Suicide taking the easy way out?

I have also treid to commit suicide many times and I am only in the 9 grade. It maybe selfish but it is hard to make that dicision and every now and then I am up set because my attepms didnt work

why do people make posts about whether its the easy way out or not? what does it matter? if someone wants to kill themselves you CANT stop them. but dont EVER judge them. dont sit there and be like, ohh its the easy way out. or ohh people who kill themselves is stupid. thats like judging gay people, fat people etc.

Leah I completely agree with you...very well said....

Except suicide is gutless, and frowned upon - I'm not judging but God will and read any of the good books and He'll tell you the same thing...its not your life to take!

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suicide isnt gutless! have you ever even attempted suicide? i have and trust me it wasnt easy to decide to just leave everyone. no offense but if god didnt want us to take our lifes then why make the thought? SO WHEN JESUS HAD HIMSELF KILLED FOR US DID HE COMMIT SUICIDE? answer that then talk about it

suicide is not the easy way out, if you held a strong connection to one person it can make it hard and almost impossible to do, be given the option would you easily leave everything behind for peace and freedom.

Leah, sorry to say, but you can stop someone from killing themselves. It may not be an easy thing to accomplish, and it takes a lot of hard work; but it can be done. People have stopped me, without their help, I would be in a worse condition than I ever have been before. I have helped others, it takes time and work, but never give up on them, it can be done.

You are, however, right on the point that it is just like judging people with different sexuality views or body types. It is no different, they are still so often frowned upon, but, there is no stop to people who judge. There will always be the one person that can even bring the happiest person down.

-Jenna.

^true

hmmm.. I also agree that you CAN stop someone from killing themselves. I have.

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suicide isnt gutless! have you ever even attempted suicide? i have and trust me it wasnt easy to decide to just leave everyone. no offense but if god didnt want us to take our lifes then why make the thought? SO WHEN JESUS HAD HIMSELF KILLED FOR US DID HE COMMIT SUICIDE? answer that then talk about it

this is your answer:

God did not make the thought of suicide. God made man and the earth but gave everynone freewill to act and think as they would like. Yet, just because he gave us the free will doesn't make us right in taking action to do whatever we want. Just becasue we have the ability to steal or kill does not mean it is right if we do. Life is a gift from God and if he gave it to someone it was for a reason.
Also, Jesus did not commit suicide. He gave up His life for our sins and he rose from the dead after three days. He is now in heaven and vey much alive. He is God and with that comes the ability to die for us and take up His life again.
I am very sorry that you have tried to kill yourself, and I am very glad u are still alive. Hopefully things in your life are better.
This is not meant to be offensive and it is not meant to be argumentative. I just replied to your challenge in hopes of providing you with some clarity.

Well if we are talking in terms of Christianity, yes I can back up my comments with the Bible.

Settle down, Angelina. Lmao!! This thread was for the topic of suicide...not Jesus and your disagreeances with the bible. One topic at a time, please. =P

"Anyone can give up, it's the easiest thing in the world to do. But to hold it together when everyone else would understand if you fell apart, that's true strength"

One of my favorite quotes.

I, personally, believe if you have the WILL to be strong, or the will to rise above the pain, you will be. If you want to let yourself drown, obviously you will, too. It's a mental thing. I suffered from mental abuse for about...3 years or more...and every morning, I felt sick of my own life. I wanted to die so badly, sulking in my misery.

But then some very rare mornings would roll around and I'd get out of bed and I'd say to myself, "I want to be strong. I don't want this to control my life anymore" And lo and behold, after I said that, my day went by fine. Little things didn't bother me because I didn't want them to. Now this doesn't go to say that this'll work with EVERYONE...because it may or may not. I just know from personal experience what abuse is like. It was so hard, and I recall it all with perfect clarity. My step dad would tell me after a hard day of work, and a hard day of school on my part, that no one will ever love me because what is there to love? He'd say I have no future because I'm a screw up. He'd tell me all sorts of things...and that's not even including the types of things that my MOM did....as in...holding guns to her head...kicking me out of the house in the pouring rain, crying my eyes out, waiting to hear a gunshot from the street.

I'll admit, it's not easy...but keep a diary...I beg you. Keep it safe, put a lock on it if you have to, but keep a diary and try to write a little in it each day. To this day, exactly one year ago, I finally had enough crap in that house that I came to live with my dad. I am a better person because of that decision. I'm a stronger person for sticking through what I've been through. And that's the great part...being able to say to yourself and others "Hey...I went through that...and I survived." It's a great feeling because all of that doubt you had before, that you weren't going to make it, it suddenly doesn't matter.

Stick it out, I dare you.

Thus, I say from my own opinion that suicide is the cowardly way out. The dictionary defines a coward as

"–noun 1. a person who lacks courage in facing danger, difficulty, opposition, pain, etc.; a timid or easily intimidated person."

Isn't that what you're doing with suicide? Avoiding difficulty...? Avoiding pain? It's exactly what it is. They're practically synonyms Suicide and Coward.

Now ask yourself.

Do you really want to be a coward?

Again, its a mental decision. If you want to die, you will. You'll die a miserable, dead end and suffer hell for it, if you believe in such things. But if you want to live, if you have the slightest, even the tiniest, desire to live...

Just stick it out. There WILL be brighter days. I promise you!!!! 3 years ago, I never would have believed it when someone told me...but I'm truly happy now!! Please, you guys, whoever is thinking about suicide...don't. It's as simple as that. Life IS beautiful, it's WORTH it, and you'll never really know what it is you're missing out on if you don't stick it out. Think of these hardships as a sort of...passage to better days.

Be strong you guys. My heart is with you all. =]

Wow, that was so incredibly true! I agree with you, and it is a relief to stick it out through the pain and hold on strong to what you believe in. And you get a sense of relief for knowing the pain that you have been through and for overcoming it and you become a stronger person from it. And nice little touch adding the definition, I wasn't going to because I couldn't explain it afterwards, and I didn't want to start any unrest in here, but it was a smart move!. =]]

-Jenna.

=] Thanks!! Given more time, I'm sure someone will find something wrong with my last post. lol!! But again...I KNOW its a relief...its a tremendous relief! And the definition-I couldn't leave it unspoken...The people who are disagreeing with the whole "Suicide is not cowardly"...they're wrong. I mean...the definition says it all. But thanks for reading it..lol. I know it was long. There was just so much to say though...

Lol no problemo, yeah someone always find some way to bicker about something that has been said lol. Yeah, the definition sure does.

-Jenna.

I think it is the coward's way out, because although someone may be feeling depressed, those problems can be worked out, even if it takes a while, whereas someone being dead, well that can never be changed can it? it's selfish too. Think of the families and friends left behind.
The dead get off easy, it's the ones left behind who have to deal with all the pain.

well, coming from a girl... if i killed myself id not be a man? lol? :P

yeah... we all seem stupid when we look back, but the problems we get in life are just obstacles we have to face. suicide is an easy way out, but never is the best. its like quitting in the middle of a game. you started to lose and then you decided to forfeit, making the other player(s) in the game feel disappointed.

Suicide is a easy way out...easy way out for you but the pain will go on to ppl who care.. n someone always cares.. would be selfish to make them deal with ur pain.. if life gets bad... it will get better again soon it just goes that way... just have to hang on a lil.. Life can be beautiful sometimes...

I think that people that even try to kill thenselves are SELFISH JERKS!! I know people who have died and not wanted to and to have someone who is normal and healthy just give it up pisses me off to no end...a permenet sulution for a temperary problem

If god had commited suicide he would be in hell right now, so no, god did not commit suicide, he die for us, so we could live, theres a differece between dying for someone and killing yourself!

If a guy was pointing a gun at my sister head or my bestfriends head, i would switch places with them in an instant, to save them, not because i want to die (that would be suicide) but because i love them so much!

~Murder (Steph)

okay this is what helped me get through being "suicidal".. why would you end your life about something that isnt going to harm you in 10 years . is there a point of ending youre life on something that isnt going to effect you later on in life. dont fforget that youre not only hurting youreslef but youre hurting everyone around you .
not only if you kill yourself try to think about youre family. youre probably thinking asif they would care. TRUST ME THEY WOULD?!?! imagine this . you wake up to go to the bathroom and find youre dead son or daughter laying there in the bathroom. would you care? of course you would .

i hope this got a message accross and im sorry if i wasted youre time by trying to help:(
Love you all,
- Z e n a

^^^^True Bob, and a good point!
BUT suicide is defined as-
The act of intentionaly killing yourself.

Just beacase i said i would die for them doesnt mean i want to die, it would actualy be murder.

Yet it would be selfless, but not selfish as a few people have said.

~Murder.

Yes... i see your point, but its actualy manslaughter, not suicide, you dont want to die, but you will be killed as a result of you actions.
The truck driver is responsible for your death, if it wasnt for the fact his truck was comming down the hill you would be alive.
He is responsible for your death!

On the other hand you and the driver are equally to blame, he hit you but you saved the baby!

I cant see neither of us are going to give in so i think its best to agree to disagree!
deal?

well i kno everyone is goin to jump on me for sayin this

but i do NOT agree that suicide is selfish

first off...in the abuse senerio....u r not hurtin ur family that much...or if u r they deserve it for hurtin u every day of ur life...they r selfish for hittin u to make themselves feel bettter bout themselves or w/e every day of their lives.....the selfish one is the friend who never wants to listen when u need to talk...the people who r there when its easy and run when it gets hard...the selfish ones r the ones u try to call at that moment when suicide becomes and option....and they say "sorry im busy right now..i kno ull feel better soon" and hang up......suicide selfish....no...whats selfish is the people who make u feel so alone throguh their actions...when they think only of them and not of u when u DO try to reach out for help....or worse they start complainin bout their latset bf or w/e as tho u really want to hear their problems at that moment...and they want ur help....as tho u can help anyone at that moment.....whats selfish is when freidns pile weight upon weight on u expectin u to hold them up all the time but rn't willin to help u carry the loads they have placed on u....

bring god into it...he takes lives every day through sickness etc......so isn't he just as selfish as the person who takes their own life? maybe suicide isnt so much a selfish act as it is a sikness of the mind....because when u commit suicide ur mind gives up...it shuts down and says i cant stand anymore of this shit....so couldn't suicide be viewed as a sicknes in the mind...not a cowards act

a coward would just sulk in the cornor...afraid to face life...or death.....i kno because im that coward

a coward can't stand to think of suicide because they r afraid of failin at death..not ebcause they want to live...but they r afraid to die

when viewed like that..who is more of a coward..someone who lives hatin life but afraid of death....or someone who faces their fear of death because their hate or fear of life is even greater?

I really liked your perspective on this whole topic Laura. But in a way, when God takes people from sickness, it isn't that big of a selfish act is it? Because if they are already sick and suffering...isn't it time to take them out of their misery?

And another thing, if God didn't believe that you could stay on the earth and live your life for what it is, wouldn't he finally give you the strength to pull that trigger? To tie that noose? To stab that knife? Wouldn't he? He believes in those that are still alive, he gives them the strength to carry on because he sees who is strong enough to, and who will just give up at the drop of a dime.

That may not have made sense, but I, personally, believe that God keeps people on earth that he believes can make it through the little bit (or a lot) of pain that they are going through.

-Jenna.

not to cause an arguement..just my response to the whole god takin them cause they r sick to put them out of their misery

he made sickness...if he wanted people to never get sick then he could have..its the world he made...also what is it people say when a baby dies...god wanted them to be with him....

so hes selfish..he wants them so we cant have them....its wrong

but either way ur entitled to ur believes so ill agree to disagree right now to avoid conflict hehe

and ive always been taught god frowns on suicide...as this topic displays everyone seems to....but what people forget is the simple fact that when ur dead....ur dead......if i commited suicide in an hour (not gonna!!! just sayin) i would no longer really give a shit what otehrs thoguht

also....i think this thread is stupid casue if anyhting it will just make some people feel even worse bout themselves...like not only r they hurtin and in pain and thinkin of suicide but the whole world views them as cowardly for thinkin of it...which kinda sux heh

Again, God puts people through pain to see who is strong enough to pull out. That was the point I was trying to get across in my last post, I just didn't know how to explain it good enough.

And I'm sure that God "wanted the babies to be with him so that we can't have them" is not true. It is not a selfish act of God when a baby dies.

-Jenna.

it is NOT brave to take ur own/someone else's life.

live your life as long as you can-- you're lucky you haven't died from a long-term illness! These days everyone that's 15 seems to be dying from life-time illnesses... and they all wanted to live :( take the thread of life you have and try to stretch it longer. if you cut it off, you're just making it worse for yourself. no one will look up to you for dying... they'll miss you and want to see you again! so its etter to live sad than die early and not really die happily :( live a long life... some aren't lucky enough to have that.

and about the baby death thing...

i believe they were meant to live... they just didn't get the chance. it's no one's fault if it wasn't on purpose. babies are meant to die; they are human. part of being human is life and death. at least they had a day to live... even inside their mothers. even a second of life is better than none at all!

Suicide is gutless pyscho GUTLESS! It takes a hell of a stronger person to stand up to life and say "Blow me, I'm staying and dealing with my problems" than it does to take one too many pills, slit your wrists or hang yourself to escape.
Have I ever attempted suicide...no because I am not gutless nor am I stupid, and I believe life is a gift to me from God, therefore it is not my right to take it. I also have much too much respect for my children, my partner, my family and my friends to be so weak as to put them through something like that.

Jesus did not kill himself...what bible are you reading seriously??

Yeah it takes a strong person to say they are going to live through life, but it also takes a strong person to hurt themselves. And most of the time, it is a last resort. And actions speak louder than words. Just because someone says they are gonna stick it out and live on doesn't make them the stronger person. A strong person is one who has been harmed by others, harmed themselves, and still lived through it.

"Have I ever attempted suicide...no because I am not gutless nor am I stupid, and I believe life is a gift to me from God, therefore it is not my right to take it."

^^ So if life is a gift to you from God, it is not your right to take it? That is a little contradicting to your first paragraph. You might want to think about rephrasing that a bit.

You have too much respect for your family and friends to put them through the pain of suicide? That's a bold remark. So you're saying that those mothers that have a baby and kill themselves for whatever reasons they do are weak. No, they are not. They have millions of thoughts running through their heads when they are taking their own lives. It is not a weak act to kill yourself; many people can't even imagine taking a blade to their skin or tying that noose and kicking out the chair..suicide takes guts.

-Jenna.

Bob,

I really could care less what you think of my opinion. Honestly, they are not pathetic for killing themselves. Who are we to judge when we do not know what is going through their minds at the time that they kill themselves? Their babies are not left alone in all cases. Half of the cases where Mothers kill themselves, the babies are put up for adoption anyways.

There is more to a persons mind that one can know when they think about killing themselves. There are reasons that people will kill themselves but half the people here are too self centered to take the time to think about what else goes on inside someone elses mind. They don't take the time to figure it out and don't care enough to even try.

You are going to tell me that I have abandoned all common sense? Seriously? When what I said was my beliefs and everyone else seems to have common sense whent hey stick up for thier beliefs? Because that makes so much sense...

And no, I will not look back at those words one day and laugh. I am glad that you had a laugh over them though. Keep on laughing, I don't find suicide or the talk of suicide a funny matter personally.

-Jenna.

Angelina,

No. They are not weak. You are on a one track mind here, and you are refusing to see things in a different light. Have you ever thought about why people kill themselves? Because it is people like their friends and family that are too selfish in their words or actions to take the time to try hard enough to stop them. And yes, that is not in all the cases, but read into suicide stories. Half of the friends and family members talk about not helping them, saying they were "too busy to talk" .

And I don't care if I am sixteen, I won't look back and laugh. My views on suicide are not going to change because I know there is more to a persons suicide than people are lead to believe.

This, is a post that no one is ever going to completely agree on. Everyone has a different view into the matter. And I am not gonna sit here and argue about suicide anymore. I am done.

-Jenna.

Bob,

I said when a person kills THEMSELVES. I know that all thsoe other cases were selfish of the people taking others lives. The Yates one has always been a case that bothered me, it is just like drinking and driving. People are stupid and selfish to take peoples lives that way. And yeah, I know a spirit is a spirit, but it is different when it is your own life on the table and not anothers.

When people kill themselves, it is different than someone else killing them.

-Jenna.

Yeah, Angelina and you don't fricken know me and what I have and have not done. I have attempted it as well. And no I will not shut up, who are you to tell others to shut up? You're not right all the time you know. Just because you and Bob have people that cower down before you and apologize or change their views because you and that group seem to think you're always right; does not mean that people need to shut up about their views.

I didn't say I was wise. What I was saying was I stick to my beliefs. I will not look back and laugh on my views on suicide.

-Jenna.

That wasn't about his poem. That was about his post above that.

-Jenna.

I'm not embarrassing myself with my ignorance, if anyone has ever proved to be ignorant; it is you. Many times I have sat back and seen you say stuff in these forums that was your own opinion and you just shot down everyone elses. It is stupid. You're not always right. And you know what? You're a year older than me, so don't tell me to wait until I grow up.

You know what the differnce is? I don't refuse to see things ina different view from time to time.

-Jenna.

You know what Angelina? I am not going to argue with you anymore. We both have our different views and I see no sense in getting riled up over this. And you know, I have viewed suicide as a selfish act before, but I changed that view after 6 people I knew had died from commiting suicide and after so many of my friends attempted it because that is when I learned there is more to it than what people believe. And that is why I will never look back and laugh. Yeah and you know what, you'll still only be a year older than me. You are not that much more grown up than me.

-Jenna.

This thread is quite subjective. Firstly for some people suicide is done on a whim, it could be regarded as temporary insanity.( like the sports fan how shot himself because his team lost its final). For others depression over a prolonged period has effected that person to the point that they find it impossible to conceive rational thoughts, (I've been there and you literally lose control of your emotions.) So this thread is crap, easy way out, no (its more like dying from a disease) to be honest killing yourself is the bravest thing you can do, and probably the most stupid.

suicide isn't about what's easier. it's about things being so hard that you just can't see clearly anymore. and maybe it is the easy way out, but that doesn't mean a person gave up right away. some people deal with there problems for years--they go to therapy, programs, hospitals, special schools, take meds, and just plain try to get better--but it doesn't seem to change... or it doesn't change enough. and a lot of times that's when the person gives up because they don't see any other way to function. plus, it can be a hard decision to make... but i can only speak for myself.