Opinion on Gay marriage

Hey I just wanted to know what most of you think about gay marriage or of just gay's or bi's or lesbians or transgenders in general.
(just for the record-Im bi.)

I think that gay marriage should be legal. If someone wants to get married that should be their choice, no matter what. As long as they aren't physically hurting anyone.

I agree. I think the choice should be left up to the people, not the government.

I will have to agree to gay marriage too. My mother has been with a women since she divorced my father in 1982. They are still together. Which is longer then my father and mothers marriage. I don't care if I she is gay. She is happy and thats all that matters. If it was legal...I would be there standing up for her. I have alot of gay friends as well.

~Elena~

--IT'S ABOUT LOVE NOT GENDER--

I feel that we the ppl should decide if gays should marry not the goverment for I am all for it I am bi and I have lots of gay friends and they want to marry and cant well lets stand up ppl and let our voices be heard.

I'm friends with 3 (possibly 4) lesbians. And I'm bi-curious. I'm all for gay marriage. The reason that people are saying that gays can't be married, is because it says that marriage should be between a man and woman in the bible.

While I do believe in the bible, I also believe in the separation of church and state. That separation was made for a reason; so issues like THIS would never have to occur. The government has NO RIGHT to outlaw gay marriage based on religious beliefs!

If all laws were made based on religious beliefs, then America wouldn't be the way it is today! There would be almost NO diversity in this country, and America wouldn't be nearly as great of a country as it is right now. It's America's diverse culture that appeals to so many people.

Gays/Lesbians are a part of America's culture, and therefore should be given the same rights as everyone else in America's culture. Which means, s/he should be able to fall in love with another indivudual with hopes of one day getting married.

~Sydney~

im completely for it. the government has way to much power and they make us (im bi as well) out to look like sum kind of monster! if two people love eachother why cant they marry cuz obviously they let people who dont love each other marry. (sorry im kind of bitter about divorce since my parents got theirs.)i mean people freaked otu when they found out, my own boyfriend was scared of me for like a week. its getting to be like if you arent totally straight, youre a freak?!
*jess- aka that_freaky_chic*

I would have to say against it. No because i hate guys or im homophobic or anything stupid like that. If they want to be together fine, but marriage.
MArriage has always been between a man and a women, and to change that sacred bond to man and a man. Then i think that is wrong and simply absurd. By letting gays have there way you'll be taking away from the others. SO the only fair and just way to settle it is. For gays to form there own relgion and there own marriage sytem that will tolerate it.

good answer cry baby i agree with you 100%

Gays and lesbians should the rights to misery and oppression as the rest of us.

I just find it icky for evident reasons.

God bless,
-Elysium.

About everyone in my family disagrees with the fact that I think it should be legal. Marriage is the union of two people in true love. If you're true love is the same sex, then who cares? A stupid law with people thinking other's beliefs are wrong is holding so many people back.

I mean, I'm straight, but still, it's a sexual preference. Just because men like men and women like women doesn't make it wrong.

I think marriage should apply to absolutely any couple, minus to non-living objects. Marriage is a union of two people, and how dare someone specify the gender of those two people.

gay marriage should be allowed religion should have no power over marriages other than those in the church, thats why you can be married by a judge OR a priest

I'm for it!
I hate the way everyone hides behind the bible. FYI~The bible says alot of stuff that isn't being carried out, why stand so hard on one belief?

I just find it icky for evident reasons.

God bless,
-Elysium.
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That has to be the most absurd response to an intellectual debate I've ever had the pleasure of reading!
Even if gay marriage isn't allowed it doesn't mean that it's gonna abolish homosexuals and lesbians.
And it's not like they are asking you to watch them consumate the marriage...Jeez!

Personally I find seeing anyone making out in public gross... no matter the sexual prefrence.

Let them live! that is all I have to say. Screw the bible bull shit. Didn't Jesus believe and preach about love and peace? Did he not believe in love one another? I'm sorry if I'm coming off rather harsh, but my two uncles have been harassed forever concerning their sexual orientation and to see what they had to go through makes me a stronger advocate for same sex marriage, which is finally legal in Canada! Same sex relations existed long before marriage became a sacrement. And homosexuals have the same rights as any other person, and that includes marriage.

Your right about that homosexuality has been around along time. In fact it used to be considerd more honorable to be with a man than a women, but that fact does't change anything. Like it or not homosexuality is a sin, and becuase it is christians cannot be leniant on the subject. If you can remember back being gay used to be considered immorale, but now-a-days we as Americans have become so desensitized that we see it as ok to be gay. That your sexual orientation does not matter. If that is the case then were not to far from seeing men run around with little boys. We used to feel the same about homosexuality and look at us now.

As i was saying marriage is supoose to be a holy matrimony between a man and a women. Marriage is based on religious institutions. The churches principle denies gay marriage as a holy bond. So why try and force your will and veiws on the church. Create you own marital system built on man's principals not God's. God would never allow gay marriage so to make claims that he does is absurd. This is the only way to satisfy both parties. It will keep religious rights intact, and allow gay marriage outside of the church. A marriage sytem made by and for homosexuals.

You have to look at the issue without choosing sides it will just turn into a debate. If the church has to accept gay marriage then your taking away there rights. THAT'S NOT JUSTICE!!!! How can you take away a group of people rights and give them to another. What kind of justice is that?

Sydney, you couldnt' have said it any better!!

Government is supposed to be seperate from church. People who don't want to be married can get married at a court house! Which isn't in a church, which doesn't bring any religious values into the marriage. It's just a legal process. I can understand why some people wouldn't want a man to marry a man or a women to marry a women in church. But it still shouldn't be illegal. Just have the church say no, becuase of reasons that have to do with the bible. Their shouldn't be laws telling people they can't get married based on their sexuality. That is just wrong. If you ask me anyways.

Sydney couldn't have said it better.

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I stand firmly on the fact that Gay marriage should never be allowed in the Church. However, if Homosexuals were to make an alternative means that has nothing to do with the church and there principals then the law has no right to OUtlaw this new form of matrimony. Another thing the reason goverment has it outlaw is they can't give homosexuals what they want. By giving homosexuals the right to marry. Your taking away from the churches right of there beliefs Goverment cannot and will not take away from one party and give to another. We are a land of Justice that's not justice. THats just giving the cry baby what they want.

In conclusion my solution is the only way that the Government will allow gays to marry on there own principals not the churches. Gays get what they want, and churches go on beliefing what they Belief. That is fair.

"We're talking about marriage. Not making out in public."

Yeah I know what we're talking about, I'm not stupid. I just thought I'd add a different opinion, which people Can do.

I know you didn't. I never said you did either. I do know they are two different things, and I did give my opinion on marriage. Someone said something about it being gross for obvious reasons. So I figured I'd point out what I did. So I don't have to make a new thread.

Well okay then

Like i stated earlier the only solution is for Homosexuals to make there own marital system based on its own principals. The law cannot stop that for it doesn't conflict with the churches rights.

There put on the same page because there both outside of the normal sexual orietations. We used to see homosexuality as wrong perverted immoral and disgusting. Thats how we see pedafiles. Most pedafiles have morals and values. They love kids they dont hurt them. They treat them just as we do, but there sexual instincts drive them to have sex with little boys or girls. As in all sexual orientations you have those that just want to hurt rape or abduct. Anyways we use to see gays as the same way we see pedafiles. It's only fair that Pedafiles get there chance at happiness. Wich i think thats a major reason why the government won't allow gay marriage cause they see long termm. Your right society is flawed if it wern't then gays wouldn't exist.

WEre not forcing our beliefs on you were not saying you can't be together you just can't get married. Its not about forcing anything on anyone.

to glass wall prision:

What a weasley and pathetic excuse. Homosexuality and paedofilia should never be included in the same sentence. It's ignorant to think that because guys could marry guys and women could marry women that Men could marry children. It's UTTER crap. It's like saying that next up humans could marry animals.

Marriage is about the legal joining of consenting ADULTS who are able to make their own decisions. Paedophiles may indeed want legal rights to have sex with kids, but if they married them (in keeping with the origonal question) then that kid will grow up into an ADULT hence negating all need for marriage in the first place.

It's a pointless argument made out of ignorance and fear of what you cannot tolerate in the church. Religion is supposed to be about tolerance and love of life. Start f*cking tolerating.

I would have to say that by letting gay people get married doesn't take anything away from anybody. If that is what they want tehn so be it. There is no difference between a catholic man and woman getting married from a catholic woman and woman couple getting married, they still have religion as there belief and it doesn't harm anyone else's belief. We all have our own opinions of how we think life should be or who should do what, so by saying gays can get married has nothing to do with affecting anybody else except the two people getting married at that particular moment whether they are the same sex or not. There is not one person in this world that can say that a man and man can't love each other the same as a female and man or a female and female, what matters is if you truely love that person then nobody should be able to tell you that you can't be with them or marry them, who gives them that right? If you are not God, then you have no right to actually judge and say no...you can just give your opinion and not be happy with it is all. Life is usually to short to stress over things that don't need to be stressed on. You really want to stress about something or disagree about something...then argue about all the women and children being killed for no reason, not because of war but for no reason....that is different. You can't tell me a 2 month old baby deserved to die by a bomb because of what??? Something to think about ;)

bret
thank you! i havent been able to get online for awhile so most of these comments are new to me and i was hoping SOMEONE would call glass wall prison out!

and as for you glass wall prison
open yur eyes, do you go to church? eeryone has there own secrets and ill bet atleast one person in your church is gay, bi, lesbian , knows some one who is, or has experimented with it! and closed minded, ignorant people like you are the kind of people making our counrty out to look like crap cuz ya all think your better than us! get over yourself and face up to the facts!!

Thank you Bret!!! I read this thread for the first time right now and was getting so pissed of with glass wall prison because even though I am straight I respect everyone and believe that all people should be equal--Everyone should be able to marry if that is what they want--

On another note, if marriage is a holy ritual why is it perfectly fine to be married by a notary?

Why is there argument about religous marriage when that is not what this is about. Ok, some denominations are changing their views about homosexuality in Christianity and one or two have even pushed for gay marriage within the church system to be allowed. The crux of the matter is a civil union, not christian, jewish, hindu or islamic ceremony.

Personally I believe that if homosexuality is against a faith system then a religious ceremony in that denomination is pointless, but a civil ceremony, legally binding in all ways should be embraced.

A question to finish.

I was married by a notary (very nice lady) on a beach without any mention of religion, but only of faith. Is my marriage any less real or worthy than one conducted in a church/synagogue/mosque by a holy man/woman?

well let me say I do go to church and I do believe in God and the Bible and I am Bi and I do love a woman but it is not wrong to love God said go love one another as for gays getting married well I am all for it I am married to a great man an I am happy but I see no reason y gays can not marry if they ARE IN LOVE so that is just how i feel.

I think that you should do whatever makes you happy. So I'm for it.

Look. Remember in the past when we had equality issues between color? I see this as exactly the same way. Being Black, they were born with a different skin color, and being White, they were born also with a different skin color. But should that make a difference in their equality issues? No.

So, just because Gays/Lesbians/and Bi's were born with a different mindset in choosing their partners, should they not have the same equality as us other Americans? No. They are AMERICAN CITIZENS, and by they have the same RIGHTS as everyone else.

I don't know how much clearer it can get. This is just another act of Government and Religion mixing...

"This is just another act of Government and Religion mixing..."

I completely agree with that statement.

Psh, this is just the BEGINNING to Government and Religion mixing... and it really pisses me off.

I think if you do not like gay marriage then don't get married to someone of the same gender

exactly! actually couldnt that be considered oppression?

Well seeing how this is a debate with no end. I have another solution. If you don't like it go to Canada, New Zealand, or another place that except gay marriage. You want to be happy well go be happy. If you dont want to leave then go get married in Canada. Come back and presto. It's illegal for gays to marry. However its not illegal for them to be married.

The fact doesn't change that the Governemnt won't change it's mind about it.

I hate to admit it, but theres alot of churches who dont even let gays into there church however. We have a gay couple in our church we except them. In fact it was my pastor that invited them. They were new in the area or something like that. Anyways, they day they don't need to be marry there dedication to each other is enough.

Say the Goverment allows Gay marriage. The gay population has already sky rocketed these last few years. Were going to be a nation of Gays. Were going to be the laughing stock of the world. Then were going to get walked on and we wont be able to do anything about it because no onewill know how to fire a gun.....lol

i do apologize for that comment it was rather crude and narrow minded....however it's not far from the truth.

Brett higgins:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What a weasley and pathetic excuse. Homosexuality and paedofilia should never be included in the same sentence. It's ignorant to think that because guys could marry guys and women could marry women that Men could marry children. It's UTTER crap. It's like saying that next up humans could marry animals.
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Its funny...that use to be our outlook on Homosexuality and now you have a movement to try and legalize gay marriage.

Of course aids is popular among gays. Maybe the problem will fix itself. .....evil thought that os wrong....once again i do apologize

Listen i don't have a problem with Gay people my Uncle is Gay....i think everyone has a gay uncle now-a-days....once again i apologize who says we have to be all serious i think its healthy to add humor:)

ms understood:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
and as for you glass wall prison
open yur eyes, do you go to church? eeryone has there own secrets and ill bet atleast one person in your church is gay, bi, lesbian , knows some one who is, or has experimented with it! and closed minded, ignorant people like you are the kind of people making our counrty out to look like crap cuz ya all think your better than us! get over yourself and face up to the facts!!
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i never made such claims. And you call me ignorant and close minded. Just cause i go to church makes me better than you people. How stereo typical. I realize i did the same but i wasnt part of the discussion strictly for humor. Anyways you should come to one of my open air preachings sometimes.

I happen to stress the fact that there is one difference between the saved and the unsaved. We are both evil just plain rotten to the core. The difference is our destination after death. Does that make us better nah. Its you who stereo type us. Im not going to be a guilable fool and say all christians are like that because well thats just dumb.

Arcane:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Thank you Bret!!! I read this thread for the first time right now and was getting so pissed of with glass wall prison because even though I am straight I respect everyone and believe that all people should be equal--Everyone should be able to marry if that is what they want--
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I never said they couldnt the government did. I was simply agreeing with them . Your telling me this like i have the power to change it.

MemoirsOfMe:>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Look. Remember in the past when we had equality issues between color? I see this as exactly the same way. Being Black, they were born with a different skin color, and being White, they were born also with a different skin color. But should that make a difference in their equality issues? No.

So, just because Gays/Lesbians/and Bi's were born with a different mindset in choosing their partners, should they not have the same equality as us other Americans? No. They are AMERICAN CITIZENS, and by they have the same RIGHTS as everyone else.

I don't know how much clearer it can get. This is just another act of Government and Religion mixing...
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If i cant bring up pedofile what gives you the right to bring up race.

People have a choice. I refuse to believe were born gay somewhere along the lines somthing twisted the sexual preference part of the brain. Either you got to close to one of your guy freinds. Your raised by women. your dads femine. something along those lines...

this country was founded on religion.Why not let it have some say in politics i heard no one complining back in the day., but america has become a land full of cry babbies. Christians included. You wonder why the world hates us. We have are part in it of course but its cry babies like the whole homosexual thing and bush being on vacation all the time. Vote a gay president in to office of course make sure he comes out of the closet on his inagural speech or whatever one it is when he wins the election. We came here to escape opression. So lets not talk about that because were vets. Christians are opressed by pretty much everyone.

i jhope i didnt offend to many of you

sincere apologies if i died. Maybe i over did it.