Precognitive Dreaming?

Uhm, I'm kind of slow hehe what is precognitive?
Haha ok Well I've not had sleep sorry,
I have troubles sleeping and I do have like dreams that occur over and over sometimes....

Just thought i'd share 0-0

OK i'm going to take the role of sceptic again.

Precognative dreaming cant happen.

Let me explain what a dream is. Think of your brain as an office with a filing cabinet. Now out of all the info you pick up during the day, the important things... like faces of people you meet will be put in the filing cabinet. The not so important things... like what colour pants the guy you passed on the street was wearing, will be thrown on the floor.

Now during the night your brain will tidy the files on the floor, throwing away non-important information and filing more important things. Your dream is your brain sorting through the files on the floor. So the images you see will be all the random pieces of information put together.

Its for this reason that precognative dreaming cannot happen. You are viewing past images not future ones. You may think you are having precog, but that is a result of the brain trying to rationalise and connect broken images to real life situations.

It is pure coincidence and the need to link your dreams to life that has caused you to think you are seeing the future. The brain will believe what it wants to believe so i wont be able to change your mind if you believe it strongly enough. But i wouldnt take your dreams as serious as you want to. If you want more information on what you are dreaming, see a dream therapist.

There has been many times my dreams have happend nothing ever bad but just little things.
Things that I have no way of knowing or even guessing would happen. Kinda scary but kinda neat to.

"I saw specific things happening and details about stuff I've never even seen or heard of before." - You may think you never saw them before, but in reality you have, but dont remember seeing them. For example a simple dream might be you meeting a man wearing a blue top. Now that day you might have met a man, and at some point saw a guy in a blue top. These things were just thrown on the floor of your mind and during the night you filtered through them and dreamed about a man in a blue top. Now that is just a simple example, your dreams are obviously more complex. In studies of dreams it was shown that we dont access the creative side of our brain to dream, we only access memory. Therefore it wouldnt be possable to make a dream up, only remember scattered images, smells, sounds and feeling that are patched together to form something cognative.

"Though I don't want to believe in precognitive dreaming" - obviously you do, cos you are trying to rationalise your dreams.

For starters ismail "Precognitive dreaming is but one un-explainable reality." it isnt reality or we would all be making millions precog dreaming the lottery.

"You never know if you can really dream the future or not." - There is a millionaire who said if anyone who can predict the future accurately he will give a million dollars to... as of yet no one has claimed the prize.

OK Musicality, "I saw an entire person that I've never seen before- couldn't possibly have seen before down to the littlest details" I speculate that a face in a dream cannot be memoriesed to the point that you know exactly the same face when you meet it in reality. Like i said before you are putting pieces together while you are asleep. The examples i have given so far have been very simplistic, I would like to point out that it is possable that you took the nose off one face and the eyes off another... etc... and made a whole new face that maybe resembles a person in reality. But again it would be impossabe for you to remember the patchwork face upon waking. People have an easy time seeing faces because we can relate to them and we see them everyday. I would like to point out how a woman claimed to see jesus in her dream and then saw his face in a door... Now the door has 2 knots in it, and she claims they are eyes and it is the exact face she saw in her dream... As i have said before, the brain believes what it wants to believe, you saw a face in your dream and when you met the face in reality your brain just wanted to believe it WAS the exact same person from your dream... at that point you file the guys face and replace your dream face with his so that you think it is the exact same.

The brain is a strange thing, it can make things up and deny you what you have seen. When it is boiled down i cant persuade you either way, you will believe what your mind wants you to.

When i was at university I took an AI course, where we had to learn how the human brain worked so that we could mimic it with a computer.

Im just looking through my old notes, but im not sure about what info is online? You might want to consider buying a book on dream therapy, or psychology, or AI.

Sorry To Dissagree a Little Here, But Actually My Dead Father Sent Me a Message Through Dreams, Took Me Awhile To See What He Meant, He Told Me There Was Money Somewhere In Our Old House, I Went Back To The Old House And I Went Where He Showed Me In My Dreams, I Went To The Attic And Found An Empty Box With a Bank Statement From Awhile Back! I Told My Mom And We Both Went To The Local Bank Just To Find Out He Had a Savings Account With Over 100 Grand In It For The Famliy After He Passed On, Because He Always Knew That He Was Sick But He Was Afraid To Tell Anyone, Not All Dreams Are Files Stored In Your Brain......Dreams Are Messages Sometimes From People Or Things We Just Don't Understand, And Open Up a World Science Can't Rightfuly Prove xoxo-Nikki-xoxo

And Sorry, Thats Also The Christian Instinct In Me As Well, In The Bible God Clearly States How He Dealt With People Through Their Dreams, To Anserw Questions, And To Show Them The Way....I Strongly Believe That To Be True Because I Have Lived To See It *This Isn't a Religon Debate...Just Stating The Truth* xoxo-Nikki-xoxo

"Took Me Awhile To See What He Meant" My point exactly, you didnt realise in your dream because it wasnt specific. you only linked it after you thought about it for a long time and rationalised it.

"He Told Me There Was Money Somewhere In Our Old House" - You could have known indirectly and remembered at a later date. It doesnt prove you can talk to the dead.

"Dreams Are Messages Sometimes From People Or Things We Just Don't Understand" - again this statement is your belief based on you trying to rationalise your dreams.

"And Open Up a World Science Can't Rightfuly Prove" - although this is true, that science hasnt proved everything YET, but if you think about it logically for a minute or 2 do you really think that dead people can contact you through dreams and/or predict the future through dreams? And if you truly believe it why arnt we all talking to dead people? why dont we all know the next lotto numbers? why cant we predict our own deaths? you wish to believe because that is what you want to do. not because it is true.

In all fairness our brain isnt a connection to the dead, its not a window into the future, it is a lump of tissue with lots and lots of connections and logic gates within it.

I would love to join you in your belief, but i refuse to believe in something so blindly as to not research it first. And as i have actually researched it i have come to the conclusion that it is not possable at this current state of our evolution.

The whole religion thing is another pet peeve of mine, but i shall not get into it on here. but i want to add that you should look through the bible and in deutoronomy there is a passage about if your children dont obay you you should take them on the streets and stone them with stones... now if you are a true christian why arnt you stoning your kids? are we supposed to believe that some parts are right and some arnt? then that would mean the word of god is falable. But that cant be true... god is infallable... but what should you do? do as the ible says or let your kids live?

I sometimes dream about things that Im very worried about, and once in a while I get the feeling that a hazy dream has come true, like that I was going to have trouble with a dance function, and sure enough I had trouble with the dance function.
I think that sometimes dreams are to warn us that things are going to happen, or to warn us to be careful.

If you read the Bible, Joseph interpreted various dreams,for people that he met in prison and for the Egyptian Pharaoh, and they all ended up coming true. At least then, it was a message telling of the future.

About The Scripture You Quoted: The Third Book Of The Bible That You Found That Scripture In Is And Old Testemant, That Has Passed, The New Testemant Speaks To The Life We Live Now, "Spare The Rod Spoil The Child" Is The Only Saying People Still Live By, Which Means Spanking a Dissobedient Child Is Right For Structured Life xoxo-Nikki-xoxo

Your reference is from an unproven book... so it holds no power here.

I can write a nice book about people who lived thousands of years ago and not prove a single word of it... but if i get enough believers i can call it my religion and CLAIM it to be truth.

Also i would like to point out that the mind makes true what you believe. if i thought that today was the day i was going to find love, i would make much more of an effort to get it. You think you will have trouble, you will seek it out... thats how it works.

Another Thing: Not Everyone Has Dreams Of Dead People, God Has Placed Gifts In Us All, I Just So Happen To Have The Gift Of Dreams, That Fortells Things And Anserws Questions Like David, Joseph, And Ezeikiel Did As Well In The Bible xoxo-Nikki-xoxo

Again i shall ask, why do you even read the old testiment if you are going to ignore its rules? Did times change so much that people didnt want a wrathful, vengeful god, so they make the new testiment with a nice loving god... and when times change again buddy jesus will be born.

Oh so you are a modern day prophet? Nice! that should be great for you... what are this weekends lotto numbers? god knows i need the money to save the starving kids.

C Fowler: I'm Not Asking You To Believe In God, Don't Disrespect, Nor Make Fun Of What I Believe In, I Didn't Make Fun Of Your Views I Just Pointed Out That I Dissagreed....Thats Very Disrespectful xoxo-Nikki-xoxo

What i said is true, i would use the money to save starving kids... You think i disrespect you because i dnt believe you are a modern day prophet? Hah! well sorry if you think my disagreement is disrespectful to your whole religion.

My point is that if God were truly there why doesnt he save the starving innocent people in 3rd world countries? why are babies dead? and i dont want to hear the "God works in mysterious ways" excuse.

C Fowler: "what are this weekends lotto numbers?" That Was a Joke, I Didn't State That I Was a Prophet, I Said I Had Dreams.....I Don't Need You To Believe Or Understand Why God Does What He Does...I'm Not God I Can't Anserw Your Questions When It Comes To That xoxo-Nikki-xoxo

C Fowler: I Stand My Ground When I Say You Disrespected Me By Poking Fun At Something I Strongly Believe In, You Strongly Believe That God Dosen't Exist,.....Do You See Me Making Fun Of You For That Or Degrading Your Beliefs?

Why cant you answer my questions? dont you talk to god?

See This Was Civil Conversation Before You Jumped On The Religon Topic And Made It a Debate...After I Said Its Not Worth Debating Over

Oh so it is my fault you cant defend your own belief? shouldnt you research your "religion" a little more before you blindly believe it? because i have researched it, and i have made an educated decision.

C Fowler: Sounded a Little Sarcastic To Me....I Pray To God....That Counts As Talking To Him, I Ask God Questions And He Anserws Me In So Many Diffrent Ways, I Would Explain But You Wouldn't Understand Because You've Never Walked The Christian Route Before, And Its a Little Hard To Explain To Someone Who Dosen't Believe In The Same Things That I Do xoxo-Nikki-xoxo

C Fowler: Believing In God Is Like Falling In Love,...Its An Unexplainable Feeling...But You Just Know :)

I Shouldn't Have To Defend What I Believe Because This Isn't a Debate About What I Believe This Was a Simple Statement That Your View On Dreams Isn't The Same As Mine...xoxo-Nikki-xoxo

Actually i have walked the christian route before... im from a christian family, and my mom is a christian, and after all my years of "talking" to god i never once got a reply, i devoted my whole life to serving god and got nothing in return. Like i said before, i have done my research, i have walked the path of the christian, and there are way too many contradicting parts that make no sense. you may be ok with ignoring the imperfections, but im sorry if i expected the word of god to be perfect.

You can pray to god all you want. then try and tell the woman who lost her baby about how god did it for a reason... tell the orphaned children why their parents are dead... a loving god wouldnt do these things... therefore there is no god, and if he doesnt like me saying that he can smite me right now

So If You Would Exscuse Me From This Conversation, I Need To Call My Boyfriend *Nice Talking To You C Fowler It Was Fun* xoxo-Nikki-xoxo

OK farewell, it was nice hearing your irrational beliefs. Hope i can help you to understand one day

I had my first precognitive dreams in 1978. I felt an extreme fear for some reason
When certain events started to unfold that I believed I had dreamed sometime earlier. When I would describe, as best I could., what I felt was happening I searched for someone who had similar experiences. The feelings I had, seemed to differ from DejaVu,. I read something about precognitive dreams sometime latter, and determined that was what I was experiencing. I was not always able to remember the event until it happened but I had a strong feeling I was experiencing the reality from a dream. I don’t remember being overly concerned with wanting people to believe I was sane. But wanted to prove I could predict future events. The first successful prediction I made was where the sky-lab would reenter the earth. Several years latter I met a man due to strange circumstances. We were roommates in a facility were we had daily classes. He thought it was strange when he was just telling someone that he was dreaming about a singer that was not as popular as he used to be. He was telling someone about the song that he could not get out of his head from the dream that morning. Seconds after he mentioned the song it came on the radio, but the day that stuck out in my mind, was the day that he had told everyone in the class the he had dreamed about a fire engine. He had fallen asleep in the class. The whole class was laughing and screaming for him to wake up so he could see the fire engine that was visible in the window behind him. There were several events in the news that would coincide with the dreams he would share with me each morning. I wrote a poem about the last dream he shared with me, and the group we were in. the poem is still rated hi in the section it is posted in. anyone care to guess the poem? Anyway there is probably no way to prove objectively that precognitive dreams exist. No more than we can prove objectively our spirit exist

Dreams that come from the mind can be random
Dreams that come from the heart can be felt
Dreams that come from the soul can be divine

I'm with Mr fowler on this one, strangely.

We don't understand the mind, no one does, and we especially don't understand the workings of the subconscious mind and we know even less about Sleeping.

Adding all this together, it seems a fair assumption that we attribute a divine or spiritual connection to a regular state we don't comprehend. It's human nature to make things special in accordance with a theory already in use when we have no theory of our own. Religion is a big one for this. Many people have no idea why they are alive, and religion gives them an answer which they in turn back up with cleverly filtered experiences and "feelings"

Dreaming is the same i feel. Did you guys know that under hypnosis we can be made to feel any physical sensation, or recall with a little prompting, any situation or life even if we haven't experienced it before. Think about the fact the your brain on some very deep level remembers everything you see and feel and think....if you had access to all this information you could create amazing alternate realities if need be. Thus the past life regression success rate.

Precognitive dreaming is i think, the result of things you have noticed in a conscious state, whether you really paid attention or not, coming through into your dreams where you have to deal with them. Little pieces of a puzzle that we can't comprehend in the waking state, and so we file it off to our sleeping mind to sort out...and it fixes everything up and shazzam...a dream that appears to foretell events.

And i've had a few dreams that seemed to reveal secrets and future events.

I would not like to be labeled narrow minded because I like to think of things that have not been directly observed. Things like dimensions in time and space that we do not fully understand. My dictionary tells me that’ science is the systematic knowledge of natural or physical phenomena; truth ascertained by observation, experiment, and induction; ordered arrangement of facts known under classes or heads’, Some things that we know in our heart to be true cannot be proven. Would Kevin Murray, or C Fowler label anyone who seeks a truth beyond natural understanding as irrational? My father used to build structures without a blue print. When he ran into a design problem the solution came to him in a dream. What is the probability of accessing randomly the information you need in a computer? I believe the mass of biological tissue that we call our brain is capable of a lot of things that electronic brains are not. I also believe people who are not capable of understanding ‘intelligent design’ or a power greater than them selves dream of a perfect world. If a dream is a series of images in the mind of a person asleep, try to imagine what the randomly evolved tissue could do awake, inspired by a heart, and soul

Sounds like your father needed to sleep in order for his subconscious mind to offer up the answer to his design problems, thing of it is though, he already knew the answer Micheal, it just wouldn't come through when he was awake becuase most likely his brain was pretty occupied walking, talking. etc...asleep he had more space for his brain to organise...nothing divine about that i think.

God didn't help your father build those houses, that would be divine intervention, and God doesn't do that, or if he does then faith in him is not a matter of free will anymore, which goes against the bible.

.I agree Kevin. ’.asleep he had more space for his brain to organize.’

C Fowler stated that;
'Now during the night your brain will tidy the files on the floor, throwing away non-important information and filing more important things. Your dream is your brain sorting through the files on the floor. So the images you see will be all the random pieces of information put together'
Isn’t that what evolutionist are saying that creation is; random pieces of information that make up D.N.A , chemical composition, our solar system and the universe?

Would the term ‘random organization’ be an oxymoron?
Like other oxymoron’s such as ‘organized religion’
‘chemical balance’ ‘military intelligence’ honest politician… exc.

It seems that God rested before he altered Adam’s rib,
But we both know dreams can turn into night mares

‘God didn't help your father build those houses, that would be divine intervention, and God doesn't do that, or if he does then faith in him is not a matter of free will anymore, which goes against the bible’
No my father was not a prophet but I think the bible usually implies divine intervention There was a made for TV movie about Noah’s ark that took God’s design tips to Noah a step farther. In the movie while Noah slept God processed the lumber for him. As I stated before I don’t spend much time worrying about the historical accuracy of Genesis accept to amuse myself. I believe any brain of intelligent design is capable of many levels of conscientiousness