Forthright honedty !!!!!

I see being straightforward and honest , in a poetry site is a biggest burden that no one could carry
Honesty is an Olympic torch that torches its own carrier first. So let it be

This is a poem that one of the member of this site has written: (http://www.poems-and-quotes.com/misc/poems.php?id=1210076)
First I apologize using her poem as example. This is a poem that I have no problem with I myself come with a mediocre verse or something that is not poetry, if not all the time, at list once in a while.
But when one of our judges comment that poem like this:
"THIS THIS THIS !! NOMINATED!
YES YES YES"
and nominates that poem , it means either that judge is friend with that person so much that her friendship over shadows her judgment, or she is totally numbed about poetry!! Anyhow in either case this person has no business in being a judge.
I am sorry to remind you, that in such a disarray, everything becomes so personal. And when thing become this personal, they, take criticism such as this very personally,
But I have no choice, that is why I even can't hold on to my membership.
There are really good poets around this site that their hope is to be read and acknowledged, in a fair and honest environment but their chances are depended upon the people such as this judge judges who are praised like this: Nicko : "you have done and are doing a great job, I have worked with you as a judge and trust you implicitly." (http://www.poems-and-quotes.com/discussion/topic.html?topic_id=138302)

the burden of being a judge is the heaviest one of all from the conscience point of view, and my question is, when you can not carry that burden, why do you bother?

Ms Sunshine is not a judge.
She's just an organizer of the weekly contest.

So because Nana hosts she can not nominate?

Thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.

You people who insist on picking on Nana are really pissing me off.

Edited: lol I didn't read your post well, Chelsey.

YES, she is NOT a judge. How can she be one, and she sees all the votes/comments of other judges?

:O

What I have said is not personal at all. I even like Nana but as I mentioned you have no choice but to treat it personally.

Lmao I meant to say she can not NOMINATE....sorry...soo annoyed I type the wrong thng.

First of all I am not a current judge I only work with judges as collect all the comments and votes.

second of all, I have a quite a good number of praised comments for a good reason I believe, unless all of those who praised my 211 comments are my friend ? no ? you can't just pick a comment I've made on a piece you dont consider a poem ?! I think it is quite very well deserving of being nominated infact.

who are you to evaluate, in the first place ?

I and Britt rarely talk at this stage, we are both busy people outside the website, so we dont come to msn anymore, so has nothing to do with friendship.

your problem is with me ? since Luce thought it was addictive, I can't see the difference between nominating a piece I thought was amazing and between someone else thinking it is addictive! it shows how good it is.

When something is off, I do usually mention it, but you have no right to object on the way I feel about any piece.

I don't understand a word of this:

the burden of being a judge is the heaviest one of all from the conscience point of view, and my question is when you can not carry that burden, why do you bother

^
what are you even talking about, what burden ? just because you don't think the poem I nominated is good enough, I become numbed about poetry ? lol seriously ?

Anyway thank you

I don't even understand the point of this thread...

Nana, walk away...walk far awaaayyyyyyy because people are ridiculous...

Other people are wanting to be read and acknowledged? AWESOME! work your way up like the rest of us did...Britt and I have been here 8 years and its time we get recognized as well as everyone else who have been here a long time and have worked hard on their writing....

sooooo Im not sure what the fuss is about?

Well, Ddavidd, if you treat it personal, get it right.

Nana is not a judge, she organizes the votes & comments & publishes them in this forum.

She, like any other member with nominating status is free to focus on any poem she wants.

I don't know!

And on a side note, if you want to complain about me, there you go : I was a previous judge before, I was nominated by others and approved by Mods. lol

not personal ? I can see that

FINALLY someone agrees ----. That's jewels, Chelsey!!

Like really, no one enters this website with a spotlight on their foreheads. It needs time and energy to gain that!

And, everybody is free to nominate whatever he/she likes. GET OVER IT.

I mean it was quite awkward to win 3 weeks in a row, but every PM or text I got told me to stop saying "but other people need recognition", because I worked damn hard to grow deeper with poetry and write how I do now and I deserved it....

so any nomination, any win , is deserving to those who have kicked butt to get there! Also deserving to any new person who has blown a nominator or judge away...

we all have our opionions on poetry I dont get what it matters who picked what poem, who voted for which poem, which poem won...wtf? This thread is just....garbage really.

Http://www.poems-and-quotes.com/author_comments_praised.html?id=302627

these are my comments, as I said, pick one of it so we complain about me, I'm bored anyway

This thread is ridiculous! :-(

I bet real meaning wears crocs

I edited for you my comment on Britt's poem, so you know why I nominated it, although I can't care less whether you consider it a poem or not.

Lol Yaki hahahah, omggg

Larry
If she is not judge that there is no concern about her judgment. My main concern was how easily judgment could get personal and drained out of its own meaning, real meaning.
I have seen real poor judgement around here, and base on what was said in the other thread it was easy for me to assume that she was a judge. otherwise, not being a judge, she has all the rights to have poor judgment as she wishes like the rest of us.

Ya but I was a judge before, what's the difference ? poor judgment LOL I can see your poor judgement about other stuff, it's quite obvious.

Who are you to determine what poor judgement is?? Its called TASTE...PREFERENCE...OPINIONS....we all differ....do not go saying who has poor or better judgement...we all just have DIFFERENT judgement, which should be none of your concern

Who's got my fly swatter? I have this annoying buzz in my ear!!!!!!!

bahahha

I don't know if I'm mistaken, but I never saw you commenting on any piece on this website.

And at any level, I don't get why anyone would get pissed of people expressing their love to a poem even by just saying 'This wowed me'... We should be thankful that we are being read. What's important is to make sure that what you're writing is delivered to others, without expectations of getting lengthy comments.

Damn, David you are blunt. Nice :P

No offence to anyone. Just passing by.

Dear sunshine: if you were a judge pleas enlighten us in what criteria you nominated that poem
from a judge point of view ( a former judge)?? What did you find so extraordinary in this poem ??
the poet has all the right to express her feeling I have no problem with her,( except the cocaine part that should be ranked explicit in a family oriented site.)
My criticism is how did you end up judging poetry? How did you find this poem so exquisitely extraordinary and nominating worthy?
What differs this from the other poems that you did not find that way??
this case is so exaggerated that could be used as example for what is really really wrong around here. Again my sincere apology to the writer of it that I think is a fine writer.

there is long way to the sunshine in this site my dear sunshine

Tskkk tskk tskk...

I will never stop questioning what it matters to you..its between the author and the reader, not the bystanders who lurk around looking for stuff to complain about...

cocaine, in explicit section? It was a metaphor! omg... the winner this week used Abortion in their piece..metaphorically...isnt that worse? Alert the media! QUICK! that poem needs removed!

Let me get out of my sweet shiney zone ?

I won't be so silly as you've been so far and paste my comment over here, bother yourself and go read my explanation.

HOWEVER, let me tell you this:

NONE of YOUR business, I also loved a poem that talked about condom, and if it was nominatable I would have nominated it.

why and how I saw it worthy of going to the front page, is nothing I should explain for someone like yourself (:

go on, get a life.

Ahh...

I think this is a misunderstanding. . .

Let me read everything.

What misunderstanding ?

he think britts poem is weak, and because I nominated it, then I too have poor judgement Lol so he made a thread on the main boards to object about me :P and my judgement :)

I don't get what poor is???

Poor is the way this dude speaks to people.
Poor is the homeless guy on my street corner.
Poor are kids eating soup and crackers daily.

as far as poetry? Poetry comes from peoples souls, comments come from the heart...the use of "poor" should never describe the two...all poetry is beautiful, now if its not your PREFERENCE in poetry, that doesnt make it poor, it just makes it something youre not into, but others are....

You all are rich in writing, don't let people make you feel anything less.

David: What I think you need to stop and think about.. and this has been said many times.. There are a ton of poems on this site, and lots of different likes .. some only enjoy reading rhyme and some enjoy metaphoric poetry.. that is the beauty of this site.. so many different styles to read.. I'm eclectic in my tastes.. so I have a ball around here reading poetry!!!

Now... I feel its rude to question someones reason for nominating a poem.. ? No need for it... If you feel the need to pick a poem and highlight it then do so... if you have nominator status.. if not then please stop with your need to stir up conflict...

I'm so tired of people picking and poking on what another comments and why isnt this better and why isnt that done this way?? sighs...

Ss., I read that poem "condom" it was interesting. it has something to say. it is not just a general convey of feeling: you are my itch, you are my cocaine and boom it is a work of art.
and you are right it is not my business if you are not a judge but if you are, it is not anything but my business.
You have to be appreciative that someone care enough to go against the mundane current and burn himself to troubleshoot around here

Okay, what I understood was that He was concerned that the poem will go in the front page... because he thought that you were a judge and hence he thought that the poem will go straight to the winners.

So the way I understood was that that poem it's not right for the front page in the sense that it uses cocaine there. Concern about children and their interpretations.

Aside from the poor judgement, I have no say in that.

I like britt's poem... I find it addictive to read it and addictive also jumped to my mind due to the word Cocaine... but I also know cocaine has not a good effect on people so I find that poem to be slightly sad. It also left me wanting to read more...

that's why I did not nominated it. Otherwise, I would have

EDIT: so I find that poem to be slightly sad ( in the sense of content wise, not on how is written)

You have to be appreciative that some one care enough to go against the mundane cournat and burn himself to trouble shoot around here

^ What language is this?

Well good Im glad this discussion is over which it should have been 1st post ago, but since we have stated Nana is NOT a judge...no problems here yes?

If you don't even know the difference between a host and a judge, if you don't even know that I am the host, how come you feel like you can judge my abilities ? just for one poem..lol

I feel sorry for you.

Guys really?? You are being FAR to picky if this is was can not go to the front page ...

again, Twiggy's poem Leather won this week (which I freaking LOVEEEEEEE), and it talked of abortion, much more controversial than cocaine...and that was not brought up...BECAUSE IT SHOULDNT BE, this is poetry for heavens sake, things are metaphorically written! It does not mean literal cocaine, or literal abortion...shall we go over what a metaphor means again??

Bad for children ? do you really think that his post, was because he thought it's bad for children ...that's funny.

cocaine, means addictive, the person had THAT effect on her, it's a damn great metaphor to reflect his effect!
bleh this is boring, I'm out of here.

Ok, I have read with interest and TBH i wasn't going to say a word. but as I am on the outside looking in being a fairly newbie I feel I should add my ten pence worth.

At first read I thought David had brought up a concern and that you all jumped on him too quickly. He has an opinion and was entitled to air it. But reading again I think he knows he would have evoked a reaction, otherwise why not just PM Nana with your concern?

So you all played his little game.....

I actually feel for Nana in all this, she gives up her time to host the contest, she is obviously going to join in like a regular member and read and nominate. If she saw Britts poem as worthy to nominate then that is up to her.
Yet it seems like there is a queue to bash her every week.

Imagine how great the poetry on this site could be if we could inject this much emotion into our writing as we do our forum witch hunts.

Hey thanks for highlighting my poem, I got four comments on it in a matter of no time lol.

You mustn't pay much attention because Nana and I just duked it out in a winners thread. Surely she's not overly happy with me blasting her like I did, and she's not kissing up to win me over.. lol. So its not because were friends. We are, but we rarely talk. the last time we did, we argued lol.

What about all my other poems, nana hasn't nominated those in a while. this once did something to her. Why, I don't know because quite honestly the poem itself was a crappy piece to throw together to try and get over my writers block lol.

This is funny. LPs backing me up and commented on the poem, cmon guys. We all know LP and I have always gotten along and never ever ever argued. Lol

I don't mind playing his game if it means defending peoples write to express whatever they want..youre right he can express what he wants, but respectfully...the word "poor" had no respect in it and it was flat out rude..

LMAO Britt..I was cracking up reading peoples comments!!

I guess it's just a big "I don't get it".

Nana isn't a judge. Judges can nominate poems, that is allowed. Heck when I judged, I would nominate poems and then I wouldn't even vote for them lol