Freed of of Speech?

Well in my religion mocking the prophet doesn't lead to beheading and in my country we don't have beheading too + you didn't mock him why are u so bothered??
these words are aiming the person who made the movie

"I would say the fist part of your sentence has a lot of truth in it"
LOL you really mean u believe it?? I think u are being sarcastic but if you really believe that we brain washed then I pity you
cause if it is then I am sure you know nothing about me, or any Muslim

Http://twitchy.com/2012/09/15/australians-shocked-by-muslim-men-and-kids-signs-behead-all-those-who-insult-the-prophet/

No, he was not the only child in Sydney brainwashed! Look at all the pictures. No wonder, Australians were shocked.
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in response to "^ Who's the idiot who said he should duck?"

Yesterday's news: All non-essential US personnel ordered out of Lebanese US Embassy for fear it will be over-run, reminded me of these 2 events (April 18 & Oct 23 1983), biggest ever against US Peacemakers of those times. Still fresh in the minds of the Americans who were serving as Peacekeepers in 1983 in Beirut -
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/terror.htm

(From the archives of the National Cemetery, in Washington, DC)

and please Google the pictures of the deadliest ever attack on a foreign embassy (US Embassy in Beirut 2003 to see why attacks on Peacekeepers are nothing new in this part of the World).

Maybe I should post the poem said by this little Palestinian girl
Who saw her whole family of 11 die in front of her while having a beach picnic
Maybe then you would understand that our kids aren't really children, they know nothing of how innocence feels
Just because you and your kids life in a safe heaven doesn't mean the whole world sleep comftroble
And you have the audacity to belive that we brain wash our children

Freedom of speech indeed, I'm loving it
Because it is a thin fine line to separate those who have the intellectual knowledge to back what they say and those who are complete fools

A good example of this is here on this website
Noura a kid of the age of 16 or 17 with devoured innocence
Life forced here to grow beyond her age at such a young age
Yet the love she posses overshines all of the worlds bitterness
She's a proud example of a kid who have ad it the worst way possible an I love you dearly and respect you for that
Even better I learn from you noura,
So don't compare our kids to yours
Not when our kids find bullets and death is a companion while yours play in the garden.

Maybe then you would understand that our kids aren't really children, they know nothing of how innocence feels
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These kids live in Australia....huge difference. Even if they were not born here they would have little to no knowledge of their background....unless their parents inform them of it!

I agree with you Rab
no way to compare a kid who wake up on the sound of bombing everyday waiting his turn to die next
to a kid who wake up to the sound of school bell ringing beside his home

Lonely Soul u are sad cause these people are expressing their anger in just some written words??
I think the words might be offencive but more peaceful than actions both unacceptable for me but I think you know as much as I know that them are aiming them to only one person

and that thing you mentioned I don't think I remember I know only a lil bit about somethings but thanks to you I will read all about it now xD

Look Hellon
I live in Egypt and been always living here except some small parts of my life
and I tell you as much as I lived here it was always peaceful until 25 jan 2011 this is when the protesting started then the police killed some of the protesters and a riot started and remained for like a year and a half
and I tell you kids of 10 years old joined while their parents didn't
we here talk about our country and religion a lot so we know much enough about it since we start to understand

Just to answer you David ( I guess that is you name )
first of all I tell you many terrorism attacks happen
but this time it wasn't like the time in 2003
this time it was angry people huge difference between both the attacks

If you can find any posts by Norhan, sign in name ....The Princess...regarding these protests you may find some very valuable readings in her statements....I really hope you will look them up.

And please why u call people expressing anger cause their religion was attacked , brain washed??

what do you know about these people or any Muslim in the world but what media tell you???
have you read a book about Islam written by a Muslim not those books written by people who know nothing about it
have you had any connection with a Muslim in real??

and yeh he is dumb if he told u to duck cause you are a U.S citizen cause we treat all the people the same way at least that it is how it goes here in Egypt

and first read about how many innocent citizens did the U.S army kill in Iraq it is pretty obvious that they were peacemaking there

I'm not sure if you're directing this to me....think the second half may be at LS so I'll leave that part for him...

Yes...I have associated with muslims....I visited Abu Dabi many years ago and it was not a pleasant experience for me then. I've also been in Malaysia when it was holiday time for the muslim community of Saudi Arabia....again it was unpleasant. I found the males to be very arrogant in the hotel we were sharing....they refused to queue up for breakfast...jumped the queue....took huge amounts of food which the left mostly...their wives were all bundled up in there burkas...had to feed the children..feed themselves...not any easy task while wearing a veil....they were hot I could tell...the men swam in the ocean with just shorts...the women...well try swimming with all that gear on....

Oh...yes....and my hotel was right next to a mosque which pissed me off when they started calling for prayers at 6am...

Well I never talked to people in these places
but I knew some other people who weren't like what you described above
you should visit Lebanon or Egypt oh the Prayer it is just cause you not used to it -.-
oh and women thing I tell you these women choose for themselves you could have went to contact with them but you didn't for sure I tell you just watching actions tells nothing about a person
I can say you didn't connect with them from how you talked about it anyway you think whatever you want
but never judge a religion from what one person act
like the saying "Don't judge the book by it's cover"

Hey, look, it's another harmless PnQ thread that started off nice and then ended up being an argument between people about religion.

I was actually interested in what people had to say about freedom of speech but it's just this again?

It's this sort of talk that stirs hatred within people. We can't simply disagree and be comfortable with that...we must throw our opinions and 'facts' in each other's faces.

All anger. No sign of patience or understanding anywhere.

All anger. No sign of patience or understanding anywhere
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Jordan...I think I'm being patient..no?

Max...I was an observer in Abu Dabi..I was on a business trip...I abided by all the rules and, that was not a problem for me. When I went to the markets however thinks changed...I'm not going to go into detail because....like I said...I was not in my own country.

Malaysia was different....I was on holiday..so were they...both in countries that were not our own so....again...i showed respect....IMO they didn't.

I agree with Jordan and will continue to talk no more
and I will not join any thread about such matters again

Sorry if I hurt anybodies feelings and thanks for your opinions

I'm honestly not sure what to say here
I mean, I wouldn't stay quiet while Someone freely makes the conclusion that my kind is a cancer and are the cause of chaos in this world Jordan, so excuse me brother,
Had the situation been reversed and I even dared to say the same thing about Jewish or Christian people im sure someone would jump the horse now? No?

And hellion do you know what your problem is?
Generalization, in both cases, our kids aren't being brain washed, you can't take a small fraction and then just assume that everyone is alike
And you encountered the same types of Arabs
Gcc whatever residents from ksa or UAE' these are only two counties only, do you understand that we are more than 20 Arab countries and not all of us share the same laxuary
You saw as these Saudis in Malaysia, and as the residents of Abu dhabi, most of the other countries are poor,
Ever botherd to see how the kids in Tunisia doing? These kids that don't even have acess to drinking water even.
My point is' you came across some snobbish people and arrogance is plentiful when you talk about their ego
Which is very unfortunate because not all 10 fingers of your hand are similar you know
Apply that to the situation?
Care to hear how I previewed the austrialins residing or having a vocation in langkuwi?
I came acros more than a dozen who didn't even sleep in hotels, you could tell by their smell that they haven't showerd in days,
Now should this singular experience sum my views on the entire population of Australia ? Do I preview you the same way I did them? Nooooo I don't

And here is a thing you have to understand
Our cultures weigh heavily in this equation
Culture vs religon

You honestly mistake our culture for certain religious rules
You would be surprised believe me

No Rabia...you are right...you should never judge a book by it's cover that is true...maybe I just met the wrong arabs and you met the wrong australians but....I still stand by the fact that these children live here and....they have no war to face everyday....I don't want it to ever be that way so....why are the parents endorsing this behavoir?

Talk about the devil, Hellon, and here I am. I'd agree with Jordan this is a sad thread, but then again if it results in just one person seeing the other side then it's worth it. I think airing out these kind of, er, statements is healthy at times. However if it would help if each one thought while reading others' posts whether they're reading to criticize or dialog, showing you're just as bad as the other doesn't really justify your cause.

So to state my opinion, I agree with Colm's statement about freedom of speech. I believe that almost anything, even the most sacred of things, can be used, abused and misused, let alone freedom of speech. I'm against the violence which happened, the hurtful statements/chanting (that some also consider freedom of speech), riots (freedom of action, this time?).. etc. I don't think it right to hurt people all their fault is believing in something. I don't think right to kill a person just because he/she happens to represent something you disagree with or are angry at and I certainly don't think because some people think it's ok and acceptable to joke about their religion others should do, too, by default. I have friends that are Ok with being addressed in a certain way with swear words and whatnot, I'm not fine with it and hence they respect that when it comes to me. People are meant to be different, such difference should be respected and even protected.

As to most terrorist being muslims, it is somehow true when you consider how the word terrorist was really tailored to fit Muslims, making it almost impossible for the word to apply on just anyone who terrorizes people, nope it has to be with some religious motives and whatnot. I've actually seized caring who's who sometime ago. I don't think we're here to point fingers and say, hey you did/do that, too and we're certainly not here to unite against one another or prove our ways are better.

I think the bumping of heads between the east and west is more political under the guise of religion than really religious and it's always been thus. It's always been a relation dangling between domination and conquest. I don't think when we look at what's happened in Benghazi we can just say ''muslims'' and suddenly things are more understandable. It's all a tangled web that requires the knowledge of various other aspects, some of them intellectual and many are social and political. If you change one aspect of factor of those, leaving the religious one, you'd find that the outcome changes. Religion is as tolerant as the society it is in.

Where Do I start?
I'll make this as informative as possible

I don't agree with it, Because I too live in a foreigner country and know How I might disagree with their rules and regulations, but @ the end of the Day I respect it,
A citizen should always abide by the laws of the country they are being hosted at, but to Say that these kids are being Brainwashed? I'll give you this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqU76hpJzLg

you go through it, and Although you will not understand a single word, But if you don't connect with the anguish of this girl, the tears and the sadness engulfing her pride, then i'm not sure what would reach you, This is just an example, of a girl who had to witness her whole family being massacred and the Incident is on youtube if you care to check that out even.
and That I don't consider being brainwashed.

Freedom of speech I have no problem with , like all of us here in PnQ, I'm an artist after all I stress my medium as a freedom of expression. What has to be clear here is u gotta draw a line when it comes to offending someone's belief system. Hence, I may depict art that's anti establishment (Bush, Obama, etc) but its not anti average joe American. My fight is against American exceptionalism & imperialism. To add I am a Sunneh Muslim & though I have a different theology & reading of islamic history to that of my Shia bros & sisters my aim is to not offend those that they hold in high regard hence, I don't depict that in my art. It's important that any expression of our so-called freedoms evokes dialogue, a debate & even to a degree criticism but with mutual respect always in mind.

How is it one must ask that questioning the holocaust may invoke a charge of anti-semitism & therefore, a possibility of a prison sentence yet the filthy attack on our Prophet doesn't invoke an anti-Islamic sentiment & the same charge?!

It's a rhetorical question I fully know the reasons behind it so allow me to mask the obvious. It is because it's considered alright with them to be politically correct to the suffering of Jews but not so when it comes to the suffering & offence caused on Muslims. In a word it is hypocritical.

In life, The greatest battle is fought among one's conscious, it's important to reach a resolution. A resolution on so many matters primarily about 'Who am I?!' 'What I believe?!' 'What got me here?!' Not so much 'Where will I end up as oppose to where I want to be?!' Minus all the evolving complexities it brings it is paramount for one to recognise I could have been no other way. That is reaching certainty.

and when someone Questions that of which you are certain of, It plays a filthy melody in your soul,
I doubt any of the Muslims here agree with what have happened, as Me, LP, Norhan, Nema and everyone else is explaining again and again, What I don't see a point of and i'm honestly bugged about, Is even though we acknowledge it, We are faced by misfortunate claims that we come from a radical religion, That is dangerous, and that people who have invaded Iraq, Not Liberated because here there is difference between invasion and liberation
stand by their veiws of how we are lesser than them, Some of these people might not mean it, But go, scroll up, And honestly read this. It's anoying to my eyes as much as it is annoying to yours.

The Real question in here and I would love for everyone to share their believes on this respectfully
How different are the societies that undergo Separation of Religion from state, to the societies that are ruled by a religion
If everyone could post the advantages and disadvantages of thee
you, I and everyone else who even bothered to read this would have a better understanding as to why we differ so much as human beings

peace, love, n happiness

These words are aiming the person who made the movie

Tell that to the families of our ambassadors that are now dead. People who had zero to do with that movie. How does that make sense? Why should they pay they ultimate sacrifice for an idiot who made a movie in poor taste? I stand firm in my belief that the movie is an excuse. The movie was out for 2 months and the attacks were on 9/11 (our time, unsure about over there). Interesting.

^"Tell that to the families of our ambassadors that are now dead."

To this I will add, this story in USA today
http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2008-10-15-beirut-barracks_N.htm
to honor the memory of those who died "fighting for someone else's peace"....

(Only Part of story requoted)
The Marines had come to Beirut as part of a multinational force designed, by its mere presence, to help stabilize Lebanon after years of war there among Israelis, Palestinians and Christian and Muslim Lebanese.

But in April 1983, a van bomb at the U.S. Embassy killed 46, including 16 Americans. Increasingly, Muslim factions associated the Marines with the Christian ones.

The situation changed, but the Marines' orders -- not to appear "warlike" -- did not.

As interpreted by the Marine commanders, the mission precluded fortifications at their compound at Beirut International Airport that might suggest the Marines weren't peacekeepers -- such as a perimeter fence that would stop anything bigger than a car.

Similarly, sentries directly facing the airport were ordered to carry their ammunition on their belts -- not in their rifles -- to avoid an accidental shooting.

Adding to its vulnerability, the compound was surrounded by high ground occupied by Muslim militia artillery. So to Marines leery of gunfire, the compound's sturdy, four-story cinderblock building seemed like a haven.

It turned out to be their tomb on Oct 23, 6.30 a.m.
A suicide bomber detonated his explosives, which were equivalent to 5,400 kg (12,000 pounds) of TNT, the largest known non-nuclear suicide bomb ever built. And who do we have to thank for this incident, Bin Ladin's soulmate's from the Iranian jihadi group, the Islamic Jihad organization. Tell the buried soldiers here of your hate for the American Peacekeepers:
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/terror.htm

Following the 1983 attack, the embassy was moved to a supposedly more secure location in East Beirut. However, on September 20, 1984, another car bomb exploded at this embassy annex, killing twenty Lebanese and two American soldiers.

And I would like to quote what the Jihadi spokesperson and Bin Ladin said then, but out of respect for those Peacekeepers soul's, I will not.
May their souls rest in Peace. Amen!

Tik Tok on the clock, and the wars won't ever stop.
Whoah whoah whoa ohhhhhhhh....

*LOCKED*

A wise person once said to me never argue (esp. with friends) about two things: religion and politics.

A few jokes to humor Helen.

How do you rile a Jew?
Try and muscle him.

A waiter asks a riled Jew
"What will you have sir"
The Jew responding very hungry,
"Is lamb on the menu"

I agree with Colm,

this is a forum to appreciate and help each other, not start world war 3.

Well, I think the freedom of speech and expression is very important, but there should be some rules for things like protest. Like funrals should have the right to remain sacred regardless of the reason of the protest. Let the dead have there peace along witht he families who are currently suffering from the loss. Other than that I feel that non violent self expression is very important. I fight for the right so you can say whats on your mind, please, USE THAT RIGHT.

Censorship should fall on the individual, and for kids, the parents. If you have a 5 year old and let them watch tv, you should monitor what they watch, or what games they play, other then that, no. If something on TV or Youtube offends you, dont watch it, if your upset becouse someone said something you dont like, then talk about it. Dont censor yourself becouse your afraid of offending someone, becouse then you allow others to assume you are weak minded. Be vocal and let others know how you feel about things.

Britt I didn't want to post in this thread again but you just dragged me in
this sentence was for only one thing
I was talking about the people protesting in Australia and the beheading words

and for the ambassador dead in Libya well how many times should I say that I disagree with that act and I consider it wrong??? and I don't like making conclusions Britt but everything is possible

so I am sorry for your ambassador and people who were hurt
you are sorry cause some dumb guy made a crazy video offending my religion and WE ARE ALL GOOD =)

and I echo what Colm said
"A wise person once said to me never argue (esp. with friends) about two things: religion and politics."

and what Darren said
"this is a forum to appreciate and help each other, not start world war 3."

so Peace to all of you =)

And Mods please lock this it is 5 past 100 xD

Edit: David American aren't angels and Muslims aren't demons both are just humans make right things and make wrong things just accept that fact and everything will go right =)