whats with this hole gOD...thing

i still don't believe in him.....but you all believe what you want....no one can force another person to do otherwise....so ashley and chloe....if you're so christian than you should love others no matter who they are and respect their opinions am i right?
anyways....i am chritian or am forced to be....i just don't belive in the bible, the ten commandments, god etc....but that's me so yah...

What's the matter with you people? Leave those that trust in God alone! We really don't care if you don't think He exists. I think He does, and nothing you say can change it. Quit complaining. If you don't like the religious poems, don't read them!

I respect other's opinions, but holy crap! If you can't accept mine, then why should I accept yours?

~Ciao Lipton

The urge to lash out, to crush faith and bring down all with it.

A statement can be strong but is weakened by the tyrannical rantings that follow.

Your statement will carry weight if you still believe it when you become self-aware. Right now? Well, it sounds like a childish attempt to start an argument to vent frustrations about a suggested deep seated hate or resentment of someone in your family who is a very religious person.

As an alternative to annoying the crap out of poets you could just have a coke and a smile.

Just a thought.

Bert

it really doesn't make a difference because i always have a coke...sometimes smile.....but i wasn't trying to cause caos between different poets

Anyone involved has a little bit to write up ending arguments. This thread was pretty touchy from the start, and a majority of it is pretty ridiculous and unfounded. It'll be locked pretty soon unless apologies are made and reasonable debate/discussion resumes.

ps. lipton i wasn't attacking god or the catholic religion....you just took it that way....all i said was that i didn't believe in god etc and that those who did ok....but you went like crazy with....STOP PICKING ON THE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN GOD....i wasn't even saying anything about them..just stating my opinion and if you can't take it...i'm sorry but it's my opinion.. it was like you felt the need to protect yourself...when i wasn't even attacking

Ok, so let's assume you're right and there is no God and you have nothing in society to lean on other than MTV.

Is the lack of recognised support structure due to teenage apathy the cause of ever increasing suicides, murders and cases of depression and self-harm?

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Ok, let's assume you're wrong, God exists and aliens land on the Whitehouse lawn tomorrow. Are aliens God's children too and if not, why not?

Assuming that God created the earth and the sky and the stars the implication is that God made everything including the aliens.

God doesn't want us to depend on him at all. Whoever gave you that message is and was wrong.

Bert

Im just debating the points you make. I like discussing things and playing devil's advocate. *sighs* If that makes me a wise ass so be it. we'll sit about and argue instead of discussing.

"This world is all about MTV and drugs, and alcohol and sex..that's the way we created it..and that is how it is going to be for a long time."

No, it isn't, and it doesn't have to be either. MTV created the MTV generation, you're just along for the ride. And what's more, even though you don't realise it you can hop off anytime you like.

That's free will.

Not proving you wrong or right, just making a statement (Though it probably makes me a wise ass, right?).

Ok well, whatever anyone says I believe in God. I mean, nothing I say will make non believers believe so why even bother?

Besides, all some people have is their faith. Why would I want to take that away from them? People can believe what they want to believe. (It's called Free Will by the way, another thing GOD gave us...)

I find it a facsinating subject to discuss. Reasons why you do, why you don't. The contradictions, the feats and aspirations, the possibilities and hidden meanings.

Metaphor, bluntness... hell, it's all good.

"it really doesn't make a difference because i always have a coke...sometimes smile.....but i wasn't trying to cause caos between different poets"

My post was directed a selfrejected, sonya, no one else.

Bert

Well we can only pray that one day self rejected, and the ones whom agree with atheism is filled with the Holy Spirit, but right now they seem to be filled with something else. Rejected is very confused, noone is rejected by God. The purgatory has already begun for those whom reject God. Yes, God even loves poeple who are not intellegent enough to know where the capital letters are supposed to go, or know that it was Charles Darwin not erwin who proposed the evolution theory. or even someone that does not know that belief in God is a requirement for catholics

THE FUCKING ARUGEMENT WAS SETTLED BY ME AND ASHLEY HOLY FUCK AND BRET YOU STICK YOUR FUCKING NOSE IN FUCKING EVERYTHING YOU DONT KNOW JACK FUCKING SHIT ABOUT ANYTHING MY FAMILY IS NOT FUCKING RELIGIOUS AT FUCKING ALL...AND I DONT HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST RELIGIOUS PEOPLE I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET SOMETHING OUT OF SOMEONE THEY FUCKING SAID AND THATS IT....

GET A FUCKING LIFE AND STOP LIVING ON THE INTERNET!!!!

I HAVE A FUCKING RELIGION TO FUCKING SATANISM....! FUCK PEOPLE READ THE FUCKING CONVERSATION BEFORE POSTING SHIT...! FUCK FUCK PEOPLE FUCK PISS ME OFF NO WONDER I FUCKING WANNA KILL SOMEONE!

Happier for getting that out, son?

Oh, and the caps lock key is on the left.

Bert

If you are a satanist you must believe in God... sort your life out kiddo.

Bert

HOLY FUCKING SHIT...SATANISM IS BELIEVING IN FUCKING DEATH NOT GOD OR THE DEVIL ONLY IMMATURE PEICES OF SHIT...DO THAT...I BELIEVE IN GREY NOT BLACK OR WHITE LIKE YOU FAGGOTS...I DOTN NEED SOMEONE TO RUN EVERYTHING I DO LIKE gOD LOVING FREAKS...FUCK

*chuckles*

Ok treacle, you'll have an annurism is you're not careful.

Caps lock is still on the left.

And the Satan part of Satanism implies the belief in Satan... the devil... Lucifer. You must be confused. It's Mortism you're into.

Feel free to stop throwing the toys out of your particular pram and start discussing like someone with an education. When you do you'll find that you'll get treated like someone with an opinion and not an insolent three year old.

Bert

hey im sorry sonya..n yes i do disagree with you..but i do love everyone for who they are! n im sorry if i made you mad..i didnt intend to..but i respect your opinions! plz forgive!

okay ryan calm down..no need for that type language..there could be like younger ppl in here n you are cussin up a storm..a good way to act ur age huh?

sorry but God lovers arent freaks! you are the freak..n im sorry 4 sayin it..but really thats the truth you probably go around liking ppl getting hurt n seeing bad things..n being a dark person! thats not normal! okay you are the freak!

i know im a freak...fuck who doesnt...

hi christa..yea i totally respect your opinion..n i am a christian..but i understand kinda what you are saying..but ne wayz..he wants us to depend on him bacause he will always help us n he loves us..n he is always there no matter what!

dude seriousley you need to stop cussin..there is like kids who look at this..n its like rude..

little kids...alot of people start using swear words at the age of two...i have a pretty good feeling fuck wont make anyone mad...FUCK is just a word...it has no meaning after we all die...so live with it

Sonya: I wasn't talking to you.

I was talking to whoever started this topic. It's just dumb and pointless to sit there and say, "God doesn't exist," mainly because a lot of people aren't going to believe you, and stuff like this happens. I liked the nice discussions where there wasn't fighting in a subject like this. Opposing ideas, but there was no bloodshed involved.

~Ciao Lipton

Just follow the rules people.

~Ciao Lipton

"no....christians are people that were dumb and followed someone that called themselves a prophet...christians are people that left the jewish religion for the fake prophet...ive gone to catholic schools my hole life i know all the bullshit..."

Right there... that's slander. For one, it sterotypes because you think, automatically, if someone is a Christian, then they have no idea what they're doing, and two, once again, this is your opinion, and your opinion isn't the basis of how everyone thinks and acts. Get used to the fact that people believe in God. You're not shaking my beliefs.

"i purely think god is a fake. and those god poems....god wasn't the one that helped you...it was yourself. or some other HUMAN being.. jesus might have existed...but as a mortal man... not immortal...frankly i think that the catholic religion is the longest lasting and growing cult ever recorded"

That's what you think, so, I don't understand why what you think should be the basis of everyone else's thinking. Oh, BTW, have you ever seen or heard of a mortal man that rose from the grave? No? Didn't think so...

I believe in God,
You don't,
Get over it,
You're not changing my mind,
And I have no intention to change yours, either.

~Ciao Lipton

god is too overrated!!!

MANSON IS GOD

whatever emmerz..thats really immature n stupid..

Funny that Jacko could wind up opposite Charlie... especially as he owns the rights to Helter Skelter.

god is meant for only those who actually believe there is one and for people who actually have faith and shit, me well i do have my belifes im kinda half and half on the whole how we're here and all the other stuff from the bible its kinda like well how do we know its true we weren't around when all that stuff happened but on the other hand i guess in order for it to seem true you have to believe its true, and i do in more ways then one, im not trying to preach(sp?) the word of god or anything i hate it when people do that im juts saying that belifes are belifes and god well i don't know whats with this whole god thing, i wish i could tell you but i cant

I went to church a couple of times this year.

They told me everyday i lived on earth was to serve god. that was the purpose of my dad, my life.

If so, God must be selfish

dont gimme bull about god creating me, because if god created for his own personal use (which is what the church ppl said) then shoot me, god is one selfish guy

selfrejected:

Then tell me something about erwins evolution theory ..... [sic - lol]

selfrejected: shut up!

Why do you say god- gOD...
It's retarded.
God is a little fable people tell each other so they can have a happy idea of what happens when you die. When you die, your nervous system shuts off and thats it. Nothing. Bye.

I was brought up athiest by my father, but events in my life brought me to God. If I can find faith anyone can.

Lmao.
This post is so fucking old.
I started this so long ago and you people are still talking about it haha. Wow.
I've changed my veiw on this whole subject and that people express their feelings about gOD in their poetry. So I don't care.
Have fun arguing about something that was settled a long time ago.

Oh yeah, I was a little immature when I started posting here. So forgive my old idiotic veiw that is the first post here.

Bleeding Angel:

*rolls eyes* I KNOW! If you actually pay any attention to my whole post, and read the (sic - lol) in conjunction with whoever-it-was's first post that started this whole thread then you'd know exactly what I'm getting at. Of course, you're too much of a retard to realise this.