READ THIS PLEASE~!

I want to know what you think about this...and please try to open your eyes and read this don't close your mind and not listen to the facts, this is something my brother wrote

"incoherent ramble-fest. Yes this is very incoherent. I mean look at all the words I type they ramble on and on and on. Go delete it. Ban me I have other sites to speak in. I chose this because I liked the title. As for the whole god, evolution issue my real opinion is....

People believe in god because they are scared. Scared to live a life that does not have a meaning. Scared that their fate is not sealed. Religious people can use excuses like god must not have wanted me to get that job. No you did not earn the job you where not good enough your fate is not in gods hands but your own and the hands of the others around you.

God in many ways is like Santa. Be good you get presents(Heaven). Be bad and you get coal (Hell).

In conclusion evolution is right there are to many things that point us in that direction. Are me and you different. If yes than that is a sign of evolution.

These are my opinions listen if you want, ban me if you want, delete it if you want, I was just heating the argument up."

God is real. And no, he doesn't mold your fate, you do. We make our own desicions. God just knows what we're going to decide and gives a gentle push now and then.

If you really want to discuss this and want to know the truth PMme

Mm. As if evolution must be the answer, if God isn't it. As if they cancel each other out. Not quite the most elegant example of deductive reasoning I've ever seen.

My 2 cents: I think many people are afraid of living in a world WITH meaning. Then they'd actually have to stop and think about what it might be. They might actually have to change.

But thanks for getting me to think for a second.

What is truth? we can never really know....

*spaces out*

Yes i see where you coming from and it is true that some of what you said is why SOME people believe in god. but you must realise there are many other reasons as well. everyone has their own beliefs and opinions and different ways in which they see and interpret god.

Evolution is based on a whole bunch of maybes. maybe there was a big bang and life started. maybe one ameba joined another and formed life.

i would rather belive in God any day than evolutionist garbage. atleast with God there is a solid foundation.

Yeah..

I'm a Christain, And i must say. That didn't offend me in any way, amazingly. I agree that we as humans have evolved, "as in to our surroundings" WE have evolved in knowledge, we do every day when we attend school. We evolve when we play a sport, learning each and every move and rule. Evolution isn't just physical appearence, it has to do with the mind. You know, "mind over matter".
I agree we have evolved, but I don't agree with anything else your brother had said. I do not run to God with every problem I have, and I admit when I'm wrong or not good anough. When I have a problem, I take care of it, not God, I ask for guidence, but not pity or for Him to do it for me.If I want to pass a test, I study, I believe that God only helps those who help themselves.
(And not everyone is like that, "Christains" I mean, Ones like me)

-Liz-

thank you if you read this

"Evolution is based on a whole bunch of maybes. maybe there was a big bang and life started. maybe one ameba joined another and formed life.

i would rather belive in God any day than evolutionist garbage. atleast with God there is a solid foundation."

Ok, then please tell me some of the "solid foundation....and I personally don't believe in evolution, I just don't believe in "god" either. And "maybe" there is a "god" MAYBE he created life, the same thing can be said for christianity, so please, PM me and tell me what solid foundation is in this! Unless there isn't any

I seriously want to know some of this "solid foundation" and this person commented me talking about miracles, I want someone to tell me a miracle that cannot be solved scientifically and then maybe I'll take it more seriously

"God is real. And no, he doesn't mold your fate, you do. We make our own desicions. God just knows what we're going to decide and gives a gentle push now and then."

^^^
Watch The Matrix if you wanna learn about fate. There seems to be a redundancy in God knowing the future. For if God knows what will happen, then aren't we just going to follow a certain path anyway? How can someone make the "right choice" if it is certain that they will do something? Furhtermore, if one was told what was going to happen in the future, would that really change anything? Or would said person just walk the path regardless?

Mm, I don't know if this would help the above two postees, but it did help some things fall into place in my mind.

There is the idea in some areas of religious philosophy the God exists, but is not restricted by the bonds of time and space. Since He exists outside of our concept of time, it is not as though he "knows what will happen in the future," because, to God, all time is experienced as the present. So, He knows what "is," rather than what "will be." In this theory, I think, we'd still be in charge of our own actions.

I like that you bring up the Matrix. And I definitely think that knowing one's future would solidify it, in some way. I'd really rather not know mine, unless it was in very abstract terms.

Back to the original post, I see it running like this.

premise 1. People believe in God because they are scared.
premise 2. God gives them assurance. Or presents.
premise 3. People are different from each other

Therefore: Evolution is real, and God is not.

I actually agree that evolution is probably how things happen. I'd be interested in hearing why you thought this displaced God... but they'd have to be well thought out and cohesive, not like this "argument."

God is real. No doubt about it. It makes much more sense than evolution to me. People say we evolved from monkeys, but then why do we still have monkeys? Wouldn't they have evolved too? Also, I agree with the person that said that evolution is a bunch of maybes. It's true. When you can give me solid proof that we evolved from monkeys let me know. Because God is the reason for our creation. With out him, you would have nothing, you would BE nothing. God is not like Santa....while there is the similarity, there are also many differences. When you mess up in Santa's book, youre stuck with that mark. In God's book, there is a chance to have that mark erased. Also, your fate is in your hands. God can't make your choices for you. Just as no one else can. God is a person with a body, like you, or me, or anyone out there. He cannot control you. He is our father, and like all fathers, he is protective, but loves you so much that He wants you to experience life on your own. Sorry, No questions, GOD IS REAL.

Comrade Mo: As said before give us some decent evidence that proves that God is real. All we have is an old book that has been translated so many times that half of what is in it is wrong. Yes the evidence for evolution is still shaky but heck at least it is some hard evidence, instead of a book. As for the 'why do we still have monkeys if we evolved from them' statement. Ok first we evolved from apes not monkeys and we still have apes because environmental pressures led our ancestors to evolve differently. We have no qualms agreeing say that a horse and a donkey are related but are different species so why should there be any difference between us being related to apes?

Ok, I still have not heard one single piece of solid evidence, and people talking about this "old book" I'm guessing they mean the bible, what evidence is there that some random person didn't write it to gain some power, to make people believe this "god" told him to rule and so on?

"He tries to tell me what I put inside of me
Hes got the answers to ease my curiosity
He dreamed up a God and called it Christianity" -Nine Inch Nails- Heresy

^ I think one argument against the "random power-hungry guy writing the bible" is that it -wasn't- just written by one person. It was compiled from many different sources, over several years. Some people use that to say "see, then it must not be true!" but I think it's a good example of how Christianity was a far-reaching force from its earliest times, and it wasn't just one ambitious individual. There are many non-Biblical but contemporary sources describing the effects of this Jesus fellow.

Unfortunately, I think you're unwittingly on to something right, and that is that people take advantage of any power structure there is, in order to achieve their own ends. This includes Christianity, as an organized religion. But if someone really wanted to take control of an idea in order to control people, I'd think that they wouldn't use a system that teaches "serve others," "blessed are the poor and downtrodden" and that oppressors, the materialistically powerful and the greedily wealthy are the ones that are farthest from God. Sort of ironic that people would aim to corrupt a system of thought that tries to extinguish corruption.

But people keep saying "different sources" "solid foundation" but I haven't heard even one piece of evidence supporting that yet, let alone one that cannot be scientifically incorrect, ^and maybe, then, it could have been many powerhungry people, one person started it then other people thought it was a good idea to keep it going to gain power

I think it is funny and annoying how people are always like, "yes there is evidence" and "yes there is proof" but can they give me proof or evidence? no! They say it because they want people to think they're smart but when asked to elaborate they cannot so they stop posting

"Different sources." Found: http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-authors.html

Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy = Moses - 1400 B.C.
Joshua = Joshua - 1350 B.C.
Judges, Ruth, 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel = Samuel / Nathan / Gad - 1000 - 900 B.C.
1 Kings, 2 Kings = Jeremiah - 600 B.C.
1 Chronicles, 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah = Ezra - 450 B.C.
Esther = Mordecai - 400 B.C.
Job = Moses - 1400 B.C.
Psalms = several different authors, mostly David - 1000 - 400 B.C.
Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon = Solomon - 900 B.C.
Isaiah = Isaiah - 700 B.C.
Jeremiah, Lamentations = Jeremiah - 600 B.C.
Ezekiel = Ezekiel - 550 B.C.
Daniel = Daniel - 550 B.C.
Hosea = Hosea - 750 B.C.
Joel = Joel - 850 B.C.
Amos = Amos - 750 B.C.
Obadiah = Obadiah - 600 B.C.
Jonah = Jonah - 700 B.C.
Micah = Micah - 700 B.C.
Nahum = Nahum - 650 B.C.
Habakkuk = Habakkuk - 600 B.C.
Zephaniah = Zephaniah - 650 B.C.
Haggai = Haggai - 520 B.C.
Zechariah = Zechariah - 500 B.C.
Malachi = Malachi - 430 B.C.
Matthew = Matthew - 55 A.D.
Mark = John Mark - 50 A.D.
Luke = Luke - 60 A.D.
John = John - 90 A.D.
Acts = Luke - 65 A.D.
Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon = Paul - 50-70 A.D.
Hebrews = unknown, best guesses are Paul, Luke, Barnabas, or Apollos - 65 A.D.
James = James - 45 A.D.
1 Peter, 2 Peter = Peter - 60 A.D.
1 John, 2 John, 3 John = John - 90 A.D.
Jude = Jude - 60 A.D.
Revelation = John - 90 A.D.

These are the people who, most likely wrote the different books of the Bible. Keep in mind that there were other books that were not contained in the modern Bible, but are still considered religious texts.

I think it's kind of strange that you're asking people to offer scientific facts about a set of faith-based values. Sure, we can "prove" that Jesus existed, etc., but we aren't going to be able to prove that what he said is right. That's a matter of faith. Scientists are the ones who base their conjectures on a series of physical evidence... isn't the burden of "proof" on them?

Broken soul, it'sa funny how all of the bible and all of it's characters correspond with history so well. records from older civilizations have had records of people from the bible. if no one part of the bible can be disproved with true proof then the bible, jesus, and God are either an extremely elaborate hoax playing over several thousand years of falsities or it is real.

oh and i'd rather belive in something blindly than in nothing. call it fear if you want but if i'm wrong then oh well i'll be where you are. but if i'm right then we're going separate directions

My theory: God can be neither proven...NOR can God be disproven...hence yes we all have our ideas and beliefs and theories and though we can debate, nobody can really claim that anybody is "wrong"

I, myself, believe in God...to an extent. Having been brought up Catholic and gone to Catholic schools for all hmm...13/14 years of my life...I just do not feel any inclination to conform to Christianity...or any religion until I feel it really strongly in my heart and soul and mind. Too many people just label themselves because thats either what they're brought up to do or they have no opinions of their own and it sounds good.

I agree

Hey, I'm not saying we came from a monkey, I don't believe in evolution nor "god" I'm not trying to intensionally put down a religion, I just wanted to see some factual evidence people have been talking about, and I know there is no way to actually prove or disprove "god" or evolution, but I wanted to see whether people would open their eyes and try to see the truth in this whether they believe in "god" or not

I myself believe in God because, I have stared death in the eyes more than my fair sure and each time, I prayed and he has always came through for me. We all have the right to believe what we want, that right was given to us freely to use as we see fit. You have to use your on judgment on that one.

"In conclusion evolution is right there are to many things that point us in that direction. Are me and you different. If yes than that is a sign of evolution."

support your opinions, you stated this belief in evolution to start with and now that so many christians bash you, you say you never believed in it.

i don't believe in evolution and it's my opinion that you'd have a better chance believing you were descended from the dog across the street, but don't back down from your ideals.

and give me one shred of nailed down scientific evidence of evolution if my earlier post on how the bible is right isn't good enough evidence

It all comes down to whether or not one is spiritual.

It is obvious that none of this "god" stuff can be physically proven, otherwise there wouldn't be so many gods (Christian, Egyptian, Hindu, Islamic, etc.).

The point is that believing in a higher power gives spiritual people the strength to carry on. It gives them hope, and it gives them a reason to live and to be the best person that they can be.

I myself do not believe in any god, but I can understand fully why a person would - I've seen faith bring wonderful things into people's lives.

No, Britt.

They obviously just haven't updated the system in a while.

This has been a theory for ages.

Remember how evolution works: Everything started with single celled organisms. We all came form the same compost heap.

The thing is, why most people don't like to be a christian and go to church and all that is because they're going to the wrong church.

my church doesn't have some fat guy in a robe telling me whether i'm righteous or not. who is he to tell me i'm going to heaven or not.

i talk directly to God, i don't need a man of position (who in the history has made some wrong decisions) telling me what to do. it's me and God, not God, the pope, the bishops, the preacher, the deacons, then me

"support your opinions, you stated this belief in evolution to start with and now that so many christians bash you, you say you never believed in it.

i don't believe in evolution and it's my opinion that you'd have a better chance believing you were descended from the dog across the street, but don't back down from your ideals."

No I never said that I believe in evolution, I said my brother wrote it, but I believe that evolution makes more sense then this "god" that rules all and is all mighty.

Why would I care if Christians bash me that I don't know, heck my friends even think that I should believe in "god" but I'm not changing my views because of other people, nor am I asking you to change yours

Hey, like I said, we all have the right to believe what we want to believe in. And no one can take that right from you, Myself I'm no saint, but I don't knock anyone for what they think or believe. So if you'll happy believing what you do, than thats all that matters.

You don't believe it but it makes sense. oh well that explains it all. what do you believe! just say it

I don't really believe in anything, but to me evolution makes more sense then a mighty "god" but that doesn't mean I believe in it, and hey don't get mad I'm not trying to bash Christians

Your life will forever be an empty shell. you may believe in nothing, but nothing will ever believe in you.

I don't need a religion to fall back on, I live life as it comes, and I don't need to believe there is something after death to get me thru each day

You live one step ahead of life and one day when you least expect it, it will come back to haunt you, might even kill you

Yes, not believing in you "god" is going to kill me? how do you get this? Threatening me? Now this "god" you speak of will come kill me as I sleep?

She is turning 13 of course she is full of questions and curiosities, it is your kind of response that would make her want to turn away from religion when she gets older. The only true religion, is the one that protects all, no matter what their beliefs. If you believe in the bible then you know you are not her judge.

I fully agree on that, there shouldn't be that much pressure on her at that age.That will scar her for life.

Haha, I've already turned away from religion, so many people believing they must do exactly right, and if they don't they will go to hell, if there was a higher being a "god" that cared for everyone, why would this "god" make some people stuck with this fate? So this is why I don't believe it, it doesn't add up....well thanks I guess?