Opinion on Gay marriage

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It's illegal so stop crying about it. Try again when we get a new president. Until then you know viva la resistance or whatever the gay rally phrase is.

My guess is here in 10 years probably less Gay marriage will be legal just be patient. You will get equality in the end, but for now. Stick it out keep going one day at a time. What a day of rejoicing it will be when that day comes. Not for all but for some. I've already accepted gay marriage i know its inevitable so why fight it. In my opinion its still wrong, but you know if it makes people happy then why not. World will keep on spinning.

I Dont Agree With The Whole Aspect Of Being Gay For The Simple Fact That I'm a Christian Woman, But I Agree That It Should Be Legal, I Have Nothing Against Gay People And I Never Will...I Have Alot Of Gay Guy Friends And I Enjoy Their Company More Than Girls Personaly...And I Think Its Unfair For Any State In The U.S To Band Gay Marriage And Still Claim This Is a Free Country, Its Contradicting Everything We Stand For

*If Your Gay Be Proud Of Who You Are Let No One Tell You Diffrent Unless You Want To Change Your Prefrence*
xoxo-Nikki-xoxo

^^If i cant bring up pedofile what gives you the right to bring up race.

Paedofilia is illegal and ALWAYS will be. Being Black, white, asian hispanic, red with tangerine spots isn't.

Race is an example of civil rights, paedofilia is an example of criminality. Just because paedofiles have morals it does not justify what they do and certainly does not justify or warrant child abuse.

I don't get this cry baby mentality you're banging on about, the only one crying here is you because you fear that gay marriage will bring the church down, which it won't. If anything it will help stabilise the problems in America today.

AIDS: More heterosexuals have AIDS throughout the world than homosexuals. Check your facts before flinging keywords that generate fear.

"Were going to be the laughing stock of the world."

We already are the laughing stock of the whole world for reasons that have nothing to do with homesexuality. Or if we aren't yet then we will be very soon.

Anyone should be able to get married. Simple as that.

Why should the government have a say in this, anyway? If two people are in love, they should be allowed to marry.

I guess it's just another law that makes the government feel all big and strong.

as someone said bring a gay president in well look who is running how it is hilary clinton and wow I think we all now or at least think she is a little on the gay side so lets all vote her in ok just tring to lightin the mood a little ok.

Glass*wall*Prison- Yeah! Exactly. Government isn’t going to stop it from mixing. It is just another matter of movement to control us. Your very first points in the post made absolutely no sense. In the Bible, Christians/Catholics are shown that being Gay/Les/Bi is wrong… so some people think of it, as they aren’t welcome in their church if they are not welcome in Heaven, you aren’t stating anything big. It was narrow-minded. You don’t have anything against Gays? Sure, then stop making rude comments, because seriously you have to be expected to get answers of people getting rude back. Excuse me? There is a huge line between a pedophile and color. Three are pedophiles of every single Religion… just because someone is Gay doesn’t automatically state they are a pedophile. My statement made perfect sense… you aren’t just looking deep into it. And that is your opinion about Gays. It isn’t a fact. They might be born Gay, documentations say so. So that is your opinion. Um… your last paragraph was horribly written, but I will try to answer it to my best. Back in the day we had no idea what was going on! Back then there was a lot of Religions. Just because one Religion dominates the rest of the population doesn’t mean it is meant to rule the whole country. We have citizens of every Religion, and by passing some laws like we are right now, it doesn’t fit into a lot of peoples fancy. Well back in the day Women had no rights, Colored had no rights, what is it going to be Gay having no rights? It isn’t right and you know it. It is not illegal in all states. Please do research.

I dont see seperate water fountains for gays anywhere. Gays have rights you just want more like everyone else in the world. Always wanting something.....Memoirs

Kristen i was refering to those in the US.

Nikki your right it is a free country, but even a free country has limitations and you know that. If this were a totaly free country then murderers would be out running about, we wouldn't even have prisons. Goverment must make laws to protect the well being of the country. I don't know any reason for gay marriage, but im sure they have some. There not just going to say no.

Brett of course if you compare numbers heteros will have more people with aids. Theres alot more heterosexuals in the world, but compare percentages. It will tel you a different story.

Heather were not totaly the laughing stock Canada and Mexico catch more crap than us. Besides Iraq is pretty much the place to bag on now-a-days. If you havnt noticed. Even if we were now we can drop a couple of bombs like we always do. Bam!!! there still talking crap. It's an endless cycle.

oh yes and memoirs in my earlier posts i was mentioning places in the US to get married. I know its not right, but that doesnt change the fact that i disagree with it. LIke i said earlier Gays have all there rights of everyone else. They just can't get married. Oh my goodness, we might aswell kill areselves because we can't get married. I have no reason to live. Grow-up quit crying. Gays arent be persacuted there just being told"no" like a little kid and they don't like it.

No offence, but anyone stupid enough to allow the government to have anything to do with the extent, title or limitations of their relationship isn't getting my sympathy.

The exception for this is the adoption issue for Gay people, as it is a tricky one, because clearly you stand more chance of adopting if you are married, but again this is government control over personal freedom.

You can argue about it, or you can not get married, live in glorious sin and not care.

I THINK GAY MARRIAGE SHOULD BE LEGAL. NOTING IS WRONG WITH TWO PEOPLE FROM DA SAME SEX GETTING MARRIED. IS THIER DECISION. THEIR LIFE. LET THEM GET MARRIED.THEIR NOT DOING ANY HARM TO ANYONE

Really, Gays have equal rights? So, Gay Marriage becoming illegal is having equal rights as Straights? No, not even close. I want more? I’m not even Gay/Les/Bi, I’m fighting for rights for them, not for me. I already have rights, I have the right to marry since I am an American Citizen, and Gays should have the equal right as marriage such as I. We are EQUAL. The skin color reference you totally got wrong. Just because someone has a different skin color doesn’t mean they should have different rights. So someone who has different mindset in partner choosing doesn’t mean they should have different rights either.

Your response to Nikki- How is making Gay Marriage illegal protecting our Country?

Your last response to me- Your grammar is really bad. I suggest you type it up in MW. But anyway, does this sound like a weep? No, I am trying to fight for equal rights! There is no crying involved. You are being hypocritical because I bet if you were not able to marry just because who you chose as a partner, you would be equally mad and want the same rights as others. Yes, something as little getting Married MEANS something, Gays/Les/Bi’s have feelings too, it isn’t like they are emotionless. It is the fact they are being told No, and that this little movement can lead to much more! What will next Gays not have the right to do? It opens a door, and then another, and before you know it, they won’t have any rights at all.

Brett of course if you compare numbers heteros will have more people with aids. Theres alot more heterosexuals in the world, but compare percentages. It will tel you a different story.

ok.. let's compare percentages:

At around 17.3 million, women make up almost half of the total number of people living with the virus, 13.2 million of which live in sub-Saharan Africa (76% of all women living with HIV).

Sub-Saharan Africa remains the most affected region in the world. Two thirds of all people living with HIV are in sub-Saharan Africa where 24.5 million people were living with HIV in 2005.

These are families. Men, women and children. Of which over 50% are heterosexual women. Not homosexuals as you would like us all to think.

there...66% (approximately) of the world's population are members of African families. Guess what the biggest religion in Sub saharan areas is.

http://www.thebody.com/unaids/global_facts.html

http://chi.gospelcom.net/GLIMPSEF/Glimpses/glmps151.shtml

glass*wall*prison: Thats The Most Ignorant Thing I've Heard On This Post lol....Why Compare Gay Marriage To Murderes?? They Aren't Killers, They Aren't Bad People Their Just Like YOU AND ME!...How Would You Feel If Bush Said You And Your Boyfriend Couldn't Get Married And You Love Each Other And Want To Spend Forever Together....Would It Be Right If Bush Said No You Cant Marry This Person Because I Think Only Gay People Can Get Married...See Flip The Script And See How You Would Feel In Their Shoes...Marriage Isn't a Sin Or a Crime So The World Needs To Stop Acting Like It Is!
xoxo-Nikki-xoxo

glass*wall*prison: Thats The Most Ignorant Thing I've Heard On This Post lol....Why Compare Gay Marriage To Murderes?? They Aren't Killers, They Aren't Bad People Their Just Like YOU AND ME!...How Would You Feel If Bush Said You And Your Boyfriend Couldn't Get Married And You Love Each Other And Want To Spend Forever Together....Would It Be Right If Bush Said No You Cant Marry This Person Because I Think Only Gay People Can Get Married...See Flip The Script And See How You Would Feel In Their Shoes...Marriage Isn't a Sin Or a Crime So The World Needs To Stop Acting Like It Is!
xoxo-Nikki-xoxo

first off im only 16 im not getting married til im somewhere around late 20's early 30's.

LET ME CLARIFY SOMETHING.
I agree that gays should have the right to marry. I never said i was against that. However You asked for my opinion about it. I disagree with gay marriage, but i won't cast a vote preventing it.

Who ever put up those statistics. How bout posting some for just the US ;) since that is the place i am refering to.

Kristen i was exagerating.

Memoirs the government said you cant get married. I can 100% promise you that the government will not take away anything else. Oh yes and don't go pickin on ma grammer. I'm a Georgia boi. Whatcha spectin. :)

Nikki for stressing your point not twice but three times, i suppose you want me to respond to you. so here goes. I wasn't comparing them. You stated:

And I Think Its Unfair For Any State In The U.S To Band Gay Marriage And Still Claim This Is a Free Country, Its Contradicting Everything We Stand For

If you want this counrty to be free why lock up people for murdering people. They have the right to do it cause this is a free country. We can't be totaly free. We must have limitaions. You said we claim to be a free country and were contridicting ourself. The government wouldn't agree to gay marriage be illegal unless there were legitamate reasons.

Marriage = Murder? WTF?

Though while I have nothing against gay people whatsoever. Love gay men. Some lesbians are pretty cool too. but I'm pretty sure the government shouldn't be able to decide who should marry who. Though Love is universal, the government does give official civil union documents for both straight and gay couples, Marriage is an institution of religion. and you can't tell a religion what it can and can't allow. but then, the Catholic Church has changed its policies before...if it means that much to you to marry within the church, by all means, keep fighting!

honestly, I wouldn't bother.

In case anyone is wandering or cares why i disagree with gay marriage:

1. God lists “homosexual offenders” among “the wicked” (1 Corinthians 6:9).

2. God lists “homosexual offenders” among those who He determines will “not inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9).

3. Historically, homosexuality has incurred God’s destructive wrath upon an entire city (Gen. 19:4-5, 11-13).

4. God’s word defines the men of Sodom as “sinning greatly” because of their men having sex with men (Genesis 13:13; 19:5).

5. God calls Sodom’s sin “sexual perversion” (Jude 1:7). Societies that remain in perversion (Sodom, Rome...) are on the road to destruction.

6. God’s word identifies husband-wife relations as “natural relations” and homosexual relations as “unnatural ones” (Romans 1:26-27) and “perversion” (vs. 27).

7. God’s word also rebukes those who “approve of those who practice” homosexuality (Romans 1:32).

8. Jesus settled the marriage issue once for all, declaring that God had made them “male and female ... a man ... [and] his wife” (Matthew 19:4-5).

ahh beautiul im not comparing the actions just the right to do them if gays are allowed to marry then murderers should be allowed tomurder . Marriage makes gays happy. Being a pedofile makes pedofiles happy.

If you want America to be free we have to let everyone do what makes them happy. is what i was stressing. gay muderer rapist pedofile it doesnt matter.

http://www.mamohanraj.com/Amusing/gaymarr.html

you guys should read what this guy wrote. Its pretty insightful

well thats my veiw on gay marriage. take my word for it pedofiles dont see any wrong in what they do. Who are you to judge them when you guys are also outside of what the norm is. If uou guys can be born with sexual preferences so can they maybe by that comparison you will open your eyes a little bit. i consider them one in the same as do most.

lol you think they would deny it if it were legal? Its called 25 years in prison. thats why they hide it.

No its called SEXUAL PREFERENCE or does that arguement only work for you

A common arguement is that legalizing Gay marriage will destroy thie instituion of marriage. Wich has already been seen in some Scandanavian countries. Its statisticly shown that half of the babies born in 1990's will spend atleast part of there childhood in single parent homes.
Social scientists have been surprisingly consistent in warning against this fractured family. If it contnues almos every child will have several "moms" and "dads," perhaps six or eight "grandparents" and dozens of half-siblings. It will be a world where little boys and girls are shuffled from pillar to post in an ever-chnging pattern of living arrangments were huge numbers of them will be raised in foster-care homes or living on the street (as millions do in other countries all over the world today). Imagine an environment where nothing is stable and where people think primarily about themselves and their own selfpreservation

Hey glass wall,

I think it's a solid brick wall you are in, and most likely have been in for many years...say about 2006?

The world has changed a great deal since the time of old JC, the bible has changed a great deal since that time come to think of it, so much so it's no longer a trustworthy source of moral direction.

Love is the law I thought Jesus said, I don't recall Jesus ever saying anything bad about Gay people. That he acknowledged the custom of marriage being about a man and a woman is all well and good, but that was 2006 years ago! We don't know that he was talking about how things should be for all time Amen, for all you know he was mentioning the standards of the times and nothing more.

In any case, we are talking about civil liberties and human rights, can we keep religion out of that side of it, there is a reason the church and state should be seperated and I feel involving the supposed word of God is about as weak a debating point as you are likely to see.

In fact I'd go so far as to suggest that anyone who uses quotes from the bible to back up their lack of valid logic, is rather stupid and should not be included in a debate of opinion and intelligence.

glass*wall*prison, The US pretty soon will be the laughing stock of the world for different very important issues... like education. Just wondering but are all your reasons why you think being gay is wrong becuase you believe in God? Or do you actually have Other reasons?

my opinion.
God made adam and eav.
man and woman.
thats how it is supposed to be.
not man man.
not woman woman.
thats what i believe ...

i believe in God. yes.
but i belive that that isnt what his purpose was.
and thats my belief.
So i guess it is basically because i DO belive in God and the bible. ...

glass*wall*prison: It Still Stands As An Ignorant Statement....Gay People Aren't Harming Anyone, Murderers Are...Gay People Aren't Harming Innocent People...Pedofiles Are...How Dare You Compare The Gay Community To People Who Belong In Prison....Are You Saying Gays Should Be Locked Up For Their Preference...If Theres Any Good Reason Why Gays Shouldn't Be Married...I Sure As Hell Haven't Heard It Yet....

In My Own View I Don't Approve Because I'm Christian Also...But Gay People Are Going To Be Gay No Matter What...So Bush Might As Well Leagalize Marriage Because Their Going To Do What They Want To Anyway...Marriage Isn't Going To Make a Diffrence...So I Don't See Bush's Valid Reason Besides The Christian Beliefs Of His Own, There Are Christian Americans But America As a Whole Is Not Christian! I Think Religion Is Important In My Life But Its Shoved Down Non-Believers Throats All The Time Its Just Sugar-Coated By The Goverment
xoxo-Nikki-xoxo

glass wall, wow, you can qoute abunch of bible verses, im so proud, NOT! i find it funny that you can have this holier than thou attitude and say oh well i believe in god but you know the old saying actions speak louder than words, why not show us that you believe in Him rather than just tellin us?! and also, im sick of you hiding behind the bible, im christian, and im also bi, so what cuz you know what, god also says youre not saved by actions, but by faith!

Ummmmm i just dont understand how you say you are **christian** yet you are pretty much going against what God's word says. Most christians are hypocrites by actions..because noone is perfect. but that i just a huge hypocritical thing right there. And even if Gay people were to do what they want, people still have a right to think what they want about it. People who are gay get offended if someone looks at them wrong, but people who truely dont belive in that or if it makes them feel uncomfortable, they dont get a say to stand up for what they do belive in??? and if someone doesnt belive in it they just say "the only reason you dont belive in it is because of God"..well yea that is pretty much it. My faith and belief and i know what God's purpose was. thats what i belive . not just because i "say" im a christian. But whatever its not like i dont like people that are gay. I just dont belive what they are doing is right...

oh by what i just wrote was to that Nikki girl..

Italian and Glass. I don't mean to be insulting, but I find your opinions so lacking in common sense, empathy and logic that it's hard to respond to your posts without being offensive.

I'll keep it simple however. Without mentioning God, or the bible or anything to do with religion, can you, and by that I mean YOU, tell me why you think being Gay is a bad thing?

Now remember, no God, Bible references!! If you believe in this, you should be able to justify it on your own like a normal adult with an opinion. For example, I believe in Evolution, and if you asked me why, I could in a weak way very similar to people like yourself quoting the bible, just give you a cut anbd pasted link to some geology, fossil website, or quote Darwin. But because I, that is ME believes in this for my own reasons, I would be able to explain my thoughts on the subject free [but of course influenced]from these other sources.

That is what i want you, and anybody else who thinks gay folks are living in sin, to do. i don't know if no one has told you, but in adult discussions, you can't say things like

"Being gay is sin, that is how it is"

That is not an argument point, it is blank worthless personal statement, and it holds no weight. If you say that and then explain the reasons, personal to you, or backed up with some form of research etc, then you are better placed to debate your point. At the moment all you lot are saying is

"Being gay isn't right becuase God says so"

Wow, amazing use of insight and intelligence, I mean that is really going to win over the sceptics.

I bet you can't come up with one good reason that stands up to scrutiny. In fact if you do, I'll convert to Christianity.

Glass*wall*prison- What? Why lock up people for murdering? The most idiotic statement so far. Look, do not put up bible verses. The Bible has nothing to do with Gay Marriage. Government and Religion = Separation. And Gay Marriage does not destroy the institution of Marriage at all! Marriage is already abrupt at the moment with Divorce, over 50% of parents right now grew up with divorced parents, and 1 million American children go through divorce each year… that is the straight side, it tells you how much Gays take part into getting married and actually put effort into a relationship. I guess all straight people aren’t as ‘Christianly’ as you think.

I don’t think a ‘because god says so’ sums it all up for you. It sounds like you’re a robot to the Bible, you need to have logic and your own opinion, because if it said go jump off the bridge, you’d say, ‘I’m jumping off of the bridge because the bible says so’.

And, Kevin, I agree with your whole post.

I'm trying to find USA Aids stats, hard to come by.

I did just have a tiny epiphany though.

If gays had the rights to marriage that would promote monogamy in the gay community* and therefore slow the spread of HIV. Wouldn't this ideal alone encourage the right to gay marriage? Thoughts?

*Monogamy is already commmonplace in the gay community, that's why they want to be able to marry in the first place.

Bret I think that is a very very good point.

AH KEVIN dude what are you doing?!?!?!?! To defend a religious opinion you have to use the source. For the record i have not just used a religious standpoint in this debate.

. God lists “homosexual offenders” among “the wicked” (1 Corinthians 6:9).

2. God lists “homosexual offenders” among those who He determines will “not inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9).

3. Historically, homosexuality has incurred God’s destructive wrath upon an entire city (Gen. 19:4-5, 11-13).

4. God’s word defines the men of Sodom as “sinning greatly” because of their men having sex with men (Genesis 13:13; 19:5).

5. God calls Sodom’s sin “sexual perversion” (Jude 1:7). Societies that remain in perversion (Sodom, Rome...) are on the road to destruction.

6. God’s word identifies husband-wife relations as “natural relations” and homosexual relations as “unnatural ones” (Romans 1:26-27) and “perversion” (vs. 27).

7. God’s word also rebukes those who “approve of those who practice” homosexuality (Romans 1:32).

8. Jesus settled the marriage issue once for all, declaring that God had made them “male and female ... a man ... [and] his wife” (Matthew 19:4-5).

that is what God and JC have to say about homesexuality. JC said God made us male and female "husband and wife" That doesn't mean God hates gay people. God hates your sin. sure the bible says its a sin to hate, there is an exception though. Righteous hate is not a sin. Wich God has righteous hate against everyone not just Gays. He loves everyone, but hates our sin. Our sin is what seperates us from God.

The bible has not changed it's people who have changed. You will do well not to get that confused.
If you want evidence that can support that statement, well i'll be hapy to ablige since that's what all you guys want. There have been manusripts dated back to the 12-16 century about scientific and historical events. We have less than 20 manuscripts on a specific historian his name bypasses me at the moment, but i'll get that to you soon. Anyways we believe those 20 manuscriptes whole-heartedly we accept them as truth. Why is that? The bible has over 27,000 discovered and dated manuscripts. Dated back around, during, and after the death of Christ. If you compare these old manuscripts you will see that there word for word. There are some exception with new bible versions and all but the meaning is the same. That is scientificlly proven. Now how ilogical is it to say that we believe less than 20, but its kinda hard to believe in 27,000. That is illogical reasoning if you ask me. Not to mention the bible stating that Kings, armies, and nations will march against this book, but they will long vanish, but the word will remain. All the kings armies and nation that have marched against the bible are gone, but his word is still here. Which is why i believe what it says without doubt. So in return to your rather misdirected statment:

"In fact I'd go so far as to suggest that anyone who uses quotes from the bible to back up their lack of valid logic, is rather stupid and should not be included in a debate of opinion and intelligence."

Your right church and state should be seperated in my opinion as well especially in a Democracy. The government isn't saying there banning gay marriage because what the bible says. It's the people who say that. I'm sure there is some religious officails who let religion guide there judgement, but like 75 percent of them don't. Christians are becoming a minority. Anyways back on topic.

I have not just said gay is a sin. I don't think i specifically said that in this post. I think i said it goes against the teachings of the word of God, but i never flat out said it was a sin. That would just lead into a whole nother debate.

KRISTEN:
What you have been saying is freedom for gay people. If gay people can have freedom everyone else should. You seem to be in the boat where freedom has no limitations. If you want freedoms for all yoou better start backing yourself up.

HEATHER:
My reasons for what i believe are my own, but if you must know. No i wasn't scared for life by a gay expierence. No i don't have a Gay lover who left me. No my dad isn't gay and i hate him. I have one gay family memebr that i know of, and that is my uncle. We happen to be very close. He supports my beliefs as i to him. It's not like every time i talk to him i tell him to stop being gay. I support what he does because its his desicion, but i don't agree with it.

ITALIAN THANKS FOR DROPPING BY. I hope you stay for a bit.

MS UNDERSTOOD:
first off im not hiding behind the bible. I am standing up for it. Which is a rare thing now-a-days. As you can see on this debate bible defenders are really low. I never said i was holier than you or anyone. I never said i was better. Just because im christian doesnt mean i dont mess up im 16 i mean of course im going to mess up. Ask any teenage christian. It's hard especially when we defend our beliefs in school with your freinds or in debates such as these. Sure some drop in and say Gay is a sin god says gay is bad, but they dont stick around for the debate. I have planted my feet firmly. I have agrred that Gay marriage should be legalized cause i have faith in My God that this is part of his plan. He knew this was going to happen before any of us did. I have faith in my God that Good will come of it. If it takes a turn for the worst, then i have faith in my God that something Good will come of it. If you have a chance read about the whole kingdom that was destroyed by God because of homosexuality. It was a number of other things, but homosexuality is the straw that broke the monkeys back. If you compare that kingdom to the US you will see were not far from the same fate. Im all about faith buddy faith is why im debating now. faith that somone not part of this debate is getting something from it. Maybe a christian on looker by reading what ive posted is gathering the guts to do it herself. So please do not preach to me about faith. For i think i am just as knowledable as you are on the subject.

Oh yea KEVIN again(BTW WELCOME TO THE DEBATE):

I have more than bible knowledge to back up my claims. Are you aware of the FMA(Federal MArriage Amendment for those who do not know)

You may not have heard about it, but there is a proposed constitutional amendment currently before Congress. The Federal Marrage Amendment (FMA) which was crafted by the Alliance for Marriage, is supported by members of both political parties, as well as a broad coalition of Protestants both mainline and conservative Catholics, historically AfricanAmerican churches, Jews Orthodox Christians and secular groups. The wording of the FMA is simple. It states:

Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman Neither this constitution or the constitution of any state, nor state or federal law shall be construed to require that marital status or the lgeal incidents thereof be conferred upon unmarried couples or groups.

Are we so ignorant, are we so unconcerned are we so blind that we cannot see the impact cultural,economic legal you name the sphere which homosexual marriage will bring? Not only Western Civilization, which came out of the mind of Christ but the whole of civilization will be drastically changed. Forget the family mother, father, children because it will not exist in that brave new world. Look for the govenment to take on more and more responsibilities for children.

How would this all affect me? Well lets see...

1 With the legalisation of homosexual marrage every public school in the nation will be required to teach that this perversion is the moral equivalent of traditional marriage between a man and a woman. Textbooks even in conservative states will have to depict man/man and woman/woman relationships, and stories written for children as young as elementary school or even kindergarten, will have to give equal space to homosexuals.

2From that point courts will not be able to favor a traditional family involving one man and one woman over a homosexual couple in matters of adoption. Children will be placed in homes with parents representing only one sex on an equal basis with those having a mom and a dad. The prospect of fatherless and motherless children will not be considered in the evaluation of eligibility. It will be the law.

3Fostercare parents will be required to undergo "sensitivity training" to rid themselves of bias in favor of traditional marriage, and will have to affirm homosexuality in children and teens.

4How about the impact on Social Security if there are millions of new dependents that will be entitled to survivor benefits. It will amount to billions of dollars on an already overburdened system. And how about the cost to American businesses? Unproductive costs mean fewer jobs for those who need them. Are state and municipal governments to be required to raise taxes substantially to provide health insurance and other benefits to millions of new spouses and other dependents?

5Marriage among homosexuals will spread throughout the world, just as pornography did after the Nixon Commission declared obscene material beneficial to mankind. Almost instantly the English speaking countries liberalised their laws against smut. America continues to be the fountain head of filth and immorality and its influence is global.

hows that for religious convictions dwelt...stick that one in your pipe and smoke it. I must admit the grammer and spelling might not be to good :) i was rushhing and my hnds got tired.

Now for my religious teachings.

Perhaps most important, the spread of the Gospel of Jesus Christ will be severely curtailed. The family has been God's primary vehicle for evangelism since the beginning.

Its most important assignment has been the propagation of the human race and the handing down of the faith to our children. Malachi 2:15 reads, referring to husbands and wives, "Has not the Lord made them one? In flesh and spirit they are His. And why one? Because He was seeking godly offspring. So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith with the wife of your youth"

That responsibility to teach the next generation will never recover from the loss of committed God fearing families. The younger generation and those yet to come will be deprived of the Good News as has already occurred in France Germany and other European countries. Instead of providing for a father and mother the advent of homosexual marriage will create millions of motherless children and fatherless kids. This is morally wrong and is condemned in Scripture. Are we now going to join the Netherlands and Belgium to become the third country in the history of the world to normalize and legalize behavior that has been prohibited by God himself? Heaven help us if we do!

Dwelt notice how i said "we" "us" "our". Nice verses no doubt found in Mathew, verses 7:1or2 i dont remember and john chapter 8 im not sure the vers, but im sure you will find it. Lost people do not have the right to use those verses, for they do not reconize there sin as sin. The saved simply reconize thre sin and turn away from it. I won't be guilable and say christians dont sin, because that's just stupid don't forget we are human and we do make mistakes, but we confess our sins to a merciful God, and pray for forgivness. Then over-time we get stronger and we don't fall down as much, but we still do. I only stated those verses cause somone asked why i believed what i did. I fail to see where i was judging anyone, or stating that i myself sin. Of course that is a popular argument against christians. That we have no right to judge people or however your arguement goes. I'm sure you will do doubt refresh my memory. Find some new stuff because like you say to us. It's getting old.

I have made up my mind, i hope your not guilable enough to belive i've been a Christian my whole-life. I'm actually a fresh convert. I was saved and accepted Jesus Christ as my lord an savior October 11th. From there it was my choice to study his word, and through my study these are the conclusions i have come to.

wow this is a long post...i started at around 12:30 and its almost 2

What I asked you was if your only reasons for being against Gay Marriage is becuase of God. Not anything else! So answer the question if you're going to say anything else to me.

No kidding

So pretty much what most of you are saying...people who ARE christians cant back up what they belive in through God?? Maybe i dont have a whole bunch of reasons exactly why i am not for Gay rights, mainly because i dont sit around all day thinking about it. but i do know that i can say i dont believe its right because i do love God and i believe every word of the Bible.
im not trying to be like "oh what your doing is a sin. and God hates you." because thats not right..well it is a sin but God doesnt hate you. all im trying to say, is thats what i belive so i think i should beable to back it up from that...But on the other hand this topic is so POINTLESS to even talk about with all of these different opinions. because no matter what people will belive what they want and do what they want.

Anyways.

Leviticus 18:22 :

You shall not lie with male as with a woman. It is an abomination.

oh italian good one. Why didn't i think of that one. Though i don't think i've read leviticus entirely.

KRISTEN looks like your first.(congrats)

They do have the same rights as everyone else. They just can't marry. If you think about it, it will cause a choice that normally wouldn't accure. You will grow up either choosing to be gay or not. When you guys have clearly stated your born with. Which i will refute to the very end. So our children will grow up thinking gay is normal. In turn after a couple of years we will have probably the same number of gay couples than heterosexual ones. It has nothing to do with treating them equal we do treat gays the same. Yes i think i would rather grow-up in an orphanage where i can choose what to believe. Where as kids living with gay parents are almost garunteed to be gay. Seeing how children learn everything as a child and they tend to learn what there parents know. Which is how to be a homosexual. No comments on the other 3?

HEATHER: i think i answered your question fully with the reasons i posted 6 reasons i've posted. 5 were from a wordly not christian based veiwpoint. Only one reason was from a christian veiw point. Just don't make the mistake of thinking that's my only christian reason.

Please lets try to keep this debate clean i know there were some others before, but you know 3 stirkes your out. Let's be respectful and curdius to one another. :)

DWELT:

It did not change the bible. The new testament is just the second half of the word of God. The bible was incomplete the new testament completed it. Besides the New testament books were written around the time of Christ whereas the old testament was before. Also im already making plans to be an evangalist/missionary, in 2 years hopefully i will be in bangladesh, china, or somewhere sharing my faith with those who havn't heard it. CONTRADICTIONS?!?!?!?! Scientist have been trying to find and prove contridiction in the bible since the dawning of time. Guess what there still looking. Yes you are allowed to live your life the way you want. However im sure your familiar with the great commision. We as christians are required to share our faith, but in a sad pole i read recently in a CHRISTIAN MAGAZINE said that 98% of proffesing christians have never shared the gospel with anyone. That leaves 2% doing what the lord commands us to. Im very proud to call myself part of that 2%. You choose the way you want to live. We chose ours. Since you have heard the word of God, you have no excuse on judgement day. you had a choice to make. Deny God and He will deny you. Were command to spread his word however you have the choice to obey it. Im just doing my part.

another thing dwelt i'm glad to see you can add some humor to your post. not all serious like some of these hardcore debators :)

~GLASS~

i also appreciat your honesty God bles ya man

ok kirsten. i respect what you belive. but when we were born we were the same. Why would God make a baby born Gay or lesbian when its totally against him.?? And Being Gay or lesbian is a CHOICE. Right now anyone can choose to be Gay. God didnt make anyone that way.