Is JEsus Real

So I bite my thumb at you sir

haha u quoted shakespeare. just thought i'd point that out....

There's no magnificence in your soul whatsoever is there? Oh sorry, I forgot, you don't have one.

Henry VIII wanted a divorce, he already had power.

What about the Egyptians, Aztecs, Olmecs, Greeks, Norse and Romans, and so on. Do their religions not count in the argument? They had Gods before that so maybe we should be worshipping Thor or Apollo, Jupiter, Anubis or Coyolxanuhqui, maybe Extopalopaketle.

You totally ignore the fact that Christianity stems from Judaism as well. Any reason for that?

As JPM's seems a bit apathetic towards spelling today I'll chip in:

It's YOUR, BEFORE, BECAUSE, ENFORCE, CHRISTIANITY'S and WHO. Is it so difficult to at least appear intelligent through the simple premise competent spelling so that your argument might carry legible weight?

Other premises include proper nouns or pro-nouns: God, Hindu, Hinduism, Jews, England, Muslims, Buddhism and Buddha.

Love and hugs,

Bert

Amen Teys, amen bro.

no one ever said u have to prove wut u believe teys. thats y its wut u believe not wut u know. bcuz even though u may say u know, u still only believe that u know, u know? (haha that was sort of annoying) but no matter wut u try to prove about ur religion or ur beliefs, like i said before, it alwayz get to a point where its just wut u choose to believe and wut u cant ever prove

"how could the bible not be true? simple; no-one alive is here to tell us it was."

I'm alive, and I'm telling you it is true.

"UR god says he is the soul being, yet how come he is such a NEW coming into this race for religion domination. buddhism hav been around for over 2500 years (compared to christianities 2000). hinduism likewise; it was first followed around 1000 BC (bout 3000 years ago)."

By the way, it's YOUR...

Anyway, God isn't a new thing. He's been around for quite some time now. Go just back as for as Martin Luther. Not only that, but God has been around longer than that. Since the beginning of time, I'd say. That beats the crap outta 3000 years ago.

"god was said to inforce this battle, he was said to support it and was said to lead it. for a god hu gives free will he sure is demanding hmm?"

By the way, it's ENFORCE.

For one, I don't believe in Free Will (that's a different topic) but even so, you don't make much sense.

I don't ever remember God advocating "Holy Wars." You keep saying, "He was said, He was said," Who said it? I'd like to see.

Besides, He's God, He's allowed to make demands.

~Ciao Lipton

The bible was written by men there is no one alive who saw jesus live
People say they have faith and thats how they know but having faith is different to knowing
Nobody actually KNOWS
People have faiths and believe but thats different

i believe that God is real
but i also believe that he hates me
and is like trying to amke me get hurt them laughs at me
i believe that he created me so he could get his laughs in
he just wnts to se how much a human can take
im his little experiment

Yes, the Bible was written by men... but they were men inspired directly by God.

That's what faith is, is believing in the unseen. So, in a sense, KNOWING the unseen is faith in it. Do you get what I'm getting at? If you believe in something strong enough, you feel as if you KNOW it happened/will happen.

You're right, no one actually knows... That's why it's faith.

~Ciao Lipton

Caris: Ever hear about Job? God let Satan do unimaginable things to him, (save death) and yet God blessed Job afterward with double his goods.

He was testing Job's faith.

~Ciao Lipton

Yes true, If you believe in something strong enough you feel like you know but you dont actually know, No-one knows until we die and people who do know are dead so cant tell us.
Basically, If there are so many religions and everyone from each religion believes their religion is right and the others are wrong doesnt that say something. There is no proof of god, The bible is not proof, Jesus was a real man but there is no proof he was the son of god

i wa sdoing good
and everything was great
but now he picks on me
!!!
i hate it

Knowing no one knows and believing all the same is the true sign of faith.

Yes it is but why is it right to judge others on their beliefs just because you have faith in yours, I have no problem with people being religious and what I said earlier is the reason I am not religious however I have a lot of religious friends who are constantly pressuring me and being cruel to me because I do not believe in jesus,

I love a nice controversial topic

caris, i think ur just a complainer. do u know how many people have it way worse than u? u have a computer so u must have a house and clothes and food everyday. and ur not locked up in the basement so u have parents who care about u. at least more than a lot of other parents out there. it sounds like ur just seeking attention like a lot of other kids these days. 'o im depressed the world hates me.' get over urself.

People do have harder lives than her yes, But it is hard to imagine someone elses life and it is no comfort to know other peoples lives are worse, It is our own lives that make us feel down, not someone we have never met even if it is terrible

I believe Faith is a sign of lack of logical reasoning and facts. I don't expect anyone in here to prove to me that anything exists, except maybe the letters they use to communicate with me. But when asked about God's existence, the reasons they [you guys, Lipton and Bret and Plain] give are so weak logically I feel like laughing and, or crying.

The mystery of faith is the ultimate get out clause, manufactured by the church to confuse the common people. It works like this;

If you don't have it[faith], then you won't get it[God], and you can't ever understand God unless you get it[faith]. So in simple terms, God don't make sense until you have faith, and then he doesn't need to make sense because you believe in him so much.

Thats a hoot! Mwa ha! I'd like to shake the hand of the smart ass who came up with that one....Pure trickster genius.

I've gotta go, there's and inner voice a'calling.

ya i know but thats y this world is so messed up. people have to start thinking about others u know? and i dont know y im being so mature right now... but anywayz. i know that i start to feel bad sometimes but u cant go to a point of saying that God hates u. think about the whole world that God is watching over. and thats where other people come in. she thinks that shes the only one that has problems. theres a whole world out there, so she should stop thinking about herself so much.

Katie, ask them for forgiveness.. they are Christian afterall.

Whilst having extraordinary faith and being certain Jesus was not only real, but the son of God, I do not agree with organised religion. I think it helps as medium for raising children in a stable environment and I also think it is the waning of organised religion that has the teenage generation in such a mess. There is no stable environment as an institution for children anymore. So in that respect I think organised religion has advantages that heavily outweigh any detrimental or adverse disadvantages.

Kevin, put simply, faith isn't logical; it just is.

You either have it or you do not.

If faith was about pure logic I wouldn't have faith either.

And by the way, I do not subscribe to any Church, so my faith is personal. explain that away.

There are so many different religions, each person believes their own religion is right and everyone elses is wrong, All have different holy books claiming to tell the truth, All people in each religion think other religions are wrong?

Just cause you have a hard life doesn't mean that Jesus isn't real that's like saying that becuase there are fires there are no firemen. We have hard lives because we don't trust and belive in Jesus. And even when you do you will always have hard times. Men are sinnful and because of that we have to suffer. So to answer the question yes Jesus is real and just because you don't beileve it doesn't mean that he is not. Just cause people used to say the world was flat didn't make it flat. It's the same thing truth is truth no matter what.

Jesus is a part of many religious faiths...Islam, my chosen faith for example however as I mentioned earlier he is not God nor God in the flesh, by just saying this is blaspheme...there is one true God - Allah - however Jesus was a messenger of God in our faith, he was here just like Mohummed (Final messenger) to bring the word of God...

ok

ok

i know i am a complainer
but again
you are not me

so

you dont know what i have been thru
you would complain to

OF COURSE JESUS IS REAL. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

Logic is the way humans describe everything.

This happens because that happens.

The thing that throws many people off is:

Faith is not logical.

God is not logical.

These things are not tethered by scientific reasoning, and logic. If they were, then they would be perfectly understandable by everyone. If God were logical, then He would be human. He would have some sort of bounds, because everything logically has a beginning or end. God has neither.

Logic can't explain the illogical.

Tell me this: Where does infinity stop? Where does it begin? Once you answer those questions, maybe I'll listen to scientific reasoning.

~Ciao Lipton

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Would you find BITCH in God's personal dictionary??

Just wondering....

I dont think God likes the word, nor do I think on judgement day he will refer to anyone as one

Work on the language, ladies, Jesus is listening. He just told me how dissapointed he is....

;)

Just because YOU believe in Jesus doesnt mean he is so dont say, just because you dont believe doesnt mean he is, There are SO many different religions how do you KNOW, having FAITH and KNOWING are different things

you're right having faith and knowing are two different things.....yes there are many different religions but most of them are based around the same concept. Everyone has their own opinion on what it's going to be like when they die..........We'll all find out some day.

Katie: Please state who you are responding to. It doesn't make much sense.

And just because YOU don't believe Jesus/God ever existed, doesn't mean it's true.

~Ciao Lipton

Jennifer: ???

1) Who are you talking to?
2) Argumentus Ad Hominem

~Ciao Lipton

Lipton,
AAAGH I KNOW, What I was saying was just because YOU believe doesnt mean you are right and that you have the right to tell everyone else theyre wrong, I dont know, I never said I did, read all my posts

Also to EVERYONE, evolution has been proven to occur, If everyone comes from adam and eve WHERE did the different races come from, if they were both two different races where did all the others come from???? hmmm?

katie yor argument is getting no where. Lipton could say just the opposite back to you, and then you would say the same thing you just said. Grow up. Those kind of arguments just go on forever.

Katie:

I don’t believe in the Bible, but I believe that there are enough logical ways to attack it that you don’t have to dig so deep to prove it wrong.

For the sake of playing devils advocate, if we DID in fact come from Adam and Eve, we adapted to climates throughout evolution, like JPM said. Darker races are a product of melanin, a tool of evolution. Their skin is permanently pigmented because they lived their lives in the sun, whereas light skinned races lived in colder climates and had more protection from the sun because of their habitats or the climate of the areas.

Also, the Bible is not all factual, it is interpreted and figurative. You have to be able to decipher from what is biblical FACT and what never happened as it was described.

Now lets go on to some logical reasons why the Bible could be wrong:

1. It was written by humans, and humans make mistakes. The word of God was interpreted, not written by him.

2. We dont know what was written down just after Jesus died, much of it was not written until a couple hundred years AFTER, so much of it could be heresy or not factual.

3. It happened over 2000 years ago, we have no reason to believe that it wasn’t just a huge ploy developed by Catholicism to control the mass populace, for control and power, that got out of hand and has worked out beautifully for them.

The Bible is LEGEND and FANTASY just like any other book is that you could pick up off of the shelf today.

Just because beliefs are generally accepted does not mean that they are correct or that people are not being fooled, on the contrary it is documented history that religion was used as a means of control and power, and that was its purpose for development.

The Bible is also the only source to make its claims. All of its claims are fully self supporting, and there are no facts or reasons to believe its word unless you full heartedly believe it, and think that the consequences that it offers you for NOT doing so will, in fact, occur, if you do not follow its word.

The whole establishment (Church and religion in general) is based upon fears, consequences, and rewards for the unknown. It is a psychologically poisoning mind control system that puts barriers on peoples search for spirituality, and plays off of people’s fear of the unknown.

The system is still working beautifully today. Genius.

See how many logical reasons there are to disprove the likelihood of the Bible being factual without having to reach?

Amen Kaitlin, once again our marriage is on the cards...or at least a Pagan handfasting lasting only one night.

Who cares whether Jesus was real? Will it make you butter your toast differently in the morning? Even if it could be proven either way, anyone who believes in God now would still believe in him if Jesus as a historical figure was exposed as a scam, this discussion and many thousands like it are proof of that. The only person who is going to change my and your beliefs is you and me, unless that is you are deprogramed by a cult using force.

I'm all done with this debate. I think this and you think that. I'm ok your ok.

Kaitlin:

I have no idea how many times I've said this (not in this topic alone, but anyway)...

Yes, man did write the Bible. However, those men were inspired by God. In other words, God told them what to write. Nothing was put into the Bible without God allowing it to.

~Ciao Lipton