Freed of of Speech?

Well I suck at translation
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No mate....you just suck in general!!!

we have many comics in here which do nothing with religions and they are funny

"Some Muslims went to protest saying that Muslims are no terrorists so they killed the American Ambassador in Libya"
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Did I miss something....wasn't this religious? Anyway....

Just sickening....shakes head and walks away.....

Ok thanks but it isnt my fault that u cant see sarcasm in what I said

I get offended quite often, and Jesus is mocked quite consistently around these parts... Meaning pnq, the internet, tv, media.. the list goes on.

You don't see Christians rioting and killing innocent people. We pray for those people instead.

That joke Max, wasn't funny.. so maybe I'm reading it wrong but it seemed sick. I've gotten offended multiple times here in this thread but I just sigh.

I agree with Nema here, its a bad reaction for sure. People always hate how the media portrays Muslims, I've seen on facebook 'not all Muslims are terrorist, but most terrorists are Muslims'... And this is why people think that. Turning a blind eye to the violence.... Because of a video. One video.. that is a stupid joke in bad humor.

Can people not see how wrong this is? Those people who were senselessly murdered didn't create the video. Why are they, and their families victimized for it? What's happening now are acts of war. That's just sad.

I am pretty sure u read it right and it is normal not to like it not many people like sarcastic jokes cause they miss understand them
here the joke aim for people who killed thd American ambssador as they were supposed to protest for something right but the acted wrong

The latest joke was that Angelina Jolie visited Lebanon (as an ambassador of the UN) dressed in an outfit that's suitable for deserts. She thinks we have camels on the street :P LMAO.

Brit I honestly have to ask because this is a bit Ambiguous to me,

"not all Muslims are terrorist, but most terrorists are Muslims"

Is this a name of a facebook group? Or this is your belief? If it's the latter then I'm disappointed.

Lol LP that's funny. Max, I'm pretty sarcastic myself but it seemed more... Factual? So .. lol idk.

Rabea: "I've seen on facebook 'not all Muslims are terrorist, but most terrorists are Muslims'"

This is what is on a 'meme' thing that is going around on facebook. I don't know if its a group.. again, something I've seen on fb.

Is it ok for radical Muslims to have parades in London calling for anyone who mocks their prophet to be beheaded. Is that ok? They put signs in the hands of their children with these kinds of messages. I'm not making this shit up.

I do not support their freedom of speech any more than I support the Phelps right to spread such horrible hatred at the funerals of dead soldiers.

I know many famous philosophers have stated we must protect the rights of even the most offensive people to speak their hatred, as their rights are our rights and if we shut them down we make it easier to others to silence us. I don't care.

Some people should not be allowed to openly spread pure and utter hatred when we all know it leads to physical violence. If you words fuck up someone else's rights, you don't have the right to do that so you lose your right to speak.

Well they should beheaded first cause if they really want what u just said then they offended him as much cause that is not what our religion guide us
this just make no sense

Why does anyone have to be beheaded? lol I'm laughing because the word. It sounds funny when I say it out loud. Yes, I'm 12. I understand :)

Kevin the Westboro Baptist Church in the US will protest soldiers funerals, and a judge stated they had the right to do so under the 1st amendment, however they were restricted close access - it couldn't be in the facility the funeral was being held or "right" outside it. It's absolutely freakin' digusting, and quite honestly I wish they were 100% shut down. To me, thats not okay.

I have a list of things I wish could be shut down/not protected by freedom of speech, because I think people definitely take it too far. Freedom of speech, I was taught, it about being able to protest or speak against your government/people without worry of revenge. Not to protest soldiers FUNERALS. I don't care if it was a serial killers funeral - funerals should flat be off limits.

Ah! religion.

Always been skeptical about the notion of a mystical being keeping an eye on a group of carbon based, multiple celled, complex life forms, found only on one planet in a stretch of approximately 100 million light years .i.e the visible/observable universe.

Quite often, felt of it as a human devised psychological joke. Even when alone, a human would think twice before acting, worrying about the consequences of being judged harshly in the after life. And if we woke up one day, to realize, no one is watching over us. That would mean a free pass. To do what we want. The guilt shall be eliminated. Our conscience barely interrupting actions. Our morals would be almost meaningless. Ethics simply a word.

Took a few religious books to understand and consider the possibility of the existence of a higher entity, free from the cycles of metaphysical nature. Powerful enough, to not be clutched to the patterns of three dimensional perseverance. Still am trying to join the dots. For example - most religions speak of gods and goddesses that rule the elements of life. We have a god who rules the water body, but then there is Poseidon, the Olympian god of seas in Greek mythology. But how can one kingdom have two rulers? Will continue to study further.

Even so, many of the derived religious implications are manipulated. The society, is all but a cult of hypocrites. Forcing religion and patriotism. The whole "if you are not with us - you are against us" mentality.

It is every man for himself. Truly religious individuals do not seek for validation. Be it their character, faith and more.

In the present society. The freedom of speech is valid as long as it is pleasing. Else, abomination. Majority, does not always mean right.

The thing is, people take Muslims people's faults really seriously without putting in consideration that other people of other religions do horrible things too. They forgive non-Muslim mistakes. It's a fact, no one can argue with that I guess.

How about the Muslims in Burma? I'm quite sure not many Americans/non-Muslims heard about them. How they are being slaughtered and kicked out of their homes under the rain, homeless, just because they are Muslims. See my point? People sympathize with those? They'd probably say "Oh well, most Muslims are terrorists, to hell with that!" No?

This is just saddening.

Can i give you another example? Like Muslims who wear the veil (like myself in my avatar) Has anyone heard about a lady called Marwa Elsherbini? Well, she was a Muslim in Germany who was killed by some Russian guy I think, who hated Muslims. She did absolutely nothing to the guy, and he just killed her because he hated Muslims. Fair?

Now if he hated her because she wore a veil, why wouldn't anyone hate Nuns for wearing it too? And Jews for growing a beard? This is what I mean.

Here's her story btw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Marwa_El-Sherbini

Nema - I hadn't heard about either of those, and I definitely don't agree with that happening. I don't give a crap who you are or what you believe (unless you're a pedophile or serial killer, clearly we have laws for reason lol).. as long as you follow the law.

NO PERSON should take a life. Any life. Muslim, Christian, Jew, Atheist.. there is no excuse for it. And killing in the name of (or because of) religion is a pathetic and disgusting excuse.. again, no matter the religion.

The news I have access to here and hear/watch when it's on only reports on stories when it has to do with America, usually. Unless it's a funny/bizarre story in some random part of the world. Again something the media is terrible at.. man could I make a list of bad media choices.

Freedom of speech should be the comfort of knowing that you will not be endangered for having and voicing an opinion but are responsible enough to not use/abuse that freedom of speech right to say whatever you want. If that makes sense.

So thats kind of exactly what I was trying to say way ^^^, but I ramble too much to make sense.

Men who kill in the name of religion, probably do not even know their own purpose in life.
"Religion is at the root of all evil" may have gone far enough, but the message it carries is powerful and real.
If everyone simply paused and forgot about religion for some time, perhaps half the world's current trouble's will be over.
Nema, it is not only Muslims alone who face persecution in certain countries, every other religion has had that experience from ancient times and many still do in modern times, so that argument may not be valid. It is not only Muslims in Burmah (Myanmar) or Israel, but also Tibetan Buddhists in China, Hindu's in Pakistan, non-Malays (Chinese, Indians and others) in Malaysia, Jews and Christians in Muslim countries (the entire modern history of free Lebanon) and every country which has a religious basis to its constitution, or a religious party/sect in politics.
We need to move beyond pointing fingers at each others faiths, and seek a solution for the long term, not by revenge/avenge, but by demonstrating unity amongst ourselves.....which is what America is all about....a multiethnic, multi-religious, multi-cultural melting pot.

Freedom of speech is a term that gets abused on a regular basis here in NA.

We are blessed with the freedom to express ourselves in many ways - verbally being one of them.

Unfortunately, we abuse this right (which we take for granted) to justify disrespect and malice with utter disregard for the thoughts and feelings of other human beings.

When I say we here, I don't mean EVERYONE, but there are definitely a lot of people who are guilty of this - myself included.

I love the idea of free speech, but like most things it is fundamentally flawed.

If questioning the holocaust is perceived offensive & hence, a basis for being charged anti-semetic then offending that which is most sacred to Muslims should be considered anti-Muslim & open to the same State charge...

I don't have a problem with anyone criticising religion including mine. I think any critique is good providing its done to gain information & remove whatever misconception that is prevalent. That cannot be a bad thing in fact I think counter faith dialogue is not only a necessity but healthy. But when people lured by the anticipation of 'satanic versus fame' proceed to insult its bound to cause civil unrest & sadly countless deaths which is so tragic.

Prophet Muhammad (AS) & his holy progeny were ruled by the greatest of etiquettes. They were treated very badly by the people's of their time but we as Muslims believe Prophet Muhammad (AS) was sent as a mercy on mankind.

There's a famous occasion when Imam Ali (AS) the dearest to the Prophet was engaged in battle with a non-believer & he had his foe disarmed & helpless. The enemy spat in the face of Imam Ali (AS) juz before he could hit the crucial blow.

Imam Ali (AS) immediately walked away from his enemy. So the foe asked "O'Ali why didn't u finish me off?!" Imam Ali (AS) replied: "I only fight in the way of Allah & his Prophet Muhammad. When u spat at me u made me very angry & at that minuet moment it became personal between u & me. Hence, it became a wrong on me to strike u!"

The non-believer said: "If this is the greatness of Muhammad's followers how great must your Prophet be..."

The moral of the story is as Muslims we need try to conduct ourselves with the same highest moral, merits & manner of the Prophet & his close ones. We should be rational & not be ruled by hate for others rather than love of our own. Yes it deeply hurts when people constantly attack our Prophet in this obscene & cruel way but we must always aspire to control our rage. That said people are of all different walks of life with different levels of intellect & knowledge. Some know no other way to reflect their pain & though no one condones violence there's a history of such violent reaction. My point being this was a wicked, vindictive & sly attempt to cause unrest by the orchestrator of the film. There is a law in all so-called civil democratic societies that push for harsh condemnation & sentencing for hate inspired crimes. I feel this needs to be expanded beyond racial hatred but religious hatred. Surely, the instigator of hate literature should be held to account with the same baton. To me that should be across the board though I'd be of the first to support anyone's right to presenting a dissenting view to mine. But when the consequence of filth like this film is based solely on ridicule, offense & wickedness as an intent then those responsible should face the consequence of such actions & not be protected by State under the false grounds of 'freedom of expression.' To me that is juz absurd cos all u are protecting is freedom to abuse others. Recently, the uproar about Kate Middleton is prime example of a double standard. Here a royal who proceeded to bare topless & the pictures are being posted in newspapers in mainland Europe yet not here in the UK on grounds of privacy laws & a unwritten rule to not overstep a injunction. The outrage is disproportionate in media & political circles. One juz has to watch sky news or the bbc to see that. It's like what's the big deal about a film that offends Muslim sensitivity but bordering the unacceptable that the twin peaks of Kate Middleton should be on public display?! The irony.

One man clan

"Hiding under a false blanket of freedom of speech to justify a direct insult to whom we consider the greatest human being to ever roam this earth, what do you expect?
If that is the case then I for one will turn a blind eye to the indiscriminate"

Firstly we don't expect riots and innocent people getting killed, so if you can turn a blind eye to that then mate you have a big problem....

To your religion your prophet means everything, fair enough.. to the billions of other humans that live on this planet, he has no importance at all... zero. Jesus Christ is mocked on a daily basis and has been for years to a much larger degree than your prophet ever has. Do we see riots and deaths because of that, NO.

Lets not pussy foot around this, i'm sick of that, the truth is and you can't sugar coat it. "not all Muslims are terrorist, but most terrorists are Muslims" we are seeing this in Australia. There was a report out recently here that the majority of terrorist activity in Australia involves Muslims.. Why is that? Because we are a western country? We are part of Nato? why. We have thousand upon thousands of people trying to immigrate here, a large portion are Muslim. Yet when they get here a proportion of them want to create trouble, stir up racial and religious hatred. At the riot in Sydney in the weekend, kids of 5 were carrying signs saying "behead those that insult the prophet" what are they going to grow into? full of hatred? Thinking is ok to kill unbelievers?

We are constantly told that the majority of Muslims are peace loving, well where are they ? All we see are the extremists the fanatics causing problems worldwide. Even you who says he's peace loving would turn a blind eye to violence because of some dickhead video on You Tube.....

I don't know where all this is heading but it seems to be gaining momentum, your religion is being run by the extremists and it's not good, there will be more bloodshed, we can all see that...

Somebody in another thread said that Islam is the most dangerous religion on the planet and I would have to agree...

And that sir is freedom of speech, but were I to say that in Jakarta or any other Muslim enclave then I would more than likely be beheaded on the spot....

"The moral of the story is as Muslims we need try to conduct ourselves with the same highest moral, merits & manner of the Prophet & his close ones. We should be rational & not be ruled by hate for others rather than love of our own. "

^ Totally agree, but is that what the reality is today?

The real unanswered question for many of us today is whether the unruly/religious vengeful demonstrations, attacks and chanting against US consulates, burning a US school in Tunisia, destroying and attacking US diplomatic personnel and property were justified by Mr. Nakoula's blasphemous actions or what is an excuse for something else? There are lots of lunatics, deviants and extremists in this world like him, some of who post their content on free media (you tube, Islamic or ultra conservative Christian or Jewish websites). Should we then identify all of these fundamentalists/ideologists and punish them for their anti-Christ or anti-Prophet views and carry out vengeance against their communities, religions/churches and country folks. Should we go out and rid the World from such narrow minded ideologists because in our (not God's opinion they have no right to speak, however evil there word might be? But, there are many like him in this world.
Should they all be segregated, lynched and stoned for blasphemy? Because they insulted our God, religion and faith? Is this the real way to Justice in the literate free world to pursue vengeance in the name of God? Does God really care?
Who is the bigger perpetrator/criminal in God's eyes here, the one who created a controversy or the one/s who decided to kill or maim and destroy property in his name, just because He was insulted? Shouldn't we really ask him first and seek for his permission to commit violence.....I would be really interested to see if he would approve the acts of violence in His name against His own misguided children?

Since I have access to local news, I will give you a little summary on this extremist from what I heard on the local TV news over the last several days....
Mr. Nakoula Basseley Nakoula aka Sam Bacile is a Coptic Christian (a very peaceful community of Orthodox Egyptian Christians...church originally founded in Egypt). It is believed that another well known fundamentalist cleric (not Coptic) introduced him to his radical views, not his original church. He was first an Israeli citizen and then immigrated to the US, after being schooled abroad. He was indicted in credit card bank fraud in 2010 and was on probation (a known criminal) with his probate terms very specifically prohibiting him from going online using any means. He very likely violated these terms when he made this film, and is currently under investigation for this violation. The actors/actresses in the film had no knowledge that he had inserted anti-Islam clips without anyone's permission. They were not even told of the deviation in the storyline. Once they found out, they were horrified of what he did, and are now suing him. His film made several months ago was never approved for large scale screening by the Film board, so it found its way to the internet. It was on the internet for a few months, until 9/11 came around and then several 100's of gunmen attacked the Libyan consulate....was this spontaneous outpouring of emotions or was it a staged event by the Bin Ladin inspired fundamentalist group in Libya to recreate a mini 9/11 to show to America, that 9/11 is not yet done?
I also watched on TV the people, some of them dressed in cleric clothing, in the Sydney demonstration chanting "Obama, Obama we love Osama"...which simply amazed me?
Did Obama or Americans or the Christian or Jewish faith inspire Mr. Nakoula, a religious fanatic himself? Did they permit him to put it on You tube? So now, we should really go out and show to America how much we hate them for our ignorance, poor state of affairs to have a functioning democracy and how much we love our religion?

I think a real soul searching is in order here. Should we be taking non-threatening anti- religious views of an imbecile to justify an attack on America or its diplomatic representatives or citizens, whose presence today in the Middle East is solely for ensuring Peace ? OR should we be really making all attempts to demonstrate to the World that we intend to be its peaceful Citizens, and thank it for supporting Peace, Liberty & Freedom...the forever lost Arab dream?

Nicko, I'm honestly puzzled @ what you want me to say, I mean, My race alone has been getting the fine edge of the chop for the past 60 years and I don't see you blinking an eye, So much like I, you have a problem too, And then, You come to me with this staggering ignorant no proof supported statement that most of the terrorists are Muslims, How authentic is your news report, and how did they undergo such a study? how many decades were they referring to?
if you're willing to blatantly spit venomous ignorance that has no point but to murder our message, Then you might as well back it up, yeah?

Who started the first world war ? Muslims ? Who started the second world war ? Muslims ? Who killed about 20 millions of Aborigines in your BELOVED AUSTRALIA Muslims ?? Who sent the nuclear bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ? Muslims ?? Who killed more than 100 millions of Indians in North America ? Muslims ?? Who killed more than 50 millions of Indians in south America ? Muslims ?? Who took about 180 millions of African people as slaves and 88% of them died and was thrown in Atlantic ocean ? Muslims ?? No , They weren't Muslims!!! First of all, You have to define terrorism properly... If a non-Muslim do something bad..it is crime. But if a Muslim commit same..he is terrorist... So first remove this double standard...then come to the point!!!
I sometimes wonder if you even comprehend what terrorism is?
Terrorism:The systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

Terror, is violent or destructive acts
Such as bombing committed by groups in order to intimidate a population,
Or government into granting their demands

So what is it that makes an indiviusal a terrorist? And Does that link to Muslims more than It does to Jews or Christians? Not only in Australia but anywhere in this world?
(It's like the definition didn't ever exist
I guess it's all just depending who your nemesis is
Irrelevant how eloquent the rhetoric peddler is
They're telling fibs, now tell us who the real terrorist is)
ask my honest opinion and I would say it's the effect of Embedded Journalism.

Do I need to educate you about your own history? to my knowledge and i'm sure yours, there is a good amount of history that you would like to keep unmentioned, But I have to mention Iraq, Because if you haven't learned from an incident that happened not more than a couple of years ago then it dazzles me as to where and how are you going to learn from history?

It's a bit unclear to me, as to who is trying to sugar coat what, Because Reading your post shows of a good amount of Dislike, I mean you clearly stated that my religion is the most dangerous one. So what further point Do you feel the need to prove?

Excuse for something else? Lonely soul, We as either Arabs or Muslims are slaughtered on Daily basis, And we don't even blink,
Belive me When I say that the seen of someone who's brutally murdered is very normal in our households, Such circumstances have become 2nd nature in a lot of our countries, And this stupid Arab spring have changed nothing, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Yemen and all the other ongoing cycles will continue to live through the backlash, It has put us 100 years to the back and we have a lot to match the 1st world countries to say @ the least.

We also have become masters of Lip service talkers, The only thing we are good @ is condemning, And shouting slogans and insults, we have lost the essence as to what even makes us true Muslims, OR even True men.
and you are here wondering if this was planned to show Americans that WE're not done with them?

What do you think we are? a bunch of stupid people that only wants to give Your government more and more reasons to be present in our soils?
God forbid! nooo, We have had it and We don't want your Peace, As it comes with more prices to pay, Which you don't seem to understand but I'm tired of pointing it over and over

and Then, The issue of cussing Christ,
Why Do you expect us Muslims to be more forgiving just because you are? I don't even see the common sense in this, I mean, If you Drift away from your religions due to whatever reasons as the so called Freedom of speech, Then why do we have to undergo the same thing? Does it make Us less human or make you more human that you're more accepting? Noo it doesn't
In Islam, It's forbidden to cuss or make fun of Any Prophet, Jesus, Moses and Ibrhaim and everyone alike.

One man clan

mate you read, but with your eyes only... instead of jumping to mad conclusions I suggest you go and read what I wrote again, and I mean really read it. That peripheral stuff about the Indians the Second World War and Aborigines etc is of no consequence to what we are discussing here and lord knows where you got all your millions from

"We as either Arabs or Muslims are slaughtered on Daily basis, And we don't even blink"

^And may I ask, are these slaughterers Americans, or Australians or British? Or are these the very people who were Bin Ladin's soulmate's? Isn't the only real reason the Peace forces stayed so long in Iraq after Saddam was because Al Queda and Iranian agents had heavily infitrated a recently liberated country to bring it in its (fundamentalist) influence?

".. And this stupid Arab spring have changed nothing, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Yemen ..."
^ So, was the Arab spring a creation of America or the West, or the realization of students and bright young people in the Middle East that it is time to overthrow the tyranny of Kings, dictators and clerics yielding political power (eg Iran). Yes, the ideology of Freedom was never mistaken, but the people who participated have yet to succeed in liberating themselves from AlQueda (jihadi's) and like groups or religious fanatics killing their own people to take power by force, not by democratic means (a vote). So what if relgious fanatics try to force themselves in power, are the very roots of democratic movement of the Arab spring dead? See how closely religion is tied in this all....and where religious enmities exists, a democracy will not take easy roots. Does that mean we should blame the West, for our failures? Or should we not try again, afresh and see what is the real root cause of our failure to secure freedom?

Here is a reality joke:

One day, a few years ago, a retired marine was talking to me in my office. He said for many years after WW II, we Americans were proud to keep our head up and our presence was respected the World over. When we walked on foreign soil, people will cheer and chant our presence, viva la America, the great liberator.

But, when I last walked on Middle East soil, I was told to keep my head low (=duck), for if I was ever recognized to be an American, I will be surely shot at!

What an irony!

Today, in this PnQ battlefield, I too feel like like a sitting duck.....in this crossfire going on, and it is best I follow the marine's advice and keep my head low, or else I risk my head to be blown off for raising the voice of Peace in unsettled lands. :)

First, David, the last part of your post sounds very rude. Even if you masked it with irony, as I said up up above, it is still rude.

"when I last walked on Middle East soil, I was told to keep my head low (=duck), for if I was ever recognized to be an American, I will be surely shot at!"

^ Who's the idiot who said he should duck?

I sometimes notice that 1st worlders in general have this weakness in mind... like some kind of dumbness... lol... really... If your media shows you that we behead and kill and cause grotesqueness, then you believe that? You are being lied to so very much.

Here is a story I heard yesterday from the daughter of a big Lebanese Christian politician.

I was in France with a group of multi-national people. I told them let's visit Lebanon, it's beautiful and stuff. When they came here, a French man asked:

Where are the camels? All I could see is streets and cars and building... And, you have a Night Life? That's weird.

LMAO.

The moral of the story is, in order to know what are people like, you SHOULD STOP being affected by your TV channels at most.

Because what you are being told are all LIES.

Same story with my friend who was an exchange student last year in the YES program. The host family started asking him DUMB questions... Why? because their TV channels show that so... Too bad, you are not willing to step out of your lustrous shell to our 'bloody' one, haha...

If your media shows you that we behead and kill and cause grotesqueness, then you believe that?
^^^^^

http://rt.com/news/child-protest-sign-violence-323/

This wasn't the media 'saying'anything...this was a four year old child who obviously didn't write that banner up himself!

Also...and 8 year old girl has given a speech in Sydney to 600 muslims...

"My dear brothers and sisters in Islam, as the world gathers against the believers in Syria ... seeking to hijack our sincere and blessed uprisings, children in Sydney would like to send their message of hope and support to the Muslims of (Syria), especially to the children and mothers,"

"These uprisings have demonstrated that this umma (global Muslim community) is alive and well, her love is for jihad, she is unshackled herself from the fear which she held, and she yearns to once again live under the banner of (the Islamic state).

"Children as young as myself can be seen on the streets joining the uprisings, risking their lives to bring food, water and medicine to their wounded family members, some of them never returning to their mothers ... Nobody is too young," she said.

I doubt she wrote that all by her eight year old self and....just as well she lives in Australia BTW...doubt if she'd be allowed on a stage if she lived elsewhere....being female.

I remember years ago we used to have the mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses bashing on our doors....the mormons always came in pairs of 2..always male....the JW's put there children up front and spoke over them....I never had any time for them...the mormons well...I told them I wasn't intersted but....I gave them a glass of water...

Again.. you make bigger fuss on unworthy things... and nothing over the blood we spill. If that banner made you feel horrible, then check this. And I AM NOT SURE if you will blink an eye, anyway:

http://gisfilms.org/images/pic_05.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/slambert/225856910/

http://www.nowpublic.com/israeli_children_sends_gifts_to_lebanese_children_midle_east_1

> Regarding that kid in the photo you showed me..... wow.... I was so afraid you know :S

> And regarding the links I posted above... Those are gifts sent to us :) Lovely, eh? I hope no one on earth, Hellon, sends you such gifts. Because believe me, fear will kill you more than that banner did. lol

I've seen this missiles you are talking about in south Lebanon live! Or the scraps and what remains of them.
And nightlife in Lebanon is world class bro
Rated top 10 worldwide.

The moral of the story will always be the same ya aboudie
We are lesser people who only seek to spread havoc and chaos everywhere we roam
The fear some people have from us is very valid
And easily spotted in the posts of lonely soul and others.

Hang on....I was answering something you said...

If your media shows you that we behead and kill and cause grotesqueness, then you believe that?
^^^^

This is what I was answering....backed up with a photograph of a 4 year old child calling for such!!!!

I'm going to stick with this for them moment....the child did not write the banner...the 8 year old did not write her speech....neither child could possible comprehend what they were about....

Oh they are probably being mind controlled and soothed to operate a bombing somewhere in the near future
It's our purpose to brain wash our people you know

That's where it ends

And those kids writing their names + Sincerely on the missiles didn't do that by themselves!!!!

YOU CANNOT COMPARE, HELLON.
The thing you are talking about is ZERO, is NULL compared to what I showed you...................

Anyway... why I am still discussing this with you? you are too flat to understand.

Oh God, give me a break. If I'm talking to a stone, it would have felt.

Bye Bye. Have an awesome day. I will send you a million kisses your way.

Rabia

I would say the fist part of your sentence has a lot of truth in it..the second part...I sincerely hope not. My point...these children are being used...secondly...we have laws in Australia to protect our children from this and....the mother of the child with the banner is being questioned by authorities right now!

"My point...these children are being used..."

^ EXACTLY....... Those kids are being USED in KILLING me, my sisters, my brothers, my parents.

:)

And you don't give a damn. Aha Aha Aha. You just care about that banner with some scribbles on. PATHETIC.

This is called Hypocrisy.
Duplicity.
This is a fraud.

I hope you won't ever taste that, Hellon ;)

If it had been childish scribbles I certainly wouldn't give a DAMN....but they were not and....beheading is not allowed here in Australia.....these kids are both living here...for all I know they were probably born here so...abide by the rules of said country....and...if you're to young to know the rules....sit in your pram like a good boy...

What was the thread title again??
oh yeah freedom of Speech

Hellon
you know the words that say
"don't make somebody angry to judge him" ?
guess not well that video made some people angry and now you are judging what they are doing while they are angry
you should look to the action then look at the reaction

and somebody said what means that "our prophet means everything to us and means nothing to others" I totally agree with that he also said what means that "Cristian beliefs were mocked before and nothing happened" and I agree too
but when our prophet means everything to us why would u mock him while knowing that????
then you need to provoke us and many people were provoked and it caused the tragedy going on right now

Yes....that's what this thread is about true but....the four year old?...I doubt if he could read it let along comprehend the meaning...the 8 year old...no way she wrote that speech so....freedom of speech when you know what your saying ...comprehend what you're saying and are adult enough to acknowlege the consequences then yes....it's the right of the individual.

have you also heard the saying.....turn the other cheek....

Why u so sure of it??
I know 8 year old boy who write better speeches that both of us for sure

don't judge by age Hellon it is of no matter now
and I agree with you in the 4 year old kid he noway know what he is holding and if there is a law in your country that prohibit that then it can go on the parents

but let me ask you something
why you at some part said that if we don't like the movie and find it offencive then we should ignore it
why don't you ignore the angry words uttered by these people and banner with beheading words if you find them offensive??

Well....I still have my doubts that an 8 year old could write this speech without assistance but...have it your way.

I stated further up that the mother of the boy with the poster is being questioned by authorities in Australia at the moment...I don't know the outcome.

but let me ask you something
why you at some part said that if we don't like the movie and find it offencive then we should ignore it
why don't you ignore the angry words uttered by these people and banner with beheading words if you find them offensive??
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We are not allowed to behead in this country (thankfully) so...for someone in my country to ask for all people who mock the prophet to be beheaded is of major concern to me!