, it isn't propaganda.

I don't even need to explain myself to you, really. I believe what I believe. I don't need anyone saying my Religion is pathetic, or telling me they will pray for me. I'm fine. I don't need to rely on an entity - I don't even need an entity in my life. If you want to believe in God, then do so. Just don't badger me for not.

Atheism is not a religion, it is a belief. You need to look up the definition of a religion. When someone asks what religion you are, you say none. Atheism does not qualify as a religion.

You think you had a hard life, but you haven't heard other people's stories. That makes you selfish. Do you know that there are people suffering in other countries. They are called Third World countries, and they struggle to survive. There are people that come from war torn countries.

"Religion is pathetic, or telling me they will pray for me. I'm fine. "

You can never take away a person's faith. Just because something happened to you, doesn't mean you have to tell everyone God doesn't exist.
Believe in what you want, but don't tell other people what to believe in.

Christianity is a belief. It is a belief that God exists. I had this discussion on another site, and we all came to the conclusion that it is an Religion whether Christians like it or not. It doesn't define us, but it does define what we believe in. Just how Christianity defines you belief that God exists.

Geez. You don't listen to a word I say. I'm not selfish, I actually spend more time making sure everyone else in my family is stable before I am stable myself. But you wouldn't know that, would you? For you just presume things and tell me I'm selfish, but you don't know half my story. Unless I write it down my whole life on paper, or you view my life from a point of view, I really don't expect you to call me names. There is absolutely no room for that. I know of Third World Countries, heck, I have donated money to them. Just because I'm an Atheist doesn't mean I don't care about other peoples suffering or am 'I hate the world'. Yes, I try to help others, but I really do think our own Country has enough troubles, so I rather spend more time on America.

I'm not telling everyone God doesn't exist. I posted a poem, simply telling a view from Atheism, but you automatically believed I was an Atheist and so did others, and posted comments about how much I should believe in God and trust him, and that he will answer I just have to try harder. So really, who is the one shoving their Religion down whos throat? You, really, not me. I just posted a poem, it doesn't mean I'm Atheist, but I am. I'm not telling other people what to believe in, if you read the comments, others were telling me what to believe in. Believe what you want, but I really don't need someone telling me I'm selfish when they don't know half my life.

Stop trying. Your shoving everything down my throat. You don't see me going to every God-Praising poem and saying how they should go to the 'Dark Side', do you? So don't go to every Atheist poem presuming their selfish, or presuming to know half their life. Because you don't.

It was just a poem. And my beliefs. Don't try to tell me what I am...

Religion is commonly understood as a group of beliefs or attitudes concerning an object or person considered to be supernatural, sacred, divine or highest truth, and the moral codes, practices, values, institutions, and rituals associated with such belief or system of thought.

There is no Moral Code or Values that are taught in Atheism. There is no Sacred Story. Those are the foundations of a Religion. Atheism does not offer it. That is why it is called a belief. Research your arguement before you spit it out. Atheism is not a Religion, it is a belief.

"but you automatically believed I was an Atheist"

You stated yourself that God did not exist. You said you were an Atheist before anything.

"I rather spend more time on America."

Spend time on America? America has enough money to support itself and it's people. Do you know anything of your own politics?!?.. Your money goes to weapons. It goes into the military. United States spends the most money on military. In the Billions of dollars. Now tell me why that money is not funded into helping people. Exactly. You can't. America doesn't need help.

"So don't go to every Atheist poem presuming their selfish, or presuming to know half their life. Because you don't. "

You are the one presuming that I go to every Atheist's poem. Do you think I care that much? No, you started it. You started this entire arguement because you jumped to conclusions on my comment. You thought I was rude. I wasn't, but that's what you assumed, because I don't believe in what you believe. I can tell you what you are.. ohh I can ..

I can tell you anything I want, because God gave me free will.

So just because I'm Atheist does not mean I have any Morals? Or Values? My Religion doesn't have a 'Sacred Story', but I do know the Story of the past which came to my own existance. It is a belief. Just like Christianity is a belief. Who cares anyway, Atheism is Atheism, Christianity is Christianity. End of story.

Where did I state that? In the poem? As you state in your profile, just because you write about suicide doesn't mean it happened to you, but just because I write a Poem of Atheism doesn't mean I am. It is just sad that no one even gets the chance to learn anything and jumps to conclusions and badgers me for what I believe in.

Please. I'm an expert on Politics. Just because I want to spend more time on America doesn't mean I like the fact that we are spending all the money on Weapons of Mass Destruction. I don't like that fact, so I want to change it. I want to help with all these horrible things that are happening right now. What? America doesn't need help? That has to be one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard. In that case, have you even walked on the street and seen people sleeping on benches? Kids in poverty and suffering, abused, domestic violence. Wow, our Country has enough problems, and I'd rather try to fix those... because I actually know what it is like to get that low. Anyway, I rather not talk Politics with you if you don't even know what is going on!

I didn't start this argument. Don't point fingers. “I understand an atheist’s point of view, but I think it's pathetic.” Sure, that isn’t being rude? That was disrespectful. And when I just bring up the fact that it was rude, and that I didn’t think it was too respectful, I all of the sudden started this conversation? Hypocrite. When I write a poem, I shouldn’t be pushing my beliefs in peoples faces when it is their choice to even read the poem – but you can say whatever the hell you want because God gave you free will?

Please. I have free-will. I don’t have a leash on… I have my own opinions.

Can you read my newest five and vote as well. I'll read and rate five of yours.

Sure, Kaylee. I appreciated your comment, also. I will check out your newest five, and thanks!

Atheism is a belief and Christanity is a religion. There is a huge difference, and before you argue futhur. Research it and find out for yourself. Because you are arguing something that is totally wrong. Which shows your ignorance.

It shows your poor judgement in 'believing', if you truely 'believe' that Atheism is a Religion. All puns intended.

"America doesn't need help?"

When the Tsunami hit the South Pacific, who donated the most money? Well, I can assure you it was not the United States. When there are earthquakes in India, I'm sure the US sends money. Really they don't!?.. That's terrible. America only helps America. They only help themselves, and they only help when it benefits them. Why are they in Iraq? Not to save the people, but to preserve their precious oil. Don't 'believe' me, well it's a fact. You have no clue what the FACTS are. Just your own 'beliefs' which seem to be skewed.

"Kids in poverty and suffering, abused, domestic violence."

OMG that's terrible.. I'm sure the rest of the world is perfectly fine on that. They are only dealing with War, Famine, Disease, Crime.. I'm sure it's not too much.

I am free to do what I want. Who said I needed a leash? Oh right, the person that doesn't believe in God. Shows how much you know. At least religion gives me something to believe in. It gives me hope that there is something greater than human abilities. What does your so called 'religion' give you. Nothing. Not even something to believe in. What does it teach you. Nothing.

I point my finger at you, because I posted "Oh don't mind the comment."

The reason for that was because I couldn't erase what I said. That is why I hoped you didn't misunderstood. But no, you had to exaggerate it. You had to be all defensive. That's your fault.

Poor Judgement? Please, I believe that Atheism is a Religion whether anyone thinks so or not. I really don't feel the need to justify my answer or what I'm saying because I don't care what you think of me. I'm who I am.

The facts? I know the facts. You are reading everything that is happening in this world wrong. The U.S. sent plenty of money to Asia, the government, and the American Citizens for charity. We gave them all that money because if something happens in the world, we just splurge on it. We are in Iraq to save ourselves from weapons of mass destruction. Yeah, this war has gone a little too far... but we were needed over their years ago or maybe me or you would have been dead from them terrorizing our country! My beliefs are skewed? No, no. Don't even get me started on that. Get your facts straight... war might not be good, but that doesn't mean it isn't necessary. And we do donate so much money to other countries that we don't even think of fixing our own dang problems.

I'm not sure what you are saying. Just because Africa might have starving children doesn't mean we need to forget our own starving children in America, does it? Are we just going to shove away our own necessities? You don't know how twisted the government is on all this crap. I don't appreciate your sarcasm... if it were you dying in a gutter, you would want help, wouldn't you? But America would be too busy with other things they wouldn't even care about you lying there.

I didn't say you needed a leash. I said I'm not on a leash. Hah, Darien, you just made me laugh. My Religion gives me the belief that no entity exists. I don't need to believe in anyone else but myself and the ones I care for. My Religion doesn't give me anything. It doesn't define my every thought, action, or motive. I give myself a outlook on life maybe no one else has. I have things to believe in, your just so stuck on the fact I don't believe in some entity that you think I am nothing. But I'm not. Life has teached me so many things - like to defend myself to an ignorant person such as you.

Just, an oh I don't mind the comment? That during that moment you posted that comment, you didn't mean a word of it? Sure. I'm not exaggerating, you were. I'm defensive because someone disrespected me and posted back something even more disrespectful, so please - don't start the blame game.

"The U.S. sent plenty of money to Asia"

The US is ranked tops in the world for the best economy they have the highest GDP. Why did they send less money than countries with lower GDP? Can you answer that? No you can't.

"We are in Iraq to save ourselves from weapons of mass destruction. "

Are you kidding me!? What WEAPONS? Where are these so called "Weapons of Mass Destruction"? Where are they? They do not exist. So why the hell are they still there? To free the people? They don't even give a damn about the people. Terrorism happens all over the world. Again you wouldn't know. Protect your country within your own country, not destroy another country.

"we don't even think of fixing our own dang problems."

You want to fix your problems? Why isn't your Health Care free like so many other countries? Your government has enough money to pour into the Health Care system, why do they make people pay for it? What happens when you can't afford it? You die? Is that how you help them? It's all about money. Get every last penny.

"Just because Africa might have starving children doesn't mean we need to forget our own starving children in America, does it?"

United States is ranked lowest for famine and poverty. Africa is one entire CONTINENT. There are plenty of starving children in Asia, South America and even in Europe. America has the money to feed their own people. Why don't they do it?.. Just because you ask. That sounds selfish.

"My Religion gives me the belief that no entity exists. I don't need to believe in anyone else but myself and the ones I care for. My Religion doesn't give me anything. It doesn't define my every thought, action, or motive. I give myself a outlook on life maybe no one else has."

That is not a Religion at all. That is a philosophy of life. You really have no clue what you are talking about. You really should go back to school and take up Philosophy. IT will definitely give you a wider view on life. That is also called the Pragmatic point of view. Look it up. You are more suited for that belief than Atheism.

"because someone disrespected me"

I never disrespected you. Only your so called belief. If you believed in it that much, you wouldn't let something like that bother you. The truth is, you don't even know what you want. You sound less Atheist. Actually, you sound Agnostic. Look that up to. It's really interesting reading things, maybe you should. Look into your own politics.

It's funny how persistant you are in claiming Atheism is a religion. You really need to look up the definition of both words. Because it's pointless arguing with you when you are already wrong.

It is funny how persistant you are with so many topics you are so oblivious about.

I think it is funny how you believe some guy who was born and claimed he was God's son. Preached about it. Died on the cross, supposedly for your sins, and then believe every word of this book that showed up out of completely nowhere! I find it absurd.

Yeah. I know. The defintion might prove it isn't - but I don't care. If someone asks me what Religion I am, I will say I'm Atheist. I don't see why it can't define my beliefs.

It's funny how you assume I'm Christian.

"It is funny how persistant you are with so many topics you are so oblivious about."

Wow, I do something called 'research' you do something called 'assume'.. there's a difference.
What I say is fact. What you say is fiction.

Its also funny how you are arguing with someone who knows more about Politics and Religion than you. I'm a Poli-Sci major at a University level. You are barely in highschool. Get a proper education and then come back and debate with me.

Why can’t I assume your Christian? You assumed so many things about me.

I don’t say anything that is fiction. Just because I’m 14 years old doesn’t mean I don’t do research, because I do so much. Proper education? I am a sophomore. I am in High School. I’m not letting a name define my education; I’m way more educated then some college students about everything in the world today. You underestimate the youth, which is totally hypocritical because I bet you were underestimated when you were young also. Just because you are in a University doesn’t mean I have the same knowledge as you. Just because I am in High School doesn’t mean I don’t want to learn, and I look for answers. So don’t even get started with my age or what level I am at, because I know things that college kids are learning about right now. You might know a little more than I do, but that doesn’t mean everything, so don’t even say I don’t know a thing about the world today because I think I know way more than you do and have the best views on everything.

"Just because I am in High School doesn’t mean I don’t want to learn, and I look for answers. '

^^ If you wanted to learn you would stop aruging and look up what you've said, and see how wrong you were. You would have learned that Atheism is not a religion and that what you preach sounds more like an Agnostic or Pragmatic point of view. Your views on American politics are based on what you beleive is true and not on facts. You don't see the world from other people's eyes, you see it from America's. Put yourself in someone elses shoes and view America for what it is.

"You underestimate the youth, which is totally hypocritical because I bet you were underestimated when you were young also."

I was never underestimated by my peers. I was fast tracked and older students became my friends, they knew I was smart. They acknowledged my abilities. They respected me. I got to where I am today because I thrived on learning the facts. There is a huge philosophical debate about 'truth, knowing and belief'. Most of what you say is what you believe. Which on the lowest level. Most of the things I say is true. Sure, God is something I believe in. But you can neither prove his existence, or prove his non-existence, which leaves it open to belief.