These religous poets

I personally do not believe in the concept of god, but that's not what this forum is about so no "believers" come in here and tell me that I'm going to hell because I don't, it's none of your buisness.

I'm writing this forum because theres a certain poet, (I'm not going to post her name) who is insanely religous. She actually wrote a poem about society saying that we should place the bible in schools, that religion needs to be the basis in schools and that everyone needs to take the bible seriously. I've never heard anything so rediculous in my life. Putting the bible in schools??
I would write my full opinion, but I fear you would all get bored after the first 3 paragraphs :)

Anyway, this person also commented on one of mine about a doubt in god saying that it's sad that I'm going to hell because I'm not religous....

WTF??

the worst part is this girl is so incredibly stupid when it comes to the subject, and she's seventeen years old.

Anyway, you all tell me what you think about it.

I don't understand what the big deal is.

You have the right to an opinion.
If you don't believe in god, good for you. Nobody should be able to tell you what to believe in.

Her poetry is stating her opinion. If she wants religion in public school, you shouldn't worry about it, it'll probably never happen anyways. You shouldn't be insulting her beliefs, she is voicing her opinion just like you are voicing yours.

If it offends you, don't read it.

However, she has no right to insult what you believe in on your comments. Tell her to screw off.

I dislike bible thumpers, they're kind of annoying and they send me really long crappily written letters.

I think you're being stupidly naive.

I think people are free to write poems about what ever they want. If you don't like it, so what? I think it's shallow of you to knock her and her religion because you think you're right. I think it's concieted and selfish to automatically assume that her religion is bordering on the insane because you can't understand her faith.

If you are so offended by her concern in her comments press the little complain tab and let the mods deal with it.

I had a bible in school and I think it was far from ridiculous. I think you could learn a bit of positivity (yes, I've read your poems) and drop the cynicism if you had a bit more respect for life and everyone who lives.

I think the bible should be taken seriously whether you are religious or not. There are so many things to learn about life from it and our society is based on it's, and the Torah's teachings.

I think it is perfectly logical from her perspective that you'll be going to hell. If she is right and you do not praise God it makes sense that you'll be going to hell for your ignorance.

Anyway, that's what I think about it.

why are you all not listening to me?

I KNOW this is an opinion and I'm not saying that everyone should agree with me I have plenty of friends who are religous, my parents are religous, and I have absolutly no problem with it (directed to the idiot who said I think my opnion should be the only one and thinks I'm concieted)

What I have a problem with is people who think that religion is right no matter what and that people should be forced to follow it, THATS THE PERSON I WAS TALKING ABOUT

About the bible being in school, its rediculous. Anyone intelligent would tell you that. The bible is a perfectly fine thing, theres nothing wrong with it, but it's not a school matter. Everyone in school has different religions so it's just flat out wrong to preach one kind when alot of the people listening to it don't believe in the concept or weren't grown up in a home that does.

Matt: please don't comment on this anymore, I can tell your most likely an ignorant 13 year old who takes sunday school way too sersiosly.

And to whoever said I should have a more positive outlook on the world- you don't know me, you don't know my life. don't you DARE preach to me what I should write about, that's so wrong when you have no idea what I've been through.

Alright people, you obviosly weren't listening. What I was saying was that this girl was writing in her poetry that everyone that doen's follow the bible and religion is wrong. She was saying that we all need to follow one idea, her idea. That's why I wrote this forum

also to Friends~

yes I know that when I think a person isn't intelligent enough to contemplate the matter that I shouldn't complain about it, the only reason why I was is because she was commenting on alot of my favorits about how they should listen to the bible. But yes, I agree with you

I said:

I had a bible in school and I think it was far from ridiculous. I think you could learn a bit of positivity (yes, I've read your poems) and drop the cynicism if you had a bit more respect for life and everyone who lives.

You said:

And to whoever said I should have a more positive outlook on the world- you don't know me, you don't know my life. don't you DARE preach to me what I should write about, that's so wrong when you have no idea what I've been through.

Read again, pink. At no point have I told you to change a damned thing. Nor have I preached to you. I voiced opinion. I did not say you should be more positive I said you could learn positivity from the bible.

I did say you are cynical. If you disagree with that with the same fervour I'll take it back. But I doubt you can or will.

Regards, Bert

Alright Matt- spelling correction "seriously"

I know you're a kidder, I read your last poem, and I decided I like you, so I'm not going to go all crazy on you.

To the person who asked what it was I was upset about:
No, no. Of course I'm not upset about the subject. If people are religous, I respect them and their beliefs. It's the fact that she was telling everyone that if you weren't religous, you were evil and corrupt. That's what I meant. (and the comment of her saying that I needed to believe in God or I was a "lost soul")

Ok Mr. Bret Higgens....
When you tell me that the bible will teach me to have a more postive outlook on the world, I suppose it's not necessarily preaching (so yes that was wrong on my part) but, it is telling me to "change a damned thing"

Yes, I am aware that I am cynical. But, if you look up the definition and really contemplate what that means, you have to admit the majority of the time it's true

(that's not an insult or bash, it's just one of my theorys)

And, I have every right to be cynical in here. Again, that's not a comeback to your comment, it's just everyone who knows me thinks I am a completley different person, and to come in here and blow up and state my real beliefs is a relief for me. That's why I come off as so rude sometimes

I never tell anyone to anything on here, even with great advice, purely because this kind of thing happens (even when you don't tell people what to do, just like in this instance).

I'm not telling you to do anything. I'm saying what the bible can do (I am not a church going Christian, I am not trying to convert you).

Teenagers by nature are cynical, and also will do opposite to what you tell them purely because it's rebellious. You have the right to be whatever you want. It was an observation that you are cynical and not particularly positive. How you conduct your affairs is your business. You asked what I think, I told you what I think.

I'll say again, I said what I think, not what I think you should do.

(Bash and insult if you like, I have thick skin.)

ooo there's only one Matt who can call me Bubba... he done got the copyright on it *grins*

Alright, I have to admit I'm confused.

Bret I meant absolutly no disrespect, I tried to be as polite as I could in my reply, and I appreciated yours, until you said "make any bashes you want I have thick skin" I don't know why you thought I would bash when I was being as polite as I could in the arguement, but whatever.

Matt: as much as I admire your ongoing comments, I'm a little confused as to why they continued when you were talking about earlier posts that were irrelevent, even though my last reply was on something totally different, but alright, have fun:)

I might re-submit this forum in a different format because I obviosly sent people the completely wrong message so perhaps later?

cheers

The bashes thing is unrelated. Just means that if you were so inclined to want to call me a testicle rubbing rectal wart then that's fine by me.

Alright I see, nevermind.
.....great use of description there, I'll have to remember that:)

"a testicle rubbing rectal wart"

That comment is making me testy. ;)

to the person who asked why I complained about religou "poets" instead of "poet"

Well, I was directing this to all the poets that I've read who seem to bash non religous people and use their poetry to try to scare people into converting, or just 'damning' them (if you look a little you'll be surprised about how many there are) But I was only complaining about this one because the others didn't send comments to me or any other people that I know of dissing their poetry because it showed doubt in God or because they expoilted the world's flaws (like this girl did) but Yea, I see why your confused

What exactly is your problem

People believing and expressing thier views on religion?
Or expressing these views through poetry?
Or the fact that she said you were going to hell?

I am a little confused as to what your problem exactly is...also be cautious whne making generalisations like "these religious poets" define these...?

=Eirisa=

So you were directing this to all poets who write about religion?

You are a hypocrite, you're sitting here damning them to hell the same way you are complaining about them doing the same thing...it's sad and pathetic perhaps you should find yourself a suitable religion - there is more to life than this after all hun

God Bless you regardless of if you want it or not

She is entitled to her opinion,

My personal opinion is that she is full of shit.

Take it or leave it, but as long as you dont feel like you are doing anything wrong brush it off and live your own life.

She can live hers how she wants to.

how is this related to poetry discussion?

Wow... this is just... wow...

Alright, people, you are not under any obligation to read religious poetry. You can choose not to, if you wish. So, here's a simple solution:

Don't read it, and quit complaining about it.

It's called "Freedom of Religion."

~Ciao Lipton

PINK:

"What I have a problem with is people who think that religion is right no matter what and that people should be forced to follow it, THATS THE PERSON I WAS TALKING ABOUT"

Easy solution: Ignore them, and move on in life.

"About the bible being in school, its rediculous. Anyone intelligent would tell you that. The bible is a perfectly fine thing, theres nothing wrong with it, but it's not a school matter. Everyone in school has different religions so it's just flat out wrong to preach one kind when alot of the people listening to it don't believe in the concept or weren't grown up in a home that does."

Same thing with evolution, I suppose...

I don't belive in evolution... a alot of kids in my school don't... we have our own beliefs as to how the world came to be... so why are they "cramming this belief down our throats?" Why do they, "preach one kind when alot of the people listening to it don't believe in the concept or weren't grown up in a home that does?"

"Alright people, you obviosly weren't listening. What I was saying was that this girl was writing in her poetry that everyone that doen's follow the bible and religion is wrong. She was saying that we all need to follow one idea, her idea. That's why I wrote this forum"

Again, as has been beaten to death, IT IS HER OPINION!

"But I was only complaining about this one because the others didn't send comments to me or any other people that I know of dissing their poetry because it showed doubt in God or because they expoilted the world's flaws (like this girl did)"

Once again, her opinions. There is a "complain" button that you can push, instead of complaining about it here.

MALLISA:

"If you want to hear a story about how craming religion down some ones throat causes a child to be really distrot as a young one you should watch behind the music creed.it really gives you a perception upon how the lead singer scott stapp was dealin with so many problems mentally because of his parents forcing religion down his troat."

That is ONE person's account, who happens to be famous. Are we supposed to think that all things that happen to famous people will then happen to us as well? Just because person A encountered this difficulty, person B, C, D, E, F and so on will as well?

"...and what you write is what you write no one should tell you OH HEY YOUR GOING TO HELL!... I think people should write what they want,and ..she really needs to stop being so preachy and so judgemental,if there is a god.Let him decide who goes to hell or not"

Brilliant idea... People SHOULD write about what they want, and... wait a minute... she DID write about what she wanted to. She voiced her opinions, and you all are condemning her for it. You are a hypocrite. If she wants to be judgemental in her comments, let her be so. There is a "complain" link that you can click on if she (or anyone else, for that matter) offends you. And, once again, it's her opinion, just like just about everything in this topic is of other people's opinions.

~Ciao Lipton

Nice one, Lip.

Dear Mallisa...
THANK YOU

Dear Erisa...
you too confused, this isn't an insult but I'm sorry I just don't want to explain myself again and again thoroughly it would take up too much space caz your obviously ..really....confused and have no idea what I'm talking about. If your really interested email me and I will explain.

Dear Lipton...
what the hell are you talking about?

First, about the ignoring it thing, yes I suppose I could ignore the others, I was complaining about this particular one because she kept commenting about how I should believe in God.

Second, we have PROOF ABOUT EVOLUTION you can choose to ignore the facts and pretend it isn't real, but, we have proof. sorry.
Also, since when is it getting shoced down our throats? we learned about it maybe a little in elementry school and junior high, we don't even study it in highschool. What are you talking about?

About complaining, I'm not complaining, this is a forum, in case you didn't notice. I was posting this to see why people thought people acted like this or to see if people could possibly justify her means.

Also, you keep saying it's her "opninion" to try to force others to believe what she believes.
First, that makes no sense.
Second, if you think like that, then wouldn't you consider this my "opinion" and stop complaining?

And in case you couldn't tell mr. Lipton, Malissa was trying to justify that girl a bit to me. She was saying that I should accept what she wants to write.
obviously.

And why the hell do you keep calling me a hypocrit? I'm not telling people what to believe! I just said earlier that I have no problem with religion, so I said it before and I'll say it again,

what the hell are you talking about

Rather than sit around and bash other people's opinions, and views, or critisize what or who people believe in, I'm going to TRY and perhaps focus on the real matter in this forum.

If I may proceed-
Pink, I do agree that it is morally and ethically wrong to bring a religious matter, such as the bible, into non-religion related educational facilities. It's an un-necessary movement. However, I must respect all writers for their ability to portray their views through poetry. Although, this poet had no right to tell you that you were "going to hell" because of what you did, or did not believe. If this poet truly believed in God, she would know not to judge you by calling non-believers "evil". It's so called "God's" place to judge the living.

I personally am not a believer in God, but that doesnt mean that I don't respect or care about other people's beliefs. Everyone is entitled to their own way of thinking, opinions, beliefs, etc., and I don't think it's right for we, as respected writers, to go into forums and get into arguments over who wrote what, and why they wrote it.

And, Eirisa- I am BY NO MEANS, trying to negate you, but why exactly would you post a comment on a forum you don't understand? haha. I just found that rather interesting.

-Unseen.

Alright bob. I'll be honest, you were a respected author in my book, and still on... some level ...are, but I don't think you got at all what I was saying considering your comments in this forum directed at me and the others I have commented on.

I tried, my best, to tell you all that I respect people with religion. I said I have no problem with it and that I have no issue with people expressing their beliefs in -respectful- ways.
So...why do you all keep portraying me in your comments as someone who despises religion and the idea of "God"?

Dear Pink,

What the hell are YOU talking about? People are accusing you of bashing this girl for her poetry, and then you tell Lipton that evolution is correct and you disregard his beliefs.

Evolution is a theory, there are many facts backing up evolution, but it is not 100% proven. There are many gaps in the theory. Perhaps you should check your facts before you make assumptions.

I personally believe in the theory of evolution, but you have no right to "shove your beliefs down his throat".

You do all know that religion is a creation by man to fill the void of the unknown, right? most follow by what they call blind faith, but what has blindness and ignorance every gotten us in this world besides false comfort and obscured truth..I respect any religion..but why SHOULD someone respect this womans opinions, when it's apparent that what she is saying is contradictory to her "religion". Her idea of placing school around the bible is selfish and unchristian because it isn't regarding anyone else besides those of her faith.. to really have the ability to respect others opinions and have yours be respected and heard, you need to base your idea's thinking about everyone as a whole..it's called equality people..you know...America...home of the free......

Dear Pink:

What are you talking about? I just about laughed when I read your post... Hope you didn't take offense to that. -_-

"First, about the ignoring it thing, yes I suppose I could ignore the others, I was complaining about this particular one because she kept commenting about how I should believe in God."

If you're that concerned about it, talk to Janis.

"Second, we have PROOF ABOUT EVOLUTION you can choose to ignore the facts and pretend it isn't real, but, we have proof. sorry.
Also, since when is it getting shoced down our throats? we learned about it maybe a little in elementry school and junior high, we don't even study it in highschool. What are you talking about?"

What are YOU talking about? I know that it's state standards in the state I live in for a high school biology teacher to teach, and go in depth on evolution. That seems like shoving it down my throat to me.

And two, I wasn't aware that the THEORY of evolution, was turned into the FACTS of evolution. I'd like to see some hardcore evidence of evolution.

"About complaining, I'm not complaining, this is a forum, in case you didn't notice. I was posting this to see why people thought people acted like this or to see if people could possibly justify her means."

Complain: intransitive verb 1 : to express grief, pain, or discontent
2 : to make a formal accusation or charge

Sounds like you're complaining to me.

"Also, you keep saying it's her 'opninion' to try to force others to believe what she believes.
First, that makes no sense.
Second, if you think like that, then wouldn't you consider this my 'opinion' and stop complaining?"

It might make more sense if you try to understand what it is I'm saying. I NEVER said it was her opinion to force people into believing what she does. She's voicing her opinion.
I'm not complaining... I'm trying to get a justification for your complaints, because I still don't see what she did wrong.

"And in case you couldn't tell mr. Lipton, Malissa was trying to justify that girl a bit to me. She was saying that I should accept what she wants to write.
obviously."

That is NOT at ALL what she is sounding like. I see nothing in her post, contrary to what it is you have said. It looks like she is agreeing with you, nothing else.

"And why the hell do you keep calling me a hypocrit? I'm not telling people what to believe! I just said earlier that I have no problem with religion..."

One, I didn't call YOU a hypocrite, I called Mallisa that. Second, look up hypocrite... I don't think you know what it means. Third, If you have no problem with religion, why are you making such a stink about the fact that some girl wrote a poem, voicing her religious opinions, and left a comment voicing her religious opinions?

By the way, she can't FORCE you to believe anything... especially over the internet.

So, I ask the question back to you...

What are YOU talking about?

~Ciao Lipton

Dear Erisa...
you too confused, this isn't an insult but I'm sorry I just don't want to explain myself again and again thoroughly it would take up too much space caz your obviously ..really....confused and have no idea what I'm talking about. If your really interested email me and I will explain.

Dear Pink

Firstly thank you for not insulting me :o) You don't have to explain yourself again I bothered to take the time to read your posts in a lil more depth. I understand now what your saying, but you should probably chose your words a lil more carefully because your point is coming across different to your intentions with the readers of this thread. I'd also be a lil more cautious with your generalisations and be more specific as to who and what poetry you are discussing...Thanks for your clarification tho Pink all the best

=Eirisa=

LoL Unseen

I understood the post - but in several different contexts - I thought I would question her extact intentions with her words and thie thread BEFORE jumping up on my high horse and voicing my own opinions - still as interesting as you initally thought my friend? LoL

Eirisa :o)

Pink - just some advice you're best to agree to disagree with Lipton - she's firm and strong in her beliefs and won't back down - I figured this one out myself :o) LoL

You right this post is going no where and you know why? Well, i will tell you why because people are too narrow minded. They choose to beleive what they ONLY beleive and thats that. Well people I hate to burst your bubble WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD that is formed all with oppinions and wether you choose to accept then or not is your business but when making a post such as this....i find it to be pointless because when it comes to God....no group will EVER full agree with the other nor accept there oppinion fully without questioning it. Your looking for a heated discussion this is the topic to disscuss.
take care always
Scooby

Well I have read the poem that the person you mentioned commented on. And I am not going to tell you that you are going to the eternal flames. I don’t think that is what the comment meant to say. I will say that I have read many of your poems and I am impressed with your talent as poet. There was a poet Voltaire, among his sayings was I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it, some say his writing brought about the French revolution. I truly believe when you wrote the poem ‘Doubt’ it was what you were feeling at that time. Would you say that doubt is a virtue?

didnt i start a thread about this once...and it all went to s**t...and tons of religious people yelled at me too...

religious...stuff never goes anywhere but down the tiolet....

so will people stop these stupid threads...learn your lesson...

The only reason people shout at you is because you're being as diplomatic as a toilet brush. This thread has a seam of humility and openness to it.

I laughed so hard when I read this post.

Anyway, I don't think this girl was being mean to you when she told you that you were going to hell. If you are not a christian, you really are going to hell. (Sorry for my frankness.) She was just expressing her beliefs if this was the case. I don't think it was right for her to be so rude and forceful about her beliefs, as much as I might agree with her. She shouldn't have tried to force her religion on you. That is very wrong in my opinion.

As a Christian I beleive that schools would be much better if the Bible was brought back. Even though I don't see it happening.

Eirisa:

Yeah... I guess it is best to agree to disagree... That seems to be what most of these topics boil down to anyway. =)

~Ciao Lipton

Selfrejected:

I agree with Bret. Anyway, if we want to discuss certain topics, let them be.

~Ciao Lipton

So true Lipton so true :o)

As much as you can voice your opinions you cannot change the minds of others...

Lets have respect for everyones rights to their own beliefs whether they agree with our own or not