Gay’s aren’t natural, there disgusting ?

My parents and brother’s are intelligent kind and reasonable people yet I have to keep my sexuality secret from them. They sit at the table and although and direct their views against male homosexuality. I feel like a have a large weight pressing on my chest and psychologically I’m suffocating. Maybe they can’t imagine their gene pool to be polluted by a lesbian.

I love poetry and came across a writer onsite who I believe to be my favourite by a long way. After reading about ten of his poems I almost went into shock as the next two had extreme homophobic verses in them. I still read his poems but I have lost any respect for him as an individual. Talented but with so much hatred it makes me want to cry.

So I looked up the word “natural”
Functioning or occurring in a normal way; lacking abnormalities or deficiencies.

This has three parts firstly queer people exist in all societies over all racial groups going back to the beginning of time. While not as common as heterosexuals we are a significant enough proportion of society to say we occur in a normal way. Bit like saying a penguin isn’t a bird just because it has differences to what we normally perceive as typical bird characteristics.

Abnormalities, well yes we are different but then there are so many differences between humans. In appearance, beliefs or whatever we all grow and carry out our lives as we see fit.

Deficiencies? Yes and no. Breeding wise there are ways around two people of the same sex having children. I can obtain fertilization or gay males could adopt. Maybe one day when mainstream society gets their head around their prejudices and realizes the important thing is that the child grows up loving and cared for.

Prejudices aren’t normal, should we hate different races, and disabled people anyone who is different in some way. Maybe my family and that talented poet I read are the sick ones after all.

i agree totally with what ur saying. i too have a father and brother who are homophobic. i simply cannot understand how some people can be so intolerant of other people. people are people to me. if i were ever to come out of the closet i wouldn't even consider telling my family because i would be ridiculed and they would take no time in telling me how disappointed and disgusted they were. i don't believe that there is anything extremly abnormal or dificient about being homosexual or bisexual apart from the obvious in which u stated. the sooner this world realises this the better.

I agree completely with you! I'm biesexual. It took me a long time to come out. I told my parents, my mother did'nt mind, my father is'nt "comfortable" with it. None of my friends like me anymore, and people at school are always talking about me behind my back.

I guess what I'm trying to tell you is that if you want to tell people about your sexuality, you have to be ready to sacrifice everything, don' make the same mistake i did.

thankyou

We are we are. We love who we love.
No one should be able to stop us.

Sure, we're different, but everyone is different in a way...
I just don't understand the way homophobes think...
I just don't get it. [Sighs] What is this world coming to.

"Homophobia is a social disease."

xTheEcstasyOfSuicidex

^HERE HERE, Bob, Couldn't have said it better myself. We are who we are. We like what we like.

Don't judge least you be judged. I have lived by this philosophy most of my life.

Jeannie

They will all be together one day. In hell.

If a person wants to be bisexual or gay or lesbian then so it be. It's their wish and we should suppor their wish.

Heart Broken. that was very rude and intolerant. and extreamly uncalled for in this post

Truth Hurts.

Unfortunately there are always going to be people too small minded to accept certain things in life.. Homosexuality being one of them.. My Mum and Dad still hope that I will find a nice boyfriend after 4 years of knowing I am les, but they are happy as long as I am happy.. Your parents may surprise you.

and to heartbroken.. I would much rather go to hell happy with the person I am and living my life the way that I feel is natural to me.. If that means not having to go to heaven with people who are small minded and full of hatred towards others for their sexuality or beliefs...

I am probubly going to get yelled at for this but...

Personally, I think homosexuality is wrong. HOWEVER, some of my closest friends are lesbian or bisexual, and I love them dearly. You see, I love the person for who they are, not what they're sexual orientation is. To base a person on that, unless choosing a mate for yourself, is pointless and ridiculous.

I don't think keeping a secret such as this is fair. True, some people don't need to know, and it's really up to you whether you want to tell your parents or not. All I'm saying is that they are your parents and they made the choice to love you from the moment you were born. Love, believe it or not, is a choice, to accept that person and their flaws (whatever that person thinks a 'flaw' is). Your parents may surprise you, and although it is going to be hard for them to realize based on the fact that they don't like homosexuality, I think they'd be even mroe crushed if they found out that you felt you couldn't be honest and tell them. Know what I mean?

i'm not going to yell at u, ur entitled 2 ur opinion just as much as anyone else. you may think it is wrong but atleast u except those friends who are and see them for the person they relli are. thats very mature of u.
and donna i agree with u. i would much rather go to hell happy than be around ignorant, self absorbed and narror minded individuals in heaven. wot kind of heaven is that ne way

TheWorldFell&UWerentThere

i am sorry but i dont respect your post. it seems you belive that people choose to be gay.. does that mean you could?

Seriously.. its not a choice. we are what we are.

Thank You Kristen.

Ps i Love Pickles. im sorry for fussing about that,
but your choice of word to use. its just funny

I have nothing against religous people saying "You know you're going to hell for being gay" it's there belief, and it's up to the other person to decide if that's true or not. If some one rags on them constantly about how wrong and desgusting it is, that's a different thing. It's like "here's a warning, and here's hatred".

I support gay rights. I have about five bi friends (and know other bis that aren't quite friends) and two of them are basically my best friends. I respect there choice, and if I felt a really strong attractoin to girls, I'd probably admit it.

Oh, well thanks Bob. The only part of any Holly book I've read is the cover-besides The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster which I don't really take serously.

Once again, thanks for correcting my ignorance.

"anything other than that is forgivable when done (or repented) with a pure heart, so all those who want to condemn people for their preferences in life, let them cast the first stones at each other...."

I completely agree with you, Bob. Everything is forgivable like you said.

Lovely Bones, I agree.
I'm a Christian, it's in the bible: homosexual is WRONG! I go what the bible says. If any of ya'll have a problem with that then deal with it.
Ya'll can't change me. But yes it's not right. God made men for women and women for men. Not for both or the same sex. It's gross and unruly.
I'm sorr if I've offended you. I'm sure you're a great person, but it's just I don't agree with homosexualism.

^^ bob.... here here!!

happy new year everyone

Happy new year.

i hope your not really 21 years old. if you are you need to grow up. your an adult and if your family don't like it stuff them

sorry but thats how i feel

people these days!!!! lmfao

hmm.. this seems to be a hot topic, filled with controversy and interesting thoughts/ideas..

This might seem wierd, but I agree with everyone (for the most part) If you think about it, everyone is right in some way. To me, its all about perspective, being open-minded, and accepting of other people.

Religion. Ah, religion.. what a player in this mighty game of homo vs. hetero chess. Yeah,the Bible mentions things about "sexual impurities", and yeah, it says that they're sins. But you gotta think about a few things.

1. Alot of the Bible has been revised over the years, edited and rephrased by numerous religious leaders, all to protect the "way of christianity"
I even heard one account of Benjamin Franklin deleating several books from his bible because he didn't agree with the things it said. So you see, the Bible, although true, has been muddled.

2. If you do believe that homosexuality is a sin because the bible says it is, then you are right.. but you are also wrong. it is JUST A SIN, easily forgiven by God, just like the rest of them. All sins are equal, in a way. I find it strange how people are so hypocritical. If being homosexual is a one-way ticket to hell, then we all are pretty much doomed, because we sin all the freaking time!

If you're gay, all power to you. You've gotta put up with all the idiotic crap people hold against you. And if you're not, then its really none of your business. Its not your problem, so don't get so worked up about it.

I'm done now. lol

Oh by the way. Bob, you've totally hit the target with the whole judging thing. Nice. (I forgot to say that earlier :P )

millsy were u talking to me coz no i'm not 21 i'm 17 and even if i was an adult my parents opinions and acceptance still matters alot to me but i suppose in the end i will always do what i think is right for me. as should anyone else.

Taylor, you said homosexuality, according to the bible, is JUST A SIN. I havent looked at the bible in some time, but last time I checked it was pretty full on. Something about 'those who choose to fill their minds with filthy thoughts shall burn in all eternity in hell' or something along those lines. Now, to me, it doesnt seem as if God thinks it's just another sin. I however, think the same about gays as straight people.

I had choices about being a lesbian but no option of living heterosexually. Some people like me get married have kids. They go through life unfulfilled, unhappy and in some ways ruin their lives and those of the man they lied to. To some degree I was heading in this direction because I was afraid and don’t really fit into what I perceive as the tradition lesbian stereotype.

I’ve never had emotional feeling or found any male attractive in my life. So I read comments that gays have a choice worded as if committing some sort of heinous act. The real truth is the opposite. Several times I’ve gotten into situations and ended up sleeping with guys and mentally there was just nothing there. Why would someone go through that? Because the truth isn’t easy, well it hasn’t been for me anyway.

I have read somewhere that everyone sits on a scale from heterosexual, to bi sexual through to gay. Those on the limits of each end in that case wouldn’t have a choice. Anyone who sits somewhere in between obviously would have the option.

What if we lived in an imaginary world where most of the population was gay? Would some heterosexuals feel pressured to fit in? Many would choose to remain heterosexuals because for them that would be the right choice. So why does it have to be sometimes so wrong just to follow your feeling?

Everyone had post his opinion so here is mine, when a person is being born he either a male or female. For those who were born with homosexual if true then their parents should guide them to return them to normal, no matter what you guys think being a gay or lesbian is not normal. For those who have chosen to be like that they have their own reasons but still I think society should help them to return normal again. I don’t hate gays or lesbians as long as they are good people but my opinion is that we are made to complete each other (male for female and vise verse). For a man to be attracted by a woman is something congenital and the same goes for a woman. This instinct may be changed for some reasons but not disappeared. So we should return for who we are truly. After all we all came because of a man have relation with a woman and no matter what you will do you can’t be born only by the help of those two. Do you know why animals do not have gays and lesbians between them? Because they always their instinct never changed. Before I get attacked by you guys, like I said before I do not hate them (gays and lesbians as long as they are good people).

Bob, you must have over looked a few parts of my thread. I clearly said at the end, "I'm sure you're a great person. I just don't agree with homosexualism." Now, is that being judgmental. I said homosexual is WRONG! Doesn't mean I won't think the person is a good person. But I was raised into a straight family that raised me straight and taught me straight and taught me homosexual is wrong. It was how I was raised. I can't help the way I was raised. YOu're attacking me from my opinion. Yes the bible I've read clearly states that homosexualism is wrong and is a sin!
I didn't judge anyone, I'm stating MY opinion.
I think homosexual is wrong.
I'm not judging the person. I'm just saying I don't agree with their sexuality.

Patiently,
I respect what you say. The bible also says that wicked people in general will suffer. That means straight people too. Liars, adulterors, ect. What the author of the message probably inferred (expecting people to assume this) is, although saying that bluntly, he was not including the grace of God through the sacrifice of Christ in those particular verses. He meant that for wicked people who didn't believe God.

Its just.. If God can love and forgive a murderer, why can't he do the same for a homosexual person? Why Does his love have to be shared with only a certain pattern of people? I think people forget how compassionate he is.

It's just God is probably wondering what is gong on. Because he knows and everone knows good and well he made men for women and women for men. It's not that I don't hate the homosexuals or disrepsect them, I don't aprove of it.

Let God be the one to dissaprove if he wills it. Its not your problem.

Well everyone has basically said my opinoin, so I'll just say what's left of mine :D

I beleive people today are too hypocrytical. They beleieve so much in the Bible, it's the only thing they really hear. They should take into consideration that God did NOT write the bible! So therefore, it cannot be his true message.

Message from a gay, Catholic person of society (Yes, it's quiet possible)

How sterotypical...however that is not true.

Many people are so ignorant to think that if pedophiles like children of the same sex means that they are gay. THIS IS NOT THE CASE! In fact, most pedophiles are hetro (no offense).

I hate homophobia...but in this country, it's a disease (as said before).

Using the word "homophobic" to mean fear of or hatred of homosexuals (a general definition currently accepted both societally and officially) is fine. The archaic and outdated version of the word may be linguistically fascinating but it's completely illogical to insist that people use it now. As far as "somebody changing its initial meaning," language is ever-evolving and any changes that occur within it are natural and excepted.

Pedophiles

I’m not sure how this somehow automatically manages to get into most gay threads. Bob your right technically that if a male molests a boy it could also be classified as a homosexual act.
In a great proportion of these cases though the perpetrator tends to be married or have had sex with female prostitutes and regards themselves to be heterosexual

But this is totally irrelevant; the person is probably addicted to sex. If you stuck male and female genitalia on a fridge magnet you would find them in the kitchen. Their sex addiction problem is compounded by their lack of a conscience and any moral control. The point is their addicted to sex and have no problem with hurting anyone perceived as an easy target to obtain their pleasure.

I feel sorry for pedophiles as they are unlikely to ever be cured. And if they found remorse for what they had done they would probably kill themselves anyway.

^^ sad but true

i totally think that gay people shouldn't keep it a secret... just because they r not the same as most of the people around them doesn't mean anything bad... gay people, i find, are alot more caring and respectful of other people.. im not gay... and i have no problem with people who are...people are people... no one is perfect.. and no one is the same... people should be able to feel like they can express them selves no matter if they are straight, gay or bi... the world and society is changing and i think that the beliefs of people should to.. we all should be able to accept them for who they are

*applauds* I agree with both of the posts above mine [arika's and Bob's]

Paedophilia always gets brought up when homosexuality does and I will never understand why as they are 2 completely different things... If it is consented sexual intercourse between adults [18 or above] whatever gender then there is not an issue in my eyes... whatever makes you happy...

Paedophiles go for children.. doesn't make any difference whether they go for the same sex or opposite.. it is wrong... taking the innocence of a child away is wrong and there is no other way to look at it.. when it comes to gays and lesbians [adults] whether you want to accept it or not who are you to say who one can love and can't love? Nobody can help who they fall in love with or what gender they go for.. same sex or opposite... so what? isn't it the happiness of people that matter?