Blaming Bush?

Well...personally...

I don't think any of this is ALL Bush's fault..i know thats kinda off subject, but how can all this fault go directly to Bush when, if you think about it, our government is set up with the Checks And Balances system! Congress has to declare war for ANYTHING to really actually go on. And war has been declared! So its not entirely his fault. Its not ONE MAN'S fault, its a bunch of people. Do you have any idea how many people make up Congress? They have to approve of the budget and most of what the president does! Bush can only do so much without the other branches stepping in.

So its kinda silly to be blaming everything on him alone. Some of the blame can also be put on Clinton. He was a terrible president too..

and that's none of this is to say that I adore Bush because I don't...but you have to think of this objectively. As a President...I think the nation could have done better with the voting thing.

But since we're ALREADY -IN- a war...what good is it going to do to bring down Bush or our troops? Might as well as support them at this point because our troops are out there on HIS command, that's true. And these soldiers are normal people with familes back at home, people with feelings and emotions. And to know that half of their own country resents them, must really suck. Because afterall, they're out fighting FOR our country and against terrorism.

However, I, myself, am not a huge Bush fan and, personally, I think that our government is kinda wacky. I just...I don't understand how people can hate Bush so entirely, even if he is selfish. No single person can be blamed for the disaster America has become.

It may not be Bush's fault, or it may be. Who are we to judge which decisions turned everything the wrong way?

I don't even know how good we're doing in this war. The media just tells us how much we lose--Not as much as we have prospered throughout the decades and his terms.

I'm hearing so many opinions on how the war started, someone said "9-11" someone said "Oil" someone said "Terrorism."

We don't know how it would be if we had Mr. Gore or Mr. Kerry as president. But we have to deal. That's it.

Well, I'm perfectly open to any new opinions, willing accept them. I'm certainly not trying to shut that out because i want to learn. Believe me, I do.

Perhaps the reason for that is that because I am 15 and practically all i know of the goverment is what my school has taught me.

And I do understand that the republicans have gained control. I don't quite understand what you mean about the Clinton thing, though...

As I was told, and I quickly picked up, Clinton ignored the events that led up to 9/11...

But STILL...all of this can't be JUST Bush's fault. He may have been scheming but it takes followers to execute a plan this huge that would corrupt our government.

Why would Bush deserve the bad print?

And I kinda also have to agree with Missy, too, about the media telling us how much we've lost, not how much we've prospered.

Thank you.

And you're right, it can't be all Bush's fault. There were tons of things that were hints of 9/11. Did you know on that day, almost all of our jets were sent to training in the West?

To break into a system that seriously would have been into Clinton's time too. I don't know if it's coincidental so many people had cameras at the time of the Crash of 9/11? That's the things I'm thinking about. It would have been a long time to plan this all up.

...now that i think about it, I think you're right about the popular vote too...its been awhile, but i remember that something strange happened.

And Missy...New York is a popular place. One of, if not THE busiest city in America. If -I- visited some place as widely known as New York, I would probably bring a video camera, too. Perhaps that was a coincidence?

I thought of that too. But to have it aimed at the towers just scares me. Whether I'm paranoid or not, it's comes to my head.

I remember the Election. I was only in second grade, but I remember it really well. They had passed out packets taking a school vote who they think should have won.

Everyone was voting for Gore(He was on the blue side of the packet--Everyone likes blue)

So I voted for Bush(I always voted for the person I felt wouldn't get a lot of votes.)

Gore won in our school by 97%....

I was so sure Gore was going to win, but it turned...I was surprised.

hahaha you were in second grade??

Gosh....

has it really been that long? you're just 2 years younger than me, according to your profile...

So that would mean i was in 4th grade when Gore was elected...huh...it doesn't feel that long ago..

Don't blame bush, blame the people who voted him in, and those that chose not to vote.

If you really must blame someone, blame Karl Rove.

Missy - 'all of our jets were sent on training exercise that day...'

I wonder why? And isn't that just a little too convenient? Coincidence or conspiracy, bearing in mind that there's no such thing as coincidence

Bush is to blame, he is the one at the top of the tree in america, as much as Blair is to blame here in england... these men tell very dangerous lies and then lie to cover their backs when the truth comes out... as it always does...

Please wake up.

I think everyone needs a scapegoat, someone to take their anger and frustrations out on. Sure bush may be a puppet, but he started the war, under false pretences, and he have made every third world country despise America.

So again, we blame bush, not only because he is an incompetant boob, but also we need something to throw stones at, to bond with one another. That's life...

Again I see people willing to point the finger when they are the cause.

It is not one person, it never has been. It is the system.

How much work do you think Bush actually does compared to those at ALL levels of government. Then don't forget to include the lobbyists and Christian right and so on.

Bush is about as much to blame for 9/11 and your neighbour's abortion/drug habit/insert condition you disagree with here as I am. But why blame the people like you and me who did it when you can insulate yourself and wag your finger the guy at the top?

One day people will learn, but until then I'll continue to spack conspiracy theories (the clue is in both words) on the head and blame the bad people in the world who fly planes into buildings, not the guy who was reading some kids a story.

Gore wouldn't have gone to Iraq

Kerry would still be dealing with the same problems Bush is facing now

Actually, if you go through "the system" enough, you always come to "one person"

Who that one person is would be a question of debate

I think, in relation to 9-11, we, as Americans, got complacent, and thinking it couldn't happen to us, common sense is used at all levels of government, so this complacency was probably felt by many in the office as well. Early on, they also probably didn't want to create a panic (I imagine Bush has extremely low expectations for humanity), so they kept all that information on the DL.

And, like before, Bush and his coalition are just as lost as the rest of us, with only a little bit more of the big picture, most of the details are still lacking.

Bush 'mislead' the public into Iraq, true, as any true politician does. I don't see anything he's done yet as being illegal. Shady, manipulative, arrogant, evil, sure, but not necessarily illegal. No different, to me, than how Lincoln, Grant, TR, FDR, Eisenhower, Reagan, and any other war-time president has acted.

To me, however, character matters, and shady, evil, manipulative behavior should never be tolerated.

Should we be allowed to police the world? Difficult, complicated question. We are one of the world's leading (only?) super-powers, so other countries expect we carry that responsibility. Is it right that they expect certain things? It'll happen. I think we should try our best to live up to atleast some of them, without compromising morality, because isolationism is too far in the other extreme.

from ther first post "I don't think any of this is ALL Bush's fault..i know thats kinda off subject"

how can it be kinda off subject if you created this post?

Because as poets we're supposed be liberal and good little bush haters.

Wax Killing, in answer to your question - should we be allowed to plice the world? NO WAY! No one nation has that right and to believe that they have, whether it be America or China, who incidentally is also a super power in the making; is based in arrogance and greed. The UN or something akin is the way forward, with all nations having an equal say in the running/policing of the world.

Gore or Kerry would have done pretty much the same as the Bush/Blair partnership.

Remember, our two nations were setting Iraq up for war, just as we are now with Iran... we sell them arms, or the means to create nuclear weapons and then step in to make sure things don't get out of hand... hmmm, no underhand dealing going on there then...

9/11 was just an excuse, see Loose Change 2nd edition, which is a google video site...

The oil is running out, get it? Power is oil, those who control the oil, control the world. And guess what, when the oil is gone there'll be something else that our two nations get their heads together about and wage war on other nations... we are the bully boys of the world between our two countries, and in the playground breaktime isn't over by a long chalk.

One day we'll all get back to the classroom and, who knows, maybe we'll all learn to live with one another... ha ha!

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