Double standard

From Wikipedia :double standards : A double standard is the application of different sets of principles for similar situations:

http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/07/25/cnn-us-never-apologized-or-admitted-shooting-down-iran-air-plane-in-1988/

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Double standard...
That indeed, is all about it :)
Thank you, David.

Yes, now they are all the sudden so offended, so hurt by pro Russian militant that supposedly hit the passenger air plain. They are crying out that how inhuman and vicious it is. All forgetting that few years back it was them who shot down one, and arrogantly never even apologize for it. Not even that, they praised the captain who was responsible for the death of 290 civilian passengers.
This is the American "double standard" that slips by the mass spectators. The hypocrisy that would never get noticed by the mass mediocre. That never hits the average Joe! Though, I am pretty sure if even it hits them, they wouldn't bother to care.

I have a feeling some parts of the world are opening their eyes

I hope so!!

Well, it's about time!!

I don't think there is a government in the world that hasn't been guilty of double standards

I think America is responsible for every known problem in the world. You know when there's a power outage anywhere in North Korea it's America's fault... According to the North Korean government !!!

Vladimir Putin is a saint...

I was reading a poem that seemed like a menage a trio (pardon my French) and out of nowhere the elephant dies

The same poet wrote a poem "Things are not always what they seem" about Adderall
I think your post are very interesting but another idiom that comes to mind is "the elephant in the room"&

Blind men and an elephant

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The story of the blind men and an elephant originated in the Indian subcontinent from where it has widely diffused. It has been used to illustrate a range of truths and fallacies; broadly, the parable implies that one's subjective experience can be true, but that such experience is inherently limited by its failure to account for other truths or a totality of truth. At various times the parable has provided insight into the relativism, opaqueness or inexpressible nature of truth, the behavior of experts in fields where there is a deficit or inaccessibility of information, the need for communication, and respect for different perspectives

I"m not sure everyone can relate the Bob Dylan's "With God On Our Side"

http://youtu.be/6tyIjfE-tIk

I thought Rumi was the sorce of that story.
I like that song.

I do not think you know what you are talking about Nicko. You are objecting to my criticizing America using double standard, based on a nonsensical, unspecific, excuse that all the governments are double standard so then US. is exonerated?? Implying that it is okay to kill 290 passengers and give medallion to the guy who did such an act?? Not even that, we are making it out of proportion even to dare to point finger and should be laughed at, because we are excusing Putin and saying that he is a saint; why? because we say America who so arrogantly even did not apologize for such an act, has the audacity to call the same act, acting against humanity??
When did we say that Putin is right, or what he has done is justifiable except in your imagination? (If , even he was responsible because yet not proven, and at least he condemns such an act unlike US.)
You sound like a fanatic who only cheers for his own team regardless of any objective that would deny her validation.
And North Korea blames their black out on US, and we, the firing at passenger airline and killing 290 people?? Really really are you serious? Is THIS your statement? The last question, what happened to you mate??

I'm sure Nicko will answer you himself but...I'd just like to say that I think you are taking his comment out of context as you do with me a lot of the time. We (Australians) tend to talk in a sarcastic manner and say the opposite of what we are actually thinking..ie.."Putin is a saint"...knowing that we will be understood by our fellow Australians...confusing I know to the rest of the world but...I'm pretty sure that's what Nicko was meaning in his comment.

Haha who is being diplomatic now??

Nah mate....no diplomacy here...I'm just trying to explain how things are in Oz....remember I'm an immigrant so I also found this very confusing in the beginning :)

Where would you have called home before moving to OZ ?

I've been thinking about the apology the pope made that the previous popes condemned communism before they ever attacked verbally the Nazi's and a monk whose father was a painter in new Zealand last speech on social structures

http://youtu.be/2WXo4ktQrg8

I was born and raised in Scotland Michael...you can see my beautiful home city of Glasgow if you tune into the commonwealth games :)

I tried to watch your link but it has no sound and also it's by someone called Thomas Merton so I'm not sure what it has to do with the pope or a monk with a father who was a New Zealand painter???

Anyway, regarding the OP's statement about America's double standards..maybe they just remembered that USSR tried the same stunt when a Korean Airlines plane was shot down some years ago?

I should have remembered Scotland

I tried to watch your link but it has no sound and also it's by someone called Thomas Merton so I'm not sure what it has to do with the pope or a monk with a father who was a New Zealand painter???

Thomas Merton's father was a painter in New Zealand and his last speech( that you could not get sound on) was focused on comparing communism to the monastic life he chose at an Abby in the heart of Kentucky near where my folks called home . You still may have not grasped how apropos it is to the topic at hand :)

Well...I googled him and realised you have mentioned him before but...I can't connect him with the topic of this thread I'm afraid so...can you explain the significance?

Merton was a multicultural monk who was very interested in communism On December 10, 1968, Thomas Merton stepped out of the shower in his Bangkok hotel room, reached to adjust the speed of a fan, and was fatally electrocuted.

In many ways, Merton foresaw his own death. And though he could never have imagined it exactly, it was filled with the kind of intent irony and poetry that his life as a contemplative monk/author/peace activist embodied.

I am not trying to be rude but bringing up Merton was an aspie thing not realizing that our worlds are very far apart

Merton was considered on the top ten of catholic spiritual writers and I believe most of the other best known were converts also

I don't know where to begin again, not trying to be rude, and I am sure you are not either

Read more: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/goodletters/2012/12/thomas-merton-contemplative-outlaw/#ixzz38eUIu3Vl

I'm really sorry if I sound very dumb here but...I still don't get the connection your making?

You tube is a site with many glitches I know to get sound many times you have to click on the speaker . If you want me to transcribe Merton's last lecture it will take much time and like I said we live in different worlds so you still may find it too profound (PROFOUND FROM THE NON NEUROTYPICAL ) lol point of view, so lets not discuss it in this thread . I will be happy to talk about Merton in the My mentor thread lol

I will expect the end of the world to not be far off if Vladimir Putin is canonized in my lifetime LMAO

MY God " Thomas Merton!!" I preach exactly the same thing. I was having the same discussion with my friend the other time and when I said about communism is exactly the idea of the state of (true) Zion and why exactly the communism went wrong, they were laughing at me that that simile is totally a figment of my imagination.

It makes me happy to know that I am not alone.

I am in the point 0
where there is no idol of beliefs and ideology, no religion, no nation, no race, no teams, only sound, only THE word, THE song. Where nobody shatters the sound of the truth. An absolute clarity of vision, where the distance disappears. When if a blossom opens in other side of the word you witness, when you share the suffer that impregnate a shell with a pearl in the other side of the oceans.

Beautifully written

Awe...I'll leave you guys to be all cosy together and....loved up on this guy who...in my opinion, is no different from your average Joe...he tried a lot of different stuff before he found his calling...yeah..pretty average I reckon :)

Thanks

Why so angry Hellon. Are you trying to insult ??

Edit
everybody finds his/her path-calling one day and then everything changes.
when the river gets to the sea is free.

only losers sit by the ocean ans say to the river at the point of joint. hahaha you used to be lost; you zigzag a lot before getting here.

See...now here's a prime example of you taking things the wrong way....and making a mountain out of a mole hill....think Australian man!!!

Only losers sit by the ocean ans say to the river at the point of joint. hahaha you us to be lost you zigzag a lot before getting here.

^^^

and yet...the looser will still have the opportunity to observe that...only dead fish go with the flow...

You mean rugged like crocodile dundee

Ddavidd ddavidd ddavidd Mate ! You didn't see the forest for the trees...

Hellon thankfully saw it.....

Birds of a feather flock together
:)

It's really nothing like that at all Nana...it's just the way we speak and...I have a double whammy to deal with...being Scottish well...our sarcastic humour is even sharper I think...Nicko???

Ya I understood that earlier :]

anyway, stay safe ^_^

That is fine Hellon and Nicko this is your way of expressing yourselves and I accept provided by that you accept my way also. I mean no harm. I am a passionate person and I express myself passionately. People often mistake my passion with anger or rage. I am neither of those (most of the times) Amongst you Abby knows my intonation better, not perfect but much better.
In the middle of the worst arguments often I turn and start to say a jock and that sometimes enrages my older sister. I switch so fast even don Juan himself couldn't catch up.

Awe...ddavidd...how can I not make allowances for you when you say jock instead of joke...jock being the general term for a Scottish person so...in my book you're a winner ....LOL!

Indeed Hellon sharp as a tack.... But I'm a kiwi so very similar to Aussie humour and I've lived here a long time

ddavidd yes we go way back to the dark days, nothing you say really bothers me as we are normally sitting on the same branch...

Cheerz all

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Gaza's message to Israel, the more you kill and destroy us, the stronger we become

AFTER more than two weeks of relentless violence that has cost more than 600 Palestinian lives and thousands of wounded, it is becoming increasingly clear that Israel's savage assault on the Gaza Strip has not been successful even on its own terms. Day after day the rockets keep coming out of Gaza, and civilian air liners are now refusing to land at Tel Aviv.
Tens of thousands of Gazans have been driven from their homes. Yet there is no sign of any popular rebellion against Hamas or the other armed organizations. Nor does there appear to have been any pressure on Hamas to accept the fraudulent ceasefire that Blair, Sisi and Kerry attempted to impose last week, which would have left Gaza still under the same economic siege that has been in place ever since its population made the mistake in 2006 of voting for a government that Israel and the West didn't approve of.
On the contrary, Israel's vicious assault appears to have hardened the determination of Gazans to resist. On Sunday Israel killed more than one hundred Palestinians, most of whom died in the horrendous fighting in Shuj' aia district, but that day it also lost 14 soldiers, Israel's bloodiest day since the 2006 war in Lebanon.
No one who has ever been to Gaza will be surprised by this. Gazans have been resisting Israel for a long time. In the 1980s I worked there for two summers as a volunteer English teacher. I saw the large pool of sewage at Jabalya refugee camp, where most of the male population was rounded up by the victorious Israeli army in 1967 and forced to sit up to their waists and necks for hours in a sign of subjugation before their conquerors. I saw the wide avenues in the refugee camps known as 'Sharon's boulevards', where Ariel Sharon bulldozed some 16,000 houses in 1970 during counterinsurgency operations against the post-occupation resistance.
I met Palestinian men and women who had spent years in Israeli jails for nationalist activity, including a former fedayaat who described a strike at the womens' prison where the IDF poured tear gas into their cells, Most of these activists belonged to Fatah or leftist Palestinian groups. Hamas didn't exist then, and the only Islamist organization in Gaza was the Muslim Brotherhood, which was operating with the de facto protection of the Israeli army, in an attempt to foster divisions amongs the Palestinian nationalist movement.
These efforts eventually backfired during the first Intifada, when the Muslim Brotherhood organization in Gaza and the West Bank produced Hamas. Given this history, it is entirely natural that Gazans should have refused to give in to the vicious eight year siege imposed by Israel with the utterly cynical support of the 'international community' and the 'Quartet' and its malevolent peace envoy - a siege that was intended to force the population to reject Hamas.
And whatever criticisms Gazans may have of Hamas, it is difficult to imagine that Israeli bombs are going to make them reject it now. Israel, of course, has its own explanations for this defiance. Back in the 80s Gaza was often portrayed in Israel as a savage and barbaric place, where you were likely to get your throat cut if you went anywhere near it. Today Gaza is often described as an irrational or even mad place, whose population is fatally trapped in a culture of martyrdom and hatred, or languishing under the dictatorship of Hamas 'terrorists'.
In an interview with CNN on Sunday the despicable Benjamin Netanyahu once again accused Hamas of deliberately using 'human shields' because 'They want to pile up as many civilian dead as they can. They use telegenically dead Palestinians for their cause. They want the more dead, the better.' In another interview with the BBC's Arabic Department the same day, Netanyahu declared: 'Israel regrets every injury to civilians. I call on the residents of Gaza, don't stay there, Hamas wants you to die, we want you to be safe.'
Netanyahu is lying and the people of Gaza know he is lying. They know they are being killed and terrorized because Israel wants to kill and terrorize them. They know that Israel's strategy in this war, as in so many others, is based on inflicting suffering on the civilian population in order to turn it against Israel's armed opponents. This strategy failed in Lebanon in 2006 and it will fail in Gaza. Because it is becoming increasingly clear that Gazans will not go back to the siege and the pre-war status quo, and that they will endure almost anything to avoid this. They are fighting and dying because they want to breathe and become part of the world again. As Sarah Ali, a Palestinian woman from Jabalya refugee camp, wrote last week:
' This is not about destroying Hamas; this is about destroying every Palestinian in Gaza, destroying our lives, crushing our dignity and morale. Let it be known to (Israel) that the more they kill and destroy, the stronger we become. We have nothing left to lose. Now I would rather die with my family under the rubble of our house than have a humiliating truce. No justice, no peace.'
Despite the enormous odds against them, the Gazans are winning this war. Of course they can't win it militarily; no one doubts that Israel has the ability to obliterate the Gaza Strip with its British and US-funded weaponry. But wars are not only decided by military hardware or even by battles, but by long-term shifts in attitudes, political positions and sympathies. And on this front, Israel is clearly losing. Even journalists who have gone to Gaza primed with narratives of 'balance' have been shocked and reduced to tears at the sight of children blown to pieces by Israeli missiles. Pro-Palestinian demonstrations and individual gestures across the world are a testament to the international popular sympathy for the Gazans, which is radically at odds with the cynical posturing and handwringing connivance of their governments with Israel's war aims.
Every day the world's television screens are filled with Israeli spokesmen ranting, bullying, and lying, or even attacking news presenters, and it is becoming increasingly clear that even mainstream journalists no longer believe them. Even the hapless Ban Ki-moon - the UN chief who has hardly said a word that the western powers on the Security Council didn't like - has condemned Israeli actions. It takes a lot to make Madeleine' the price was worth it Albright worry that Israel might be 'overdoing it' in Gaza and losing its 'moral authority'.
Israel and its supporters will naturally try to attribute these developments to antisemitism or some sinister alliance between the left and 'Islamism', rather than the arrogance, stupidity and brutality of Israel's leaders. But that explanation no longer has the clout that it once did. Because it isn't only that the world sees Gazans as victims. The world also sees them as resisters. It sees the courage, resilience and heroism of a population that has refused to give into Israel and its high and mighty supporters. It sees the Palestinians as David, battling an Israeli Goliath that appears to be nothing but a cruel and sadistic bully, addicted to violence and unwilling to even consider a just peace.
States that behave like that eventually become pariahs, now matter how militarily powerful they may be, and no matter how many lies they tell. They can get away with a lot of things only as long as they can count on the support of the powerful. But sooner or later there will come a point when even the governments that have given Israel carte blanche for so long will conclude that it is not in their interests to do so any longer. When that happens Israel will have to change or it will not survive.
That day may not be far off. And when or if it comes, both the horrors that Netanyahu has unleashed on Gaza and the astonishing refusal of the Gazan population to be cowed by them will have done a great deal to bring it about.

By Matt Carr

Http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/07/25/putin_daughter_netherlands_resident.html