evolution

okay this is a question that we have been pondering for a while, and it is: how did we get here? the way i see it is that there is two main theories. one being something along the lines of the 'big bang' theory. that a comet of meteor hit a star and split that star into pieces all at once or split off pieces one by one. and we have came from there. the other one is god. the bible says that he made everything. he created the birds trees and the planets and the stars. he created man. however if you go back to the 'big bang' thing, how did all those stars and comets get there. space goes on forever. forever is a long time. and if there is and end, can you get through it? and what would be on the other side? science has proved that the earth has been here for a longer time that the bible says that we have been here. the bible also says that god created the earth in seven days, but whose to say that a day is just twenty four hours. a day is as long as you want it to be. so these two theories basically contradict each other in meaning. yes god could have created the stars and everything and then just let things work out themselves. but if he created everything why not create man and create all the luxuries that we will ever have?

any ideas?

^off the top of your head, do you know how far back?

I'm no cosmologist, but as far as I know, the big bang doesn't mean a comet exploded. I think it's more something like: about 14 billion years ago, all the matter (and everything else, I suppose) of the entire universe was concentrated in an unbelieveably dense mass. The mathematical, theoretical "point," which doesn't really exist int he physical world. Except at this point, it did, I guess. This mass, for some reason or another, randomly blasted exponentially outward in an explosion of space and time. Thus setting the universe in motion. But, I'll see what else I can find. Ah, wikipedia has a pretty simple discussion, you could look there.

This still has the same issues as your "how did the comet get there" question. "How did the super-dense ball of matter and energy get there?" Maybe it's just a constraint of my human mind, but I can't grasp my rationality around the idea that something comes out of nothing. There must always be one constant. In my view, this constant would be God - the one point or existence from which all others come, against which all others move.

As for the Bible, I tend to not take it so literally. God created the earth in the 24 hour period before there was an earth to judge a day by? Meh. Some things work more truthfully mythologically than they do "literally."

Evolution is a crockery.

they researched that 1,000,000 years ago the earth would have been too close to the sun

and that 8,000 years ago the moon would have been so close that the tidal waves would have been too great

and also i read in a science magazine that they found out that there wasn't enough matter in the universe to create a big bang

In my view, and without too much support, I believe that there wasn't a beginning. The universe is simply there. How did it get there? It's always been there =P Like in chemistry - when there's a reaction, atoms aren't destroyed they're just altered. The energy doesn't just goes away without a trace. It's also changed and it's released in a different form. Tell me if this is wrong, but in that sense, elements and energy lasts forever. Life is just a series of big balanced equations we haven't figured out yet.

Just my simple-minded views...

No comment. for i might lose my temper

Joseph - I think I tend to agree with your post. But as I said above - Maybe my mind just isn't great enough to wrap around the concept of nothingness : )

david - I'm not sure if I'll agree with you, but I would like to hear some more about your views. Do you have any more specifics about these studies relating to the earth thousands of years ago? I'd like to read more about it.

Without reading from these studies that you've -sort of - cited, my question would be this: How does the idea that the earth was uninhabitable 8,000 years ago work with the current information (carbon dating, historical records, etc) which suggest that human civlization has been functioning for at least the last 10,000 years? Admittedly, I'm no expert on anthropology, but it's my understanding that certain continuous records - Egyptian, Mesopotamian - have been kept that would indicate that these civilizations have been around for a while. *If anyone has more information on this, I would like to hear about it.*

Also, david, I'm not sure where you (or the topic maker, for that matter) are drawing the connection between evolution and the big bang. Well, maybe particle evolution and biological evolution have more in common than I know, but I'm not sure.

Finally - nobody should be afraid to share their opinions! Go ahead and get angry - as long as it's well founded and... controlled?

No one is gonna say i came from a monkey or worse an ameba.

the sun is actually getting smaller belive it or not. it loses 5ft per day. but of course you can stick 24000 earths in the sun. but just imagine what it would have looked like if the world really was million upon millions of years old.

and the way our elipse around the sun works it turns out that the moon draws away a little each year.

which the moon also controls the earths water tides

^^^ So what you just magically appeared then??
I don't get the 'Big Bang' theory. To me it just doesn't make sense. And it still doesn't explain everything. I do believe we evolved from apes as there is scientific proof but of course science is changing every day to.

Bump I want to here some more opinions on this

I don't really think the two theories contradict eachother. God uses natural causes to create the things he does. He would have used the 'Big Bang' to create us and this planet. Scientists don't have all the knowledge to know for how long exactly this planet has been around....God has not yet revealed it all to us.

I believe that God created us like the bible said.....but I also think that there are some things the bible did not mention. Such as how we got the light. God said let there be light and there was light. But like I said earlier God uses nature to create. The universe goes on forever just as God does. It is without end. It is so large that man cannot fathom it. We are not meant to either. There are some things that we will find out in the life to come.

People have thought about this topic a lot. And no one can come to a clear answer. But that is because there is no clear answer that man can fathom. Only God knows the answer to these questions, and he will share in due time.

I agree in there somewhere.

Well i believe that God did create all of this in the beginning. but I dont believe we evolved from mokeys

^^^ Just curious as to what you make of the scientific evidence that suggests we evolved from apes?