Thoughts & Prayers for Colorado

Well I don't think it makes any difference what we call him
The point is he killed over 10 people and injured more
does it really matters now if he is a terrorist or a mass killer???
what makes it so different for you??
they both killed many people the both deserve same punishment no matter what reasons
and one more thing I want to know
how can you prove the religious or Political agenda of the terrorist??
and I don't see frustration isn't reason enough to kill people

I was frustrated as hell and no kidding but I didn't take my father's gun and went in the streets killing everybody I meet

Killing isn't that easy not cause you felt like shit you go to kill innocent people who had nothing to do with your problem
What Logic can say what he did is something different than terrorism??
it isn't about dictionaries at all
it is about minds

somebody explain please cause I need answers about this

Max, calm down. You are taking this way out of proportion...

Terrorism is usually described as someone using terror for coercion...basically it means using terror in order for people to follow them. That is what Sadam Hussein did in the 9/11 attacks or Osama bin Laden, or whoever the crap you want to pick.

Because of this, James Holmes is not described as a terrorist because he did not try to get anyone to 'follow' him. He just walked into the theater and started shooting people. We don't know why - the police have not released information about it (they probably don't even know). He killed 12 people, while a total of 70 were injured (last I knew).

Killing is easy for some people, and that is sickening. Sometimes, it takes one little thing to send them on a killing spree, and others they just do it for fun. Its not easy for me, and I am sure that it is not easy for most of the active people on here...

Nobody here needs to get angry. We are having a serious discussion.
Actually this is what I study, and I study it at a great university. Not using a dictionary, just giving an educated opinion with a few possible explanations. It does matter what we call him because there are tremendously different connotations involved, and a mass murderer is not a serial killer nor a terrorist. Not on paper, not in personality types, and not in future risk factors. It's important to understand the difference(s).
Max, you are unable to understand how someone can let small frustrations boil up into a mass murder because you yourself are not capable of that kind of maliciousness. Most likely the theatre killer encountered a series of events that led him up to his threshold, then a trigger pushed him over it. He was potentially planning the mass murder for a very long time. Researching weapons, studying the theatre, letting his irrational anger at society fester.

Oki Oki
I understand the political things and the following things and I know what some people define terrorism as
but on the other hand not all the terrorists are of know intentions
I mean those you mentioned above were heads of somethings Sadam Hussein was the president of Iraq and Osama was leader of the biggest terrorism group in the world

I am talking about people like James Holmes
lets say 2 people killed many people in 2 different places

one was called terrorist and the other was called what ever you want to call him

would it make any difference???
or is it the same ??

I think both are the same cause both killed many people and both cause terror meant or not
it doesn't matter
The problem is terror was caused by both

Does anyone know if he knew anyone in the audience at the theatre? I'm wondering if there was a specific target in the mayhem.

Mass killers
as I could understand they kill cause they have some "problems" is it right?? then if not caught then he will kill again

Terrorists
as you defined it have political or religious reason to kill then if not caught will kill again

Serial killer
kills people for some reason we don't know and he kills many put from time to time
then he will kill again if not caught

any type of them will kill again
then what makes it so different??

maybe you could explain to me since you study these things

btw I am not angry I am just wondering
( sorry if I seemed angry at any of you )

Jane, it was not said. No one knows, but it might be possible :[

A terrorist is a person who is looking for power - he (or she) wants people to follow him. They use TERROR to get what they want.

A serial killer (or a mass murderer such as James Holmes) doesn't want people to follow them (or at least could give a crap if they did). They don't really look for it...all they want is to kill people to satisfy themselves (there is usually a reason behind it).

There could be a difference. If their desired outcome was to get followers, then they are both terrorist. If one was to kill to satisfy their own desires, and not give a crap if people followed them, then that is not a terrorist. That is just a murderer (serial killer, mass murderer, etc.)

YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MOTIVE OF THE PERSON.

Max... I don't personally think the title changes anything, and it doesn't matter overall in a normal discuss. But like Jane has pointed out there are big differences between each type of murderer. They have of course one, sick similarity. Overall they're are evil, but now its breaking it down to more specific terms.

Hmm
that is minor for me
the main event is that people are killed in anyway
and they are Innocent

as you said at last they are all murderers
for me doesn't matter what motivate that person into killing cause he just went on for a kill and he paned to kill

and I think he might have problems but in the world no problem is enough to make you kill other people who you never knew before
and he did it just as a vent?? lol

if it is so then he had no conscious and he wasn't a whole "good" person before
planing to kill for a long time as you said won't be just cause he was "Frustrated" he had his sick reasons.
but please lets no blame it on reasons
and if it was life problems ( which I believe it can never drive somebody to kill ) is what led him to this
them blame it on the government which didn't provide the life he wanted to stop the killing

I think its a lot more than frustrations. This guy, I think, has some sort of a mental issue.

Some people do break and kill people, but those people have the tendencies. I think its hard for us to really grasp or understand because we don't have the same thought process, fortunately.

Britt I understand what you mean
cops now try to think as the killer to know what would be his next step so it is important for them to label people by these types of names

I was talking in my own point of view
as I said I think it doesn't matter what we call them cause they will all kill again if they are free

You say I think
I say I am pretty sure he have mental issue
but he isn't crazy
cause crazy people don't plan on killing
and he was very accurate as I see
he had set a full plan and it worked
but I am still not sure how he got into the theater with the gun
maybe he knew somebody working there ???
or is it usually easy to go with guns in there??

I say I think because I'm not qualified to have an educated opinion :) in my opinion he's bat sh*t crazy.

As for the guns, he went in, got a ticket in normal clothes and sat down. He then went outside the emergency exit and propped it open, put on all the artillery gear and grabbed his guns from his vehicle. He then went back in the emergency exit and threw the tear bombs out.

So he went in 100% normal. No one could have stopped it from that point. No one knew, nothing was suspicious.

Yup I know that =)

aha well he is a smart killer then
and he have no mercy too
I wish somebody could shot him or tried to stop him in anyway
but I guess it is hard to move when you are afraid

What I want to know is who helped him... Conspiracy theory maybe, but he was a medical student full time.. students don't usually make the kind of money to pay for three guns and all that gear. Not to mention all the explosives. Your looking at thousands and thousands of dollars. I wonder if his parents were wealthy and supported him, or if someone funded that for him.

Britt that is an interesting thought aye! If the parents funded him though I doubt they knew what it was for and if they did, they should rot with him.

I don't know how anyone could shoot anyone in the head point blank for "fun" like that and he had the audacity to shoot a 6 year old girl??? Seriousl that is crazy crap right there :|

He should rot in jail with no sunshine, no tv and I am sure that the other inmates would not be happy that he killed children. Let them have his way with him. Death for him would be too easy

I think it might be stolen equipments
or back to my 1st thought that he was paid for doing this
I guess money is enough motivation for some people to do anything
and for explosives it can be home made ones since they don't cost alot and they are easy to make

The guns were purchased by him, the three stores were identified. So those weren't stolen.

Then he could be paid for it as I said or he had a shadow partner
hope the police will find everything about it soon

He was not a medical student, my error in misreading the article in my first post.
Link: http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/20/12854157-theater-shooting-suspect-was-graduate-student-at-colorado-medical-school?lite

He was a PhD doctoral candidate in Neurosciences, who actually dropped out in June as his semester performance began to fail. Beginning in May he had already started his grand act, as evidenced by his gun and ammunition buying. By June he had bought 6000 rounds of ammunition...perhaps someone in his family could have recognized it then. His friends found him aloof, strange at that time...symptoms likely suggesting an already going on silent psychotic or PRE-psychotic stage. I suspect he had delusions of grand staging an act such as this one around this time. I would suspect he was a psychotic killer (one who is truly insane and has delusions), rather than a psychopathic one...will provide a reference later. Looks like he carefully chose the stage to act out on his delusions of grandeur, the opening night of a Batman thriller, to have the biggest impact. That probably explains why he din't care if there were children or adults...he just wanted to act out his delusion of grandeur by grand staging his act, unfortunately.

And yes the poor gun control laws including the sale of assault rifles and automatic weapons are largely responsible for allowing such psychotic people to act out their delusions. Sorry, as long as such weapons are available easily these events will continue to occur.

I agree weapons must be Hard to get to civil people cause people like that person would use it in causing problems
if we look in world wide Crime rates we find that killing crimes are the least at countries with strict laws about having weapons like here in Egypt and couple of Asian countries which I can't recall their names now

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