Being anti American

I change the thread because I care and those who claim they do, they don't!!

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Being anti American if I am, then more then half of American they are!!
Every American almost condemns slavery, slaughtering of Indians. And segregation, or the McCarthyism.
Almost most of America is against the Vietnam War, and invading Iraq under falls pretenses. So are all of these people are anti American? Yes of course they are in the congested mined of an episode of obsessive compulsive disorder. Yes we were considered Anti American when the Vietnam was going on not now. We are talking about people who even called JFK or Ernest Hemingway communist. But nowadays it is against the international law to use Napalm and grape bombs in the populated arias. Is that my anti Americanism because I pointed that out? So then United nation also is anti American .
So what can I say I am and every body else is anti American, and the rest of America would be soon, to this guy.
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The truth is now all those who are activist and anti war are anti American and terrorist for this character. They all cheer for the death of thousand innocent people in the September 11 according to his paranoia.
The truth is it is better to point finger than have a constrictive discussion when you in no way are able to hold on to your utopia of an idea, of what was once America.
but I am a true American, my America is real and more vibrant than a hogwash picturesque

*This thread is fine so long as you are not posting it to target another member. That would be harassment. Text has been deleted to uphold a PnQ standard of civility.

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Other countries were involved in both wars you mention here...I just hate when they get overlooked.

Of course they were but we are talking about specifics here and that is my so called anti Americanism

Oh...ok...right so, if you are considered to be anti anything else don't post here...is that what you mean?

It is so easy in the mediocre world
to declare war against truth and real meaning
But the truth will always prevail
It is like clarity,
the presence of essence amongst us
The forgotten world
That no matter how you try to erase and misinterpret
It is always there,
Like the water that no matter how pollution gets to it
it always cycle its way back to
crystal clarity!

but nice try ALS

Hellon I have no idea what you're talking about.

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Ditto so..let's leave it at that...ok...

Http://youtu.be/3eKEe3VzA4Y

I remember my brother in law giving me an old eight track which had an old Bob Dylan song on it

God on our side
After listening I felt as strange as I heard a drug addict said she felt when someone ask her to pray with them while she was high on something unnatural.

"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country, he won it by making another poor bastard die for his" General George S Patton

There seems to be a balance between conserving the old ways and liberating the new

According to this report ...this poor bastard did eventually die for his country...don't know if it's true or not?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3869117/General-George-S.-Patton-was-assassinated-to-silence-his-criticism-of-allied-war-leaders-claims-new-book.html

I saw a car at Fort Knox that the sign said was the one Patton was riding in when he broke his neck It seems to me that a whole lot a people would have had to be in the loop on such a conspiracy, but the article is interesting

Yeah...Honestly Michael I googled the guy because I've never heard of him before but...according to what I read...he was seriously injured in the crash but no one else was and he survived..the link I provided said he was finally poisoned and...like I said...I wasn't sure of the truth?

Images of george patton's car fort knox museum

bing.com/images

I never thought of whether the car was dented or repaired , but Patton courted death most of his life and to receive a fatal broken neck in a minor crash has long been a mystery to historians I am sure

General George S Patton Car Crash Accident

I found a picture before the major body work and the car was very damaged

Http://www.bing.com/images

I'm getting a lot of sports/famous people when I look at this link...nothing to do with Patton?

As in my previous link provided...it says he survived the crash and was eventually poisoned...is this true?

According to the movie they had to put clamp screws in his head to keep his neck stable . I don't know if he was poisoned, but it may have shortened a very painful life

God darn Yanks stuff everything up !

I am always very thankful for the 'Yanks' helping us here in the UK fighting the Nazis during the last War.
I'm sick to death of hearing so many of you 'diss' them, have some respect please?!

Try keeping your precious freedoms in a world without the USA standing up against the bully boys, perhaps you'd all like to be 'protected' by the likes of Russia or China?? Their idea of freedom is very different to ours, but perhaps some of us need a taste of that type of 'freedom', so as to make them appreciate America much more.
The U.S stands up for real freedom and democracy throughout the world. Those that keep attacking the U.S. might wake up one day and find that the U.S. has grown tired of their critism and has withdrawn from its role as the Worlds Policeman.
Then we will all truly be in the 'Sxxt!!!'
Be warned...

You are absolutely wrong my friend the very democracy that you are seemingly an advocate of is built based on the criticism and the ability and the freedom of thinking differently . If you start to eliminate that freedom and keep on getting sick and tired constantly from opposite views, what would be left of democracy? Then, we are going to turn to another Stalin-ism, Fascism ... the enemy of democracy is not very far, it is within ourselves. It is our inability to allow our parliament to choose if we should go to war instead of the military men.
The fact that I said in the first post they are not anti Americanism in no way. They are the fact that that are known by many many Americans. Like any German nowadays is aware of what their government did under Nazi regime was inhuman. most British, what they have done to India and china was wrong, (otherwise you are 21th century advocate of colonialism) or what French did in Vietnam and Algeria , or Russia in Afghanistan, Gulag and Czechoslovakia.
This is evolution: we learn from our past and we move forward.
also :No worries, been warned oodles of time!!

LOL Mr Edwards I was being facetious but never mind

But you have raised some interesting points and don't get me wrong I'm not anti American in any way shape or form
Re the 2nd world war America had no intention of joining the war and fighting the Nazis until they were attacked by the Japanese, up until then they were content to sell arms to England.

Since then every war they have joined, has been in there own self interest, not to play some goody goody roll

Vietnam was about the spread of Communism which the US had an innate fear of, which spread from within

Iraq was about weapons of mass destruction that never existed and started by Bush who was by all accounts a religious zealot

The latest one Syria where the US want to get involved in will only turn into disaster, and who will they fight and to what end, drop a few bombs and leave...??

Whenever the US have been involved in these so called "worlds policemen wars" its ended in disaster and resentment against the US and the west and given organizations like Al Qaeda more ammunition, opportunities and a greater supporter base. Why do you think every other country other than the US has pulled the pin?

People outside of America seem to love Americans as people as well as our diverse culture. Many of these same people have become very fed up with our government. We murder with impunity and incite others to violence...our own selfish interests at heart. We hug and protect Israel at all costs which, by the way, is a democracy only if you are a Jew. We've advocated the use of chemical weapons during the Iran-Iraq war and used them ourselves in Vietnam. We stood by silently while the Israelis murdered 300 Palestinian children using white phosphorous. We do however enjoy the right of free speech and our own forms of protest...doesn't mean we detest our country or culture. My two cents.

^Out of curiosity, why do you live in America? If it is the root of all evil in your perception?

Are all these thoughts coming from your "Kaaba", your family or friends?
Is there anything good that your country has done?
Or are these thoughts just anti-American from the perception of a Muslim, not born here?

What would you do different? Annihilate Israel, like most others from your line of thinking. Would not surprise me.

Would you consider serving this country? Perhaps, it may help fix all the "wrongs" that your country has done to the Peaceful people of the Middle East.

If a person is interested in politics or history or ethics or the environment, it is perfectly healthy to think critically of their country. I don't feel that disliking certain actions of their country warrants an 'anti-american' label. How laughable. The USA has a great many things to love and hate. It stirs up a huge conflict of emotion across the world. That is powerful stuff, and there is lots of great material for fair and intelligent discussion.

What I don't understand, ALS, is why you seem to treat almost any negative notion toward the US with undue aggression, often making personal insinuations about the poster's culture, upbringing and supposed ignorance with the presumption that your knowledge is superior? I don't think there's any virtue in that.
Not everyone is interested in being patriotic. It often stands in the way of truth.

It was 20 20 vision into the subject abby.
if any time WE have to revoke someone's citizenship for being critical to his government policy it would be the state of martial law nothing more. (this is perhaps what WE strive for) Democracy is just a veil to hide out intolerance and OCDs tendencies. WE can not go and accuse and warn people who think out of our comfort zone. It is downright harassment!!

Living in England there is a lot I detest about my own country, I hate the fact our borders are open to anybody, I hate the fact that there is a generation of scrounging gits that earn more sitting on their arse claiming benefits, than those prepared to work for a min wage. I hate the fact that fanatics can protest without any challenge and incite hatred.
However there is a lot to be proud of;
We have a very rich history of which our monarchy plays a huge part in, we a fairly good at most sports considering we a such a small island, we also make great films, great music and have great inventors.
Our DNA work and gene therapy is world leading, our charity work is second to none.
We have produced some fantastic poets and artists.
So it shows that we could probably pick out the good and bad in every country.

Most people labeled "anti" _____ insert country here, are not anti whoever, they are anti government. I have nothing against my American brethren, I do however have something against much of their political and social ethics.

Well said Darren! I couldn't of put it better myself!

At the end of the day in any country, we all have ourselves to blame for putting the clowns into power in the first place!
So many politicians seem to be intellectual types and not have an ounce of common sense between them!

At the end of the day though we still have a Democracy.
Try going to China, North Korea, Iran, Russia etc, and see if we like their idea of 'freedom!'
I don't think most will, so I guess we should all be grateful that at least we have democracies in the Western world!

Peter..

This Anti American guy always makes me laugh::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErGmEi5_t6M

In my experience, Anti Americans mostly tend to be the folk who want to take our freedoms and democracies away, and replace it with their own warped versions of 'freedom!'

God help us all if they would ever to succeed!

Peter..

It is so interesting that you mentioned that because it is exactly what works against the intolerant version of freedom. Everyone tries to say: only my version of freedom is authentic, and right away by saying that , that person dismisses his own claim of authenticity.
William Shakespeare said:
"What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet"
So do not ever think: your rose is sweeter than other roses. This is how poetry is eloquently manifested. One could be from England, but not everyone could understand the sublime. Being a gentleman is from the smell, not from the claim!!!!!