Here are the worshiper of the Golden Calf

You would never read or hear anything more inhuman than what these demonstrators say:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/gaza-crisis-far-right-israelis-chant-theres-no-school-tomorrow-theres-no-children-left-1458797

The day Israel will disappear from the world map is soon to come In Shaa' Allah . One thing left is the Arab people to wake up.

I too wish the worst thing for the Zionist. And I know for their wrong doing, the entire nation of Israel unfortunately, whether participant or against, are going to pay the price. No doubt, history has proven this.
But this is not right Abed. In these kinds of approaches you are helping their cause. Two extremes always contribute to one another. I know these mobs in the clip above are the most despicable people in the world, but the Zionists need your rage, to justify to the people of the world their treatment of Palestinians. The enemy is very smart, using your anger and all your flaws against you. Believe me I do not need to be Arab to understand how frustrated you are, the level of the stress is immeasurable. this is how life gauges your gold: under unbelievable pressures.
But you know, not all of the Israelis are like this, the majority are being brainwashed, they have no choice, These people are good at what they do , they brainwashed the majority of the world also. But there were so many demonstration against Zionists by Israelis in Israel, by those Jews who were also bitten by Israeli's mobs.

You're right, David.
But I'm sick of the shining slogans of Peace and democracy and the shitty UN and all this 1st world bullsh*t.
1,200+ civilian deaths in Gaza and 7000+ injured and the Arab and Iran and US leaders are having political lunches waiting for I don't know how many more deaths to make a move.... there is no place for peace with Israel anymore.
Either us, or them.
It's enough.

David is right and I think (and hope) that that is not representitive of a large number of Israelis. It is angering to see.

I agree that the stance of the US (and to lesser extent UN) is hypocritical and sickening. The US is all for anti-terrorism (which is fine) and as a result won't negoiate with Hamas but at the same time free up weapons for Israeli use against civilians? At the same time 'condemning' the attacks.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/us-confirms-it-resupplied-israel-weapons-during-gaza-conflict-1459128

Abed I understand the frustration. But as the saying goes 'an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.' Calling for a war because civilians are being killed is hardly going to solve the problem: quite the opposite it would only mean many more civilian deaths, on all sides. I can't remember a war where the positive outweighed the negative and conflict has persisted for thousands of years in the Israel/Palestine area with little resolution. So I don't see how it would help now. It would just lead to a cycle of more killing, hatred and a new generation of orphans and/or children growing up to hate the other side. War wouldn't solve anything. What's worrying also is that ISIS have said they would get involved, that Hamas were trying to buy weapons from North Korea, etc. This could turn into a global conflict if it went down the 'Arab world vs Israeli war' route.

I was listening to one of our senators on the radio yesterday and he was making the point that Germany, US etc. have a guilty conscience about the Holocaust and as a result appease Israel and let them away with things. He said its time this was put aside and that it wasn't relevant to the current situation. I think he is right. I don't mean to forget the Holocaust but his point was that the past is the past and past actions can't justify current ones and that too much time is spent on the past. It was true here in Ireland when it took years for people in the North to realise that fighting over old disputes was futile and that peace was needed to go forward and for Protestants and Catholics co-exist. People should learn from the past and especially past mistakes but not be bound by the past, but this doesn't happen.

With regard Palestine/Israel, there are millions of Jews and millions of Arabs living in the area. At the end of the day they and we are all people. I can't see a situation where it won't be the case that many Jews/Israelis and Arabs/Palestinians will live together or in close proximity. There should be a way to co-exist in peace but I don't know a way in which that can be achieved at the moment. I just know that war is not the answer and diplomatic possibilities can't be discarded. Personally I think US and other countries should take a firmer line against Israel by way of pulling support, boycotting etc but I think this would be easier if Hamas stepped aside and stopped firing rockets etc and allowing Israel some sense of justification (and allowing other countries to sit on the fence). The people of Gaza need support more than anyone.

Prayers and thoughts with the people in Gaza

"I think this would be easier if Hamas stepped aside and stopped firing rockets etc "

This is just plain lame.

So now Hamas, with its primitive, locally-made rockets needs to stop and wait to be ablated by Israel's fancy US-made internationally-banned weaponry?

The whole world should support Hamas because it's Palestine's only salvation.

And Holocaust my ass.
Zionists are proving day by day that they totally deserved what happened to them.
SCUM. like that CNN reporter described them on twitter but was forced to removed the tweet.

as if they are the only people who were murdered!
the Armenians also underwent a genocide, but they didn't do like Israelis. They won't forget, of course, but not through cleansing other ethnic groups. We have many Armenians in Lebanon, and we're co-living very well.

The military technological gap between Hamas and Israel is like comparing swords to automatic machine guns. On one hand, we have Israel having killed ~1400(?) Palestinians over three weeks with ease, while Hamas in 2012 was estimated (Israeli numbers) to have fired ~2,200 rockets aimed at Israel with destructive intent, said rockets only having managed to killed 6 Israelis in that entire year. Israel is literally one of the most advanced military forces in human history - Hamas is not.

The threat of the rocket fire is so overplayed that I want to vomit. Because first of all, the technology Hamas can utilize when firing these is literally too simple for them to be able to guide the rockets with even remote precision. They literally mount the weapon on their shoulders, fire it in the general direction of Israel, and hope for the best. Which would be an insanely large threat, had Israel not have as stated one of the most advanced military states in human history - that coincidentally happens to have the literally most effective missile shielding system ever created, estimated be as effective as to accurately shoot down ~90% of all incoming rocket fire. Again, Israeli numbers.

When "one side" of a "conflict" can't even manage to kill more than 6 people in an entire year with over 2,200 rockets fired with destructive intent (again, these numbers are from 2012. When it comes to Israeli civilians killed since the current massacre began, it's been exactly... 3, I think?), it's really not reasonable to even consider calling it an appropriate response of "self-defense" to put into place a massacre that has claimed over 900 civilian lives in three weeks.

If Hamas are so unless and piss weak. Why don't you stop them ?? Stop them you stop the killing of innocent Palestinians..

What do you think of the right wing spin?

http://www.rightsidenews.com/2014080134652/editorial/rsn-pick-of-the-day/kerry-trying-to-save-hamas-restore-muslim-brotherhood.html

What do I think? Just someone else pissing in pockets!

I find it interesting that there are a lot of folks expecting this conflict to be at least a part of a conflict of biblical proportion

I listened to someone saying it had all come from David...that's David...not ddavidd! trying to prove he actually existed......OMG what pishposh!!

Pish posh seems to have a lot to do with pissing in pockets but that is not what I had in mind as the following link may be offensive to some active members message forum contributors

http://youtu.be/q39pKiKW9pg

Nicko you are heartless.
no heartless is a friend of mine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1zsuTpczu0#t=130

Getting personal are we ddavidd ...

You just don't get it do you !

Why are there a hundred different threads on this? Its clogging up the feed and you all keep saying the same thing over and over. Do any of you expect to change anyone's mind, when all you do is attack one another? You all post offensive things and then freak out when someone else does it. This is exhausting. I have been following along trying to learn something, and I'm only learning that nothing ever changes.

Wait what? Did you seriously just write that? Because last I checked, they need support to have any political power, and they only have support because of the apartheid system, the imprisonment of all Gaza, and the disproportionate use of lethal violence applied by Israel. I don't know about you, but if my 10 year old got shot in the head because he threw a rock in the general direction of a soldier at a checkpoint, I'd be inclined to support any force of resistance too. Hamas is a symptom, a counter-reaction, not the cause of conflict. Israel views one of their soldiers as worth as much as a thousand Palestinians - Hamas or otherwise - as shown in their prisoner exchanges and their insanely disproportionate use of force.

Britt : So many people are being killed and you ask why are we talk about it? What do you want us to talk about, the weather? I know you could detach yourself from this and be so care free, but not everyone is like this. Open the radio or TV. Fortunately the whole world is not as detached as you are from the death of so many innocent children.
What thread have you been fallowing? because regardless of the sensitivity of the issue there were not even one thing as you described so vividly: "attack one another" happened here. Maybe only the thread in your mind was this conflicted: The things you wanted to say and did not, and hated when others expressed something you did not want to hear versos what you did not say.
Unlike what you described nobody behaved anywhere near to that. We were talking about the most explosive subject and not even one fight. Maybe you are referring to me saying in to Nicko "... is no friend of mine" as offensive. But if you think that is offensive you have to look back to yourself and find out what is wrong with you that anything rather than pampering one another, is considered harsh. That is not healthy.

About trying to change one another's opinion, people discuss and argue everything most of time without hoping to change anyone's opinions at least not anytime soon. This is called democracy. Just dictators have intolerance for other's opinions.
I understand it is close to impossible to change people's minds. For the frames of minds, those cliches of dogmas that the governments, religions, beliefs and political parties have given us, outcast the very reality that goes on in front of us. Like in the time of holocaust people did not oppose genocide because Nazism justified it in their brain; exactly like here people rationalize the genocide of Palestinians based on the cliches that already the media provides for them. They see the blood of children but their mind process it as this people ( children) are evil and their blood is justified. They see the Christ being crucified in the blood of innocents on and on every day, and they say noting, they even cheer for the crucifiers and then as a Christians go to the church every Sundays and pray to the blood of the savior. All forgetting that they have always been in the opposite side, either then or now.

Lol so wait. Im detached from it? I have very serious opinions on this subject and I have a lot to say. My opinion has been expressed by others on here already. Im not going to beat a dead horse.. I used to get very invested in discussions here, and quite frankly I dont have that kind of time anymore. Dont put words in my mouth. I am not saying opposing opinions cant be discussed, friggin relax.

My point is, there are multiple threads talking about the exact same thing. Is it impossible to post in one thread until it fills up, and then open another? I dont care whats being discussed- thats not what I have any problem with. But there are over a handful of threads, all about the same thing. Makes it nearly impossible for someone to jump in and discuss anyway, because its all over the place.

I've become less about talk and more about action. I try to be the change I want to see.

"friggin relax"??
haha like wise!! I haven't been anything but. you mistake passion and compassion with anger. I could be angry , at your beliefs though but never at you unless you are a mean person.
Why are you complaining? It is a first time that we got this much activities, why do you want to kill it again? Do you wish to return to dead situation that used to be in the last few years? I guess then there would be no suffering tolerating opposite opinions. That is why this site was dead and all those good and heartfelt affords that the people like BR. and... have put forward could not revive it.
You having strong opinion on this? don't I know that? I am clairvoyant enough to sense that. Haha you are not enjoying any of these. I can even tell you which post offended you the most. That is why you think we are offending one another, which we never were. We have strong opinions, strongly expressed, but even once I did not hear anything insulting the way you put it. Like here I am not insulting you, I am refuting your opinion that I think is outrageously wrong. Though PAY attention, I am not saying that about you, you might be the sweetest person in which I respect. But If you can not make this distinction, nobody could help you on that.

" I've become less about talk and more about action. I try to be the change I want to see"
well said.

Http://youtu.be/hHpcZVJMh9g?list=UUCsO61n-ROpMKMw9ChSpYKQ

If you listen to the leader in this link you will hear an apology given with very little emotion in the scripted end of his talk to the Israelis

the leader must have never seen the sad attacks shown by CNN reporting the attack on the UN shelter

My Nostradamus approach has at least one member saying that nothing ever changes in the members message forum

http://youtu.be/fTu_Lj6Sgt8?list=UUCsO61n-ROpMKMw9ChSpYKQ

Of course, CNN is a Zionist organization. There is as much chance for them to take side or express compassion to the people ( children)of Palestine, as it is in a crowd of hyena to a fawn.

No where am I saying it shouldnt be discussed. I am having a hard time understanding why there has to be a million threads on the same issue going at the same time. Forget I said it. Clearly im the only one. Carry on. :)

It's kind of like the Happy birthday threads Britt. After you congratulate someone for one event along comes another one

What do you say about this Nicko?

Https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1508102979407981&set=vb.100006248805918&type=2&theater

So you just saw this subject piling up in this forum?

Well, there is also the Contests things, too !

If you're annoyed, carry on. No need for your valuable thoughts.

Ddavidd what this guy is saying is not new everybody is saying the same thing. As for my thoughts go read some of my earlier posts regarding this issue !

Stop Hamas hiding behind women and children stop them firing rockets and the killing of innocents will stop.

Then look at forming a separate Palestinian state once the bombs have stopped. Israel has agreed to this idea but Hamas and all the radicals like Abed won't because they won't rest until there is no Israel and there are no Jews in the Middle East

And that's the core of the problem !

When the Arab community accept the sovereignty of the Jewish state of Israel then we can have peace

But that won't happen in my lifetime !

JEWISH state of Israel? And you say Muslims are radical?

A whole nation is being evacuated and killed and bombed just because Jews gathered themselves from all over the world and decided to take over a land and claim it their own... is there anything more unfair than this?

And now Hamas is the problem? A group of people who couldn't watch their land being taken away from them and decided to resist their occupant with the most underdeveloped weapons?

If a terrorist bombed himself in America, and he happens to be a Muslim, the WHOLE Islamic countries pay the price and get invaded.
Jews have been commiting the ugliest of crimes since 1948, and you get hurt if we say a word about them.

And as you said, we won't rest until there is not one single Israeli soldier on our land. Call me radical and twist the meaning of this word the way you like.

The bigger picture perhaps..

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=267970550070444&set=vb.100005725035453&type=3&permPage=1

Noura the Jews have always lived in Palestine for thousands of years before there were Muslims. The Romans dispersed them first in about the first century, then about 1 million homeless Jews immigrated there after the holocaust as they had no where else to live

Yes indiscriminate bombing by Israel is wrong and must stop, but they won't so long as Hamas is active. As Hamas is ineffective and using innocents as shields it's just common sense they should stop ...

Noura you either accept that the state of Israel exists or fight a war you can never win ..

Just wondered..because I don't have a facebook account myself...when someone downloads something and posts it to their facebook account can it be traced to it's place of origin?

EDIT

Copying and pasting this link once more because I would like some feedback on it...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=267970550070444&set=vb.100005725035453&type=3&permPage=1

Nicko again you are mixing between Jews & Zionists.
Everybody knows Jews were in Palestine and Lebanon and Syria.. In my city, there were lots of Jewish families, and we were all living in harmony until the Zionist state was founded and Palestinians were forced out of their homes, and became refugees.
The most important Zionism goal is to occupy the whole Middle East and Sudan and Egypt, the upper blue line in Israel's flag represents the Nile River, and the lower one the Furat River (in Iraq) and the space in between represents the land between both rivers. (I totally believe this)

I hope you won't be fooled that Israel only wants to live peacefully in its small kingdom. I think you know that in the 80s, Israel occupied 1/3 of my country. And Of course you saw Israeli land vs. Palestinian land map changes from 1948 till now. Palestine is now represented by Gaza and the West Bank only.... And believe me, Israel will keep on extending and expanding and building settlements until no Palestinian is left.

Our war with Israel will go on till this world ends, but Palestinians will win, because their cause is right.

Nicko, the choice you left with Noura was a miserable one. It cuts deeply, perhaps because it holds a truth, but it's an intolerable truth.

Is a terrorist (as many perceive) worse than an oppressor? Both sides are responsible. But if we were to look at the whole awful situation, without all the history, rockets, tunnels, tanks, political funding, suicide bombers, extremists, Zionists, land ownerships, human shields... if we were to remove bias and atrocities from both sides and look objectively at the region during a time of ceasefire and 'everyday peace', an understanding is achieved.

The fact is, 'under peaceful/normal conditions', Israelis live in freedom at the expense of the Palestinians who are made to suffer indecent apartheid-style regulations on a daily basis. One group of people is being marginalised, the other is not. To 'accept' this as you say is an assault on human spirit and dignity. It is a moral duty to stand for the oppressed, despite the useless, stupid, shocking consequences that they incur when resorting to the heat of their passion.

These horrible consequences in Gaza have also raised a lot of global awareness. Hopefully, this can eventually lead to the people of Palestine being given their fundamental human rights. The Palestinian territories either need to be completely integrated or completely segregated for that to happen. In the meantime, there is horror.

Nicko they feed you these things. They make you believe that these mentalities are the true account of things.
The state of Israel has taken the land of Palestinian that they and their ancestors lived there for generations, selfishly and ridiculously based on thousands of years old religious documentation.And you take side with such amockery: "they did not have a place to go"?? So they had right to come and kick the entire nation out. Roman kick the Jews out thousand years ago. What about native Indians, this happened few hundreds years ago, do they have right to come and kick all Americans out? Even the Palestinians were not he who did that to the Jews in the first place. Why should they deserve to be treated like this? These are human too you know!!
They used the means of deception, genocide and whatever you name it to take that country. They widen their territory and narrowed the Palestinian so hard. Look in the map and see how small is the size of this place Gaza . They put them under siege for 6 -7 years. They treated them as foreigner in their own land. They are not equal. They are not aloud to cross even some roads. There is apartheid in the twenty first century man, wake up!! They do not let medical and food supplies to come in. They suffocated the whole nation. And then when they defend themselves with the missile( which hasn't kill anyone yet) that is like a bb gun in compare with the ones of Israel , They are retaliated against in the most inhuman way with the most advanced deadly armaments. They bombard a nation with no air plain, navies, any army what so ever. If that is not inhuman enough.

Now what you proposing is that The Palestinian if they want peace they have to accept the occupiers and oppressor's terms unconditionally otherwise it is their own fault that their schools and hospitals are being targeted. Is this the choice you giving them? That's it. you are out of my ark!! You taking away the entire right of a nation that every thing has been taken away from them, to even fight for their freedom. You saying it is justified a war with 1700 civilian casualties in one side and 52 solders in the other.

Even Hitler did not do such a thing. In his case in comparison, the level of causality was way higher because it was the whole universe involved in that war. But in this case there is only a small nation of one or two millions. But from the quality and in essence Israelis haven't come short a bit from their predecessor.

I'm going to toss my insight in here and normally I do not get involved with such conversations and you will know why with my very brief statement, but before I share I want to say that I agree with Britt on "Less talk more Action"..... now for my statement:

There are so many labels for people, who did what and who's to blame, In my mind all I see his human beings. I don't see color, gender or race. I see human beings being killed, and human beings killing, being puppeteered by governments and ruled by hate :-(

It needs to stop and each and everyone of us can stop talking and do something with as simple as love for all mankind. Make a damn difference and lets help to end violence.

beautiful precious souls are dying.... Hate and negativity are to blame, period the end.

I agree but all we can do here is to enlighten people who are misguided about it. But I also am open to suggestion. I would do anything to help except committing an act of violence.

Here to break from these ugliness a brief moment of oxygen for you dear MapleTree :

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152030301903763

:-) and that is what it's all about! I needed that oxygen , thank you!

:) :)