Remembering Sept. 11

In honor of all the lives lost on this day as well as the bravery of every fireman, policeman, and volunteer who tried to saves lives during the attack. We will always remember.

May there be peace in our country and around the world.

Its crazy to think about. Its been 12 years and still remember where I was. I was in class in 8th grade. So mind boggling still to this day.

We will always remember and never forget

Yes, we Brits remember it too.

A cowardly attack by those who don't want democracy in their countries or freedom, and rule by fear.

We remember our dead also in this barbaric deed, and stand shoulder to shoulder with all you Americans.

Peter..

I find myself spending a lot of this morning so far in prayer.

I was just waking up for school (west coast) and couldn't understand why my bus driver was beside herself. We spent the whole school day watching everything on the news, horror sticken and full of grief. I will never forget that moment.

I visited the twin towers March of 2001. Absolutely shocking to think 6 months later, they were gone.

It was a terrible attack indeed and I have never been to newyork myself but I bet it was like just WOW!. American's will always remember.

We share your grief, and we hope that someday the world knows peace.

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peace to all

still devastating after all this time.

Peace.

And happy 12th birthday to my young friend, Conner, born into a world that changed irrevocably between 8:46 and 9:03 am EDT.

Certainly a day that cannot be erased from the minds of those who witnessed it. Tragic, and too overwhelming to recall the sadness of the people all over that day.

A great nation and its people woke up from its slumber this day.

Original massage::
"I am thankful you guys. and happy for the others!!"

then when I found it was wrong thread I changed it to " :) :) " the sign I put when the massage is mistakenly placed:

then after the attacks I turned it to this::

What a tragic time were those days. I was in Tucson Arizona then and I notice how everything changed and new era has emerged.
Few days after I bought a car and the license I got was:: 911
and 12 years after, yesterday, I was flying in the anniversary of that tragic day

^And Larry, what does this symbol :) :) mean exactly in the context of this eulogy thread....as you know it all.

I interpret it as a smirkel, coming from a professed anti-American. I feel sorry for the Canadians for giving shelter.

And please add this to the list of Janis suggestions.
He should seriously consider adding emoticons to the list of "to do list", partiularly this one....

http://www.myemoticons.com/emoticons/communicate/insults/jackass-06013/

I would like to know why the smiley faces too ddavidd--To us Americans there is and will never be a reason to smile in any thread or discussion pertaining to the events of 911.

For this reason it has knocked you off of the poetic pedestal I had you placed on-although to you i'm sure it doesn't matter.

How dare you smile--and twice? OMG

I remember coming in from school and seeing it on the news. Seeing documentaries about it subsequently, it's hard to imagine how difficult it must have been for everybody involved. Hopefully such events will one day stay confined to history books

Calm down lovelost I posted in wrong thread I have to erase it I did not even check what the subject was.

and haha that you can't even imagine how far I dare but never against innocent and fair!
I am whole heatedly against terrorism and also appalled by dragging innocent people to the middle of wars no matter what cause!!

I don't buy it, just like the first time, when Larry tried to defend you. If you were believable, you would have really apologized to all Americans and innocent people affected worldwide, including the Canadians who died (24) in this cold blooded planned murder.

Sad.

Lostlove, thinking of it I realize how appropriate your name is: To translate smiling face to mocking or ridicule or disrespect! smiling face is an affirmative gesture you easily could think that it was a positive reaction to the posts before or if something was bothering you could have asked instead of turning it to a personal attack, mate. Also it was smiling face not ridiculing or sticking tongue emoticon. smiling in no way is offensive. In any faith, they teach you to smile no matter what. In the Buddhism smiling after the big atrocities is the sign of strength. Rumi says:
"smile and the world would smile back at you." maybe you have forgotten to smile maybe those who initiated the attack they forgotten to smile also and held to their grudge so long therefore they did what they did. So for these reason alone I think you have chosen such an appropriate name for yourself and therefor I congratulate you.
But in all fairness I understand you were provoked by als to feel that way.

Go on!
Philosophy is no barter for a simple apology.

And you the Loneliest soul!! you in all this are looking to redeem yourself, looking for an opportunity to get back at me. This is the democracy that you are proud of, the source of all terrorism!
but if you want to turn this page to revenge and personal attack, I put you on my ignore, because I know the where about of the burn you're experiencing and wish not to disturb this thread any farther!

Please, guys... not here. :(

Britt, don't worry. The symbols were purposely placed to insult, and taunt. He got away without an apology to amreen the first time.
What he did was an insult to a great nation, the entire world and its People, and does deserve a response. I am no bickering child, nor specialize in tit for tat, so just watch and enjoy.

Mr. ddavidd, if you feel like keep going, do so. So far you have decided to attack mine and Lostlove1's screen names, other than smirk at the thread. What else you got?. Keep pouring your emotions out. I am enjoying listening to them. And don't worry, I am not insulted yet, nor will I ask the thread to be closed. Also, don't delude yourself that this response was because you "vanquished" your opponent somewhere else. If anyone was, it was your ego and image. :)
So keep it coming. You do live in a country where you can enjoy the freedom of speech, don't you?
What else you got? Don't be shy, vomit it out.

The sadness of this thread became sadder when I accidentally read bickering over the usage of an emoticon. Really? I must say, it's unnecessary from all parties involved to be fighting about something as minuscule as :), especially in light of the topic. I didn't see David's post, so maybe the exact meaning of it is lost on me, but please withhold your explanations. I don't care.

9/11 should be honored better than it is. It should remind us to love each other, to reflect on what loss and anguish is, and like it did a decade ago, it should strengthen our mission for peace and unite our feelings against a common enemy. Not a people, but hate.

I'm sorry if anyone lost someone to the attacks that day. Much love to everyone.

Silvershoe I expected much better from you. You are breaking my heart. I had to make it clear in the onslaught of such malevolence. What else would you do if you were in my torn shoes, my dear silvershoes!!

from all the people you should know better:: IF I EVER CHEER FOR THE DEATH OF 3000 OF INNOCENT PEOPLE I WOULD THROW MYSELF FROM THE CALIF. THE CRUELTY IS WHAT I WOULD NEVER STAND, THAT I WOULD LOSE MY LIFE AGAINST, THAT ALL MY POETRY IS ABOUT. THERe WOULD BE NOTHING I WOULD LOOK FORWARD IF I EVER SUCCUMB TO ,
unfortunately this is another plot of wickedness to extinguish the lantern of real meaning in this site.

RM: No one is "plotting" against you, that are your self-created myth. You seem to have a lot of insecurities.
You really need to be able to distinguish between what you wish to say, and what you end up doing by mistake...if that is what happened here or elsewhere. If unintentional, promptly own up any mistakes, apologize to the people offended, the American way, and you would be just fine. Covering up by saying "it was for another thread", and then changing what you initially wrote with a turn around statement? Is that not visible to the readers you think? Are we that stupid? Or trying to brow beat the others with derogatory statements, or personal insults, does it define an intelligent or well read person.
Your poetry is good, your philosophy is "show off" and your mannerisms are un-American. If you have lived in this country and Canada long enough, you should know better that people here respect humility, honesty, sincerity and hard work, and appreciate people who are forthright and Patriotic. Free speech is guaranteed by the constitution, but that does not give right to anyone to use abusive language at other people and the country, at will.
So, get your act together, and we will have no issue in the future.

Dear Jane:

As usual, I have great respect for your views on PnQ threads and your poetry. You are in general very fair when intervening to settle disputes. You also make people see better reason without offending them, so they do not act up this way again...a rare skill, and an area that rarely see other mods plunge in. So, perhaps for some members you may be the most admired as a mod (I hope equally well at home and school/work) for your people skills. (Having said that, I bet you would have a hard time as a jury or a judge to put someone behind bars or agree with the death penalty as you seem to empathize even with "wrongs" and "wrongdoers" too often...do not take it personally, you are just not cut out to be a Lawman or a Jurist.)

Here is why I felt that this statement by you coming in at a very late time is unacceptable:
"I accidentally read bickering over the usage of an emoticon. Really? "

This was a eulogy thread (like the Boston thread, one for remembrance of friends, family and fellow Americans and citizens of all countries who lost someone this day) and one filled with deep emotions. Like Lostlove1, I also lived in NY and lost a very close friend like a brother) in that incident.

Now I suddenly see this " :) :) "

right after my post with no words sympathetic or otherwise written before or after the emoticons. Would you really interpret it as a "smile" or a "sneer" ?? Would you be pleased or horrified as an American who lived in NY once, with the intended meaning of the emoticons without the words to explain what was in the author's mind? particularly coming from someone who has shown his anti-American stance in a previous thread, loud and clear...Jane, have you read that thread at all? You are now a psychology graduate, shouldn't you be able to read people's writings or intentions better than many of us?
I was personally horrified to see it, and surprised that NOT ONE American came forward to qn it, until Lost love1 challenged him. No one ever questioned him on his use of these "simple" smiley emoticons. Then there was a weak attempt at cover-up...and counter aggressive and personally defamatory statements.

No, it was not simple "bickering". It was demeaning to me and my deceased friend and every person who lost his life in that tragedy 12 years ago.

I do not really need a response. I know you are one of the most rational and admired people around here and have better judgment, so I have no shoulders to rub here.

Edited. I take that back.

Check your shoulder chips at the door, please.

I know there's no love lost between ALS & ddavidd, but let it go.

If no one has ever made a mistake, never posted anything in the wrong thread, never failed to read the subject and never once had a brain-miscue, it would be different.

A little compassion for fellow PnQers is appropriate.

ALS and David, it seems both of you think I was being unfair, and in that, I was probably being fair.

Thank you for the kind words regarding the way I handle situations on PnQ, ALS, but I am only unbiased in reprimanding others because I am detached. It's easy to be detached when you are not as involved as other moderators are (and thank god for them, otherwise this site would be a mess). From my time studying psychology, I would not say I am any better at knowing when someone is right and when someone is wrong. Psychology isn't about black&whites; it's about grays. In group settings, it's about compromise.

Anyway, I don't feel fit to decide whether David's emoticons were a mistake or not, though my gut tells me they were because when David has an opinion on something, he does not change it to appease others, no matter how offensive. In this case, he immediately claimed the emoticons were a mistake. That would be uncharacteristic of him if they weren't actually a mistake.

I understand some of you are inclined to call him a liar, most likely because 9/11 is close to home and you feel protective of its seriousness, but please keep your hurt and anger pointed at the right target... and here's a hint: It's not David.

That's all I'll say on the matter. I have nothing but good will toward all of you.

Jane: Thank you for a nice piece of diplomatic penmanship, on your explanation on RM's behavior, though I do not fully buy in to it. He writes intelligent poetry. Sometimes makes irrational and insulting comments, but what the heck, all that can be straightened out with a PnQ discussion forum like this. No permanent grudges, that is not my nature. Just move on and hope for the best. LP did the same, but all that is now buried in the past. Neither ever asked for forgiveness from people that they offended, but I am hopeful some day the realization will prevail.

But, hey has anyone thought of sending you, Sibs and Larry to Syria yet? as ambassadors of diplomacy ? Maybe Ms. Noura's "admired" President can be pursuaded to give up his chemical (and conventional) weapons and learns how to be diplomatic from you guys.
Do you want me to send a letter out to our President? :)

Silvershoe in this stage I do not care what people think, this guy was there to get me and found an opportunity and he is not going to let it go that is fine. Those who know me they do know that I would never lie. I do not need to. I do not back up from my position if I put those emoticons on purpose I would fight with all of you over it. I did it before, there is no fear over here!! .

"There is no love lost... "
I had no problem with this guy Larry. Yes I had an argument with him about a very controversial subject and I revealed how pretentious is his knowledge regarding the subject he claims to know, including using big world without regarding to their real meaning: such as Oedipus complex or medieval philosophy. ( now he is going to surf internet and come with an answer) he feels that I insulted him and with his obsessive compulsive personality he is after me to get me some how like thirsty fangs in the darkness.
about the Anti American this is absolutely bogus!! I was having the same argument with a harder right wings like dan , we really went after each other then we shook hand and complimented each others' strength and went on our ways, but not this guy. He is not even real American. He wants revenge. And that goes with his obsessive compulsive personality.
You do not love America mate, love could not be obsessive, that is lust and lost!!

I just want you to know that you have gone beyond the limits of being rude and decenc t discussion on this thread, one opened by Poet on the Piano as a remembrance to victims of 911.

No, I do not have OCD, but you may wish to check in with your shrink as to what is causing you to obnoxious to members who disagree with you and your ideology.

I am sorry you have to malign this entire thread with your personal vomitus against me. So, go on with the thread you opened today and feel free to continue. I will not participate but let the other members answer you if they choose, or you can simply continue your rant. Perhaps the mod, who was trying to protect you all along will know what I do already sense is going on here, if she really earned her degree.... :)

And yes, I do know about the Edepus complex, and this is the second or third time you have gone back to this one, despite my clarification as to its initial use in the appropriate thread. Perhaps, you would never guess what I really know and what is from the Internet. So please continue elsewhere..

This is what ridicule sound like: Haahaa.
I do not want to quiz you because you are full of excuses, but I excuse myself for lowering my standard to yours. You started the personal attacks and your blow were even low for your standards.( or maybe not) You proved to me that you are a PREDATOR and I am going to treat you as such. do not try to hide behind lostlov1 and Larry, you the LONELY SOUL ! it is me and you, be a man.

Last warning - STOP IT!

Next of you that posts gets your messages erased.

And that includes any "he started it" replies.

Yes Larry I comply and apologize specially to "poet on the piano"

"Last warning - STOP IT!

Next of you that posts gets your messages erased.

And that includes any "he started it" replies."

You heard the man! In adherence to Larry's last warning, I will be deleting posts relating to this argument, unless you are apologizing to the OP. Thank you.
As always, feel free to continue via PM.