Is JEsus Real

no he isnt

because i have a crap life......................so there

yes

Scientist have proven that there was a man believed to be the prophet existed. Whether he did all those miracles or not is a different story, but like Just Plain Me said, the man was real.

If you want my thought on it, yes, he is real (in spirit anyway).

He is, if you want him to be.

-Laura.

Doesn't he play centre half for Mexico?

Jesus is only as real as you make him.

He is only as big a part of life as you make him.

Jesus only matters to the people who believe in his existance.

Post life, who knows? No one can answer the question for us without doubt.

Faith, Jesus is faith based. That is the only realm in which he exists.

I believe Jesus is real. Jesus IS and WAS God come in the flesh. Meaning that he is God. The Godhead consists of three persons, God the Father, God the Son(Jesus), and God the Holy Spirit. Its like a clover. One plant with three leaves.
God gives us trials to strengthen our faith. He never gives HIS children anything they cannot handle (we can't handle anything without Christ).
I believe in something called the Doctrines of Grace. Now don't get me wrong I'm not a Hypercalvanist other wise I would not even be telling you guys this. Calvanists use the acustic TULIP to help remember the Doctrines of Grace. The L stands for limited atonement. Meaning that God selected only a few of us that will go to heaven to be with him. This means that not all of the people that claim to be Christians really are. Those that think they can just walk the walk and say a little prayer and they're alright with God are WRONG. Someone like this always think that they are alright with God and don't need to do what His Word says. This is where perseverance of the saints comes in. Without perseverance there is no salvatioin, without salvation there is no perseverance.
Any questions, arguments? I have done my homework and have scripture written down that supports this view.

Oh, and Jesus is real, yes.

Whether you believe in God or not, Jesus Christ did actually walk the earth. Jesus was a real man. Now, as far as Him being the Son of God or not, I totally think He was. How else could a "mortal man" rise from the dead after being dead for three days? (just one of the many miracles)

~Ciao Lipton

Jesus was real but saying he is God in my religion is blaspheme

Jesus was a prophet a messenger from God - not God.

Eirisa

For those of you who think I'm a part time Christian there is NO SUCH THING. You are either for Him or against Him. I am for Him 24/7, morning and evening, night and day. I would greatly appriciate it if people that do not even know me would not try to act like they do. I apologize for my frankness and boldness, but I am just being who I am.

yes, i agree. i'm for Jesus 24/7. I love him so much. If you look around u can just tell that somebody had to create all that, it couldn't have happened with just some sorta stupid "big bang". and look katie, everyone sometiems feels like they have a "crap life" but come on, it's the way God teaches u, by putting you through hard times. so give Him a chance:)

Anne Conner, (no offense, I'm just wondering) are you Mormon? They are the only religion I've ever heard of that refer to the "Trinity" (as most religions call it) as the "Godhead".

What happened to Amber Yano*~Aka Snuggle Muffen~? She started the post, but hasn't said more than a few comments.

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Believing in Jesus doesn't make you Christian because, there are tons of religions out there. Jesus is a part of most of them. And if you disbelieve in Jesus, there are religions out there where Jesus isn't a part of them.

Ok, I'm done now. Just wanted to point out a few things.

no i dont think he does. im not trying to start something its just my belief.

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lv ya xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Having a sense of humour does not affect one's stance on religion.

sense of humour lol

Robyn,

You're wrong. Every person who subscribes to the belief as Christ as their savior is CHRISTIAN.

There are many Christian sects, which are referred to as specific religions, and then they branch off into their own sects, but they are all Christian based if they involve Christ as the savior.

Even New Age or metaphysical people are considered "Christian" if they still believe in him.

Look it up in the dictionary.

but Kaitlyn, you added a couple words that Robyn did not... "as their savior"

simply believing that He existed doesn't make you a Christian... after all, even the devil and his demons believe (and tremble!)

(oh, yes, I beleive He is real)

You either believe in Jesus or you dont.

Very few people believe in Jesus and his accomplishments and what he stands for if they dont think he was their savior.

If you believe in Jesus, as in the Jesus that we all know about (as our savior, the cross, the whole bit) then you are Christian.

That is the dictionary definition, I believe anyone who sees him as a spiritual diety of any kind is Christian, whether they think he died for our "sins" or not, but thats my personal opinion.

No Robyn Park I am not a Mormon. lol. I am a Reformed Baptist although originally I was part of the more common, Southern Baptist denomination.
You are right believing in Jesus (the man) does not make you a Christian. He has to do the work in you before you are even willing to come to Him.

Yeah, the whole deletion thing sucks! No one knows what the hell I said, so all those posts saying I'm right or wrong don't make sense.

But, Katilin, like Ann Marie said, I never said they believed him to be their savior, or anything about the cross and all that. I just said that just because you believe in Christ, it doesn't make you Christian. Which is true. Not all religions that believe in God, believe Christian beliefs. Not all religions believe that Christ was the son of God, or that he was a miracle worker. Not all religions believe that he died on a cross, or at least they don't make a big deal out of it (Mormons, for one, don't think it is something that should be focused on)

I looked up every religion I could think of, and none of them said anything about being branches of Christianity. They all believe in a god(gods), but that was pretty much the only similarity. I looked it up...what was it I was supposed to find?

Religions that recognize Christs accomplishments are Christian, and generally people who believe in Christ at all are Christian, because they follow him more than anyone else. If other people follow other legendary gurus, they would be considered followers of them, and not Christian.

Thats all.

I dont think Christ existed, therefor I am not Christian, but anyone I know who believes that he existed at all IS. Thats just my opinion, again.

Why would you believe in everything he did and not be a follower of his word? Because if you believe it, then it is a sin not to follow him. It doesnt make sense.

"There are many Christian sects, which are referred to as specific religions, and then they branch off into their own sects, but they are all Christian based if they involve Christ as the savior."

"Every person who subscribes to the belief as Christ as their savior is CHRISTIAN."

The dictionary definition is "everyone who TRIES to follow his teachings and example"

I think thats CLASSIC, considering someone called someone a "fake" Christian earlier (or something to that affect), and you cant be. You either believe in him and follow his word, or you dont. Whats so hard about that?

People get picky about the word because they feel like they are entitled to judge Jesus' word over any other religious group or person, but they arent.

It pisses me off that someone even started a post about such a topic. Theres so much convercity on this whole topic in the world now-a-day. It pisses me more off when people come here and question someones motives on their beliefs.. arg.. cant we all live in peace and all get along!

Everyone has been really respectful on this thread, actually.

You should have seen some of the other theological discussions, there have been a lot worse ones on P&Q. Trust me.

Madison: How cliche it is to ask for world peace.

No, we can't get along. Why? Because I believe this way, and you believe that way. It wouldn't work. If it would, then we'd already have it figured out now.

As for the worst discussions, yes. I am actually very surprised we've made it to 4-odd posts without someone flaming someone else, and then that someone flaming back and making a mess of the forum.

~Ciao Lipton

Yes, I know that we all cant live in world peace, but wouldnt it be nice? And i guess my post works for all the other religious posts out there. I dont understand why someone would post such a question, which would have so much negitive feedback

I believe that even if he wasn't as good as the bible says, he was a very very very good man. xxx

believe wot u will, but personally i rekon Jesus was another ploy to enhance the christian domination...and it worked hey?

Another ploy? Jesus?

Wouldn't he be the ONLY ploy? Dolt.

Your argument was convincing for a while....

Shame you had to turn it sour with the last statement.

Actually, his argument lost my interest after the first line.

Yes, the Bible was written by men... but they were men inspired directly by God (IE, God sort of told them what to write.)

Based off of your argument, how can we believe anything? How can we believe anything in history class, or anything like that? It's all human accounts isn't it? Well...

"... man (us) hav ruined this earth more than anything in existance. how is it that we can believe that a book, writen by man, could be true?"

A man wrote my history book.

A man wrote another man's biography.

A man wrote an autobiography.

Everything is written by man... So, going with your logic, it must all also be...
1) A lie
2) Or debated to death, because no one knows if it's really true or not.

~Ciao Lipton

"to all u believers; god gave you free will; life freely and willingly, do not waste away praying to he hu cannot be seen or heard in hope he will actually answer those prayers and all will be better. rape and murder are but two things which ur gods let happen and occur on a regular basis."

This is so funny...

God gave us free will...

Therefore, I choose to believe He doesn't exist, and that His book, the Bible is false.

Even though God gave me free will.

It's like your friend saying to you, "I give you the choice to believe I exist or not," and then you say, "Fine, you don't exist." and walk away.

Also, rape and murder happen because people deny that God exists. If everyone were to believe God existed, and whatnot, then everyone would also know, "Thou shalt not commit murder," and "Thou shalt not commit adultery."

"ghostly beings cannot affect the living directly; so why do so many of you allow them to?"

This is funny to. You contradict yourself. Read it slowly, and you'll see why.

Oh, and God's not a ghost.

~Ciao Lipton

lipton, I definitely agree with you.

teys,

A controdiction to read something compared to the Christians duty to our God is nothing.

God speaks to us through His Word.

Can you see the wind. Obviously its not real since you have to see it to believe in it. We can only see the effects of the wind and we can only see what God does.

The life of Jesus was seen by man. His disciples wrote an autobiography about him in the Bible, yet all of the sudden the Bible is not true? Sounds kind of wierd doesn't it?

Our God conjured up? He has been here since the begining of time, teys. Before any human was alive. If what you say is true who "conjured Him up."

I will pray God will open your eyes. I am sorry nothing we say will sway you.

Anne

1. That's not a contradiction. Had it been a contradiction, I would have said, "I stopped reading after the first line."

2. God speaks to us through His word, as Anne has said.

3. What about how our founding fathers got here? Ancient civilzations like the Aztecs and the Mayans? They weren't taped. Are they lies, to?

4. I'm glad you know what a biography/autobiography is. However, most of an autobiography (at least 98% of one) must be truth.

5. God was never conjured up. He's always existed. Don't come back saying He was conjured up, because
a) I will come back and say He always existed,
b) It's wasting your life, and mine.

6. Learn how to spell. You'll, not only look more intelligent, but I'd be able to understand what you're saying better. Anyway...

"ghostly beings cannot affect the living directly; so why do so many of you allow them to?"

Read it slowly... If ghosts cannot affect us, then the bit after your little semi-colon is a contradiction. If so many people are affected by ghosts, as you say, then ghostly beings CAN affect the living directly.

~Ciao Lipton

yes, Jesus was real. but i dont believe he was the son of God or God himself, for many logical reasons.

and Lipton, you said:

Whether you believe in God or not, Jesus Christ did actually walk the earth. Jesus was a real man. Now, as far as Him being the Son of God or not, I totally think He was. How else could a "mortal man" rise from the dead after being dead for three days? (just one of the many miracles)

wouldnt it be possible that these miracles happened bcuz God was there to protect Jesus? i believe that Jesus was a prophet, a messenger of God. God gave Jesus all these miracles, such as talking at birth, so that people would believe he was sent by God. they were expecting a messenger, and they werent just going to believe anybody who stood up and said that they were sent from the heavens. so yes, Jesus had many miracles, but so did all of the other prophets, did they not?

Well, Jesus and God are one. You know, the Holy Trinity and all? So, whether God gave Jesus the miracles or not, it wouldn't have mattered, because Jesus is God.

But seeing as you don't believe that, that is where our beliefs differ, and nothing can settle the dispute.

~Ciao Lipton

exactly. it all comes back to wut u choose to believe and wut u cant ever prove