Winners 5/8/2012.. <3

Lol Connie is giving the pressure, can you feel it Larry? LOL

Congrats to the winners, and other HM's

Thank you for the comment and HM, wasn't expecting that at all...means so much to me to even get a HM

and Thanks to Nana and all the judges...
Hopefully the glitch sorts itself out for the next week

No body sent me comments for britt, not even..votes, if i don't post comments, like in the case you mentioned before, it's because i was not sent them, i can do many things, except for commenting for the judges...lol!

So switch my poem up there where Britts is then

let me guess..... YOU CANT

^^Connie, It seems like you have a problem...

Um yeah...

I have lots LOL

but mostly with what happened this week with the contest

I wish i can!!

None of us can change the front page. Nana is doing what she can, given the circumstances.

We have already contacted Janis about the problem.

Nana tries her best and does a fantastic job every damn week getting the comment and votes together, if the site wants to muck up her hard work, don't blame her for it!!

I feel your frustration Connie, but why take it out on the wrong person/people...site glitches happen all the time, not our fault

Tara Kay...

Just to set things straight I do not blame Miss Lebanon for what happened. I agree she does a fantastic job week after week.

I dont know who has powers to do what around here...who posts the actual winners and who compares what....

not our fault!
^^^

Good God who said anything about you, Tara Kay not me!!

It is frustrating...

Lets just drop it- its no ones fault.

I hope it doesn't happen to you guys.

Connie, you misunderstood me...

I meant to say, not the fault of us here, your tone with Nana annoyed me, but I apologise for the way I addressed you, if you were offended or found my tone harsh, I am sorry.

I hate getting into arguments here...

I apologize to You Miss Lebanon and Tara Kay too...

I'm quick to jump and defend some people too, so I understand TK

I swear this time I am done bitchin, we learned something from it I suppose.

Just my analysis of this week's fiasco, from an ex-judge's experience, may help answer Connie's question :

"Glitch or human error?"

^ It is very likely a human error, in my opinion.

Reasons: When voting on the list of poems, each adorned with a 10, 7, 4 below the poem (for judge's)...one can easily make an error to vote on someone else's poem, if not careful, particularly if the poems are next to each other in the list, or similar named, and the judge severely fatigued. After reading 40-50 poems, there is sometimes a tendency to start clicking on the choices in a hurry to beat the Sat night deadline for the votes (the comments are due on Sun, so enough time to write them).
Only after the votes are cast, the comments are written and forwarded to Ms. Sunshine, generally on Sunday, to be posted. The comments are required to have the scores written next to them.

This week:
12 comments and 12 votes = only 4 judges voted and wrote comments. No back up was available this week perhaps, to fill the missing judge's shoes (an issue which has occurred several times before). The mods and Ms. Sunshine can shed more light on this issue.

Carry over of last week's votes is a possibility, but by itself, causing a win, is doubtful, as there was no other vote or associated comment here - but the mods know better. So, I believe there is an alternate explanation.

The very fact that Lostlove1 had 7+7 = 14, associated with comments attests to the fact that 2 of the 4 voting judges voted for her.

Even if the missing judge (or sub) voted for Britt's poem, there is no way that this judge could have voted a 10+7 (or a 10+4) for the same poem, nor would he be able to vote twice on the same poem, as the system will prevent this. And, I am sure the missing comment, when available will support this.

So, in my opinion, this error, however inadvertent, could have been because of a sleepy judge/s who clicked on the wrong button in a hurry to beat the deadline.(OR changed his/her mind, OR truly forgot which poem he/she gave a 7 or changed his vote at the end, and proceeded to write a comment on the wrong one)...can happen, it is only human...if one does not write it down separately, after reading 40-50 poems).

Previously, Ms. Sunshine did have the ability to fix this error (has happened with me once...), but is no longer possible, as this "error fix" ability has been removed (I believe in Feb)......However, given the unfairness of the situation, and the possibility of such errors occuring again, I think it should be restored back.

Ms. Sunshine and the mods, should be easily able to refute or verify what I just stated, because each written comment comes attached with the vote (so such errors can be easily identified).

Feel free to fully trash my analysis, but if correct, you folks need to come out in the open and make amends to your statements, to be fair to the real winner (Lostlove1).

Disclosure: This is a post-hoc analysis only, not an attempt to prove anyone is wrong. The two poems in question are indeed worthy of a joint honor, and so is Xanthe's (just my opinion). I only wish there were 5 winners....this week, and some weeks. But, you folks have already booted out the idea.

So, I don't really want to seem like I'm too knowing or something but...in my opinion Connie has every right to be upset, it's not about a win or votes or anything, it's just HER right.I would suggest the judges to vote for her poem 'Her Poems' this week so it will be fair...we must see it on the front page, guys. Connie I wish I could give you my place but it seems that none of us are able to...I understand what you are feeling and honestly? for me, winning isn't a big deal, all of my poems are winners in my opinion, I used to think otherwise but now, I do believe that every poem who is heart felt is special and a front page. Nana has NOTHING to do with this, Connie, however! the girl is trying her best and you must never blame her, she is making great effort every week by posting this thread and glue all comments/votes altogether, we should thank her instead of blame her. :)

I definitely DO NOT want to win because someone feels sorry for me for this mix up. I do not blame Miss Sunshine for any of this!

Shit happens (usually to me though lol)

Seriously I am not mad at ANYONE.

Things happen and I understand fully, no big deal

Let it die

I would suggest the judges to vote for her poem 'Her Poems' this week so it will be fair...

^ Poetess, influencing the judges is not what anyone would want to do in a situation like this.

Errors occur, sometimes inadvertently, after all we are human....but if they are fixable, then by all means one should do it to be fair. Britt also wrote a beautiful poem, and perhaps someone voted for her but forgot to comment. So the best solution would be to consider it a tie, and see if Janis can fix the situation by adding another WIN to Lostlove1's poem, rather than take away what has been already done.
But, what do I know, no one has acknowledged that it was a human error (machines rarely would make this kind of error).

I don;t mean to spoil your explanation David, but I'm sorry to tell you, that what I used to fix, is totaly a diff problem. What I fixed for you before, is something, and this is something else. 4 judges voted this week, and commented, thier votes and comments are clear and obvious, yet we have a winner on the front page, that no judge sent votes to, or even cast a vote..as far as I know.
So why should we say, somebody voted for it but forgot to comment, or by mistake...well where was the vote ? I am able to view the votes on the contest page, unlike judges!

It is a site glitche, trust me, so posting such stuff isn't really giving Connie her right back, nor fixing the situation. Its only adding MORE suggestions on why did this happen, when it's all untrue.

it's unfair, but it happened, the situation was reported to Janis

And ya ofcourse I'm not blamed, I post the results and comments, I don't do magic.

And the system does allow for the judges to cuurently vote for the same poem two weeks in a row.

^^ Your explanation clarifies everything, Nana (and Sher). I wish you were that clear in the beginning of this forum, then people would have understood completely. Nor did I insuinate anyone (heavens no! you guys do a wonderful job), just merely commented on the possibility of a human error (by the judges sleepy fingers), which you have effectively excluded by clarifying now, i.e you can actually see the votes on which poems the judges voted on....something I was unaware of....I used to think, you are only able to see whether the judge used up all 3 of his votes, which you know well, sometimes you needed to remind us.

Hopefully, everyone is now satisfied. Good work explaining clearly Nana. The computer did indeed pick a good winner, ha! Maybe, it is the superjudge... kicks out decisions, it disagrees with. Beware judges of the new Johnny Five!.

That was clarified earlier in the thread..

Where? May I ask?

"Nana posted the poems in accord with a tie breaker between Britt & Connie. However, the tie-breaker carried over to the next week without breaking the tie."

^If this was the explanation, it was definitely inadequate, as your poem had no votes at all this week, for a tiebreak, nor a 5th or a 6th judge to break the tie?

But, since no one really understood what that meant, I suggested an alternate explanation, a "human glitch".
Why the s...?
Maybe then our supercomputer Johnny Five needs to go to the repair shop.

Nana has explained the limitations she has, she doesn't move poems to the front page, and she doesn't vote for judges, as Larry stated before Sher, Janis made a change. That's all been said earlier in this thread :)

I don't know about the tie breaker. Makes no sense to me.

True, but she had been equally puzzled on this issue, from her first 2 posts. So people including myself took it that there was not a good explanation as to why the error occurred.

"...she doesn't vote for judges"

^and for reasons that I cannot disclose, I beg to differ on this one.

But, I am sure we are now in consensus that this error was not "man made" at this time, until Janis takes a careful look at what caused Johnny Five to go birsirk. I think I know the answer, but for the confidentiality of the voting system, I will no longer speculate on this thread. Errors are only partly machine made, mostly human.

Regardless, it will be a very good idea to give Nana her power back for a manual corrective fix, to over-ride an inadvertent judging error.

I really don't see why this is still going on this way...it's useless. Let's just at least wait for Janis to reply, or fix.. Patience patience...

She used to vote for judges, but as stated a few times now in this post, which probably led to the glitch, Janis made a change to where she won't be placing votes anymore. Janis made it so a judge can vote on the same poem two weeks in a row. So yes, while she used to and probably did for you, she no longer has to.

Point is there is a problem in the system. The computer did not select the poets with the most points this week and it did not reset the points.

There is no use dragging this on. We have notified Janis and now all we can do is wait and write more poems.

Thank you for your precise answer which lays to rest all speculations/theories.
Johnny five... it is then, does have a mind of his own, and needs his master to fix him from running amok.