I just lost faith in humanity

What I posted is the same answer to be honest, I only shared because Everlasting asked and I gave a reply from an Islamic point of view, so what you posted is also your own point of view. It's a big world with many faiths and beliefs. Doesn't matter what I believe in or what I think, as long as we can all manage to treat people on the individual level peacefully. So there is really nothing for me to add, just didnt want to leave your inquiry unasnwered.

Hmmm...oh lol....sorry then ran...i didn't see it :p

Yes agreed...we shouldn't see what religion we come from or what our belief is on these subjects ...we should see people individually....
No person is born with a tag mark on their body that they belong to so and so religion....so why discriminate....
And after all if we look into all the holy books..i believe all of them teach just the same thing...peace and to live and let live...and love everyone..and treat everyone equally....

^ agreed :)

Of course we see the religions people have, just as we see their race, ethnicity, gender, height, weight, age and so forth.

The world is a salad bowl of many varieties. It is the differences that make us interesting just as it is the misunderstanding of differences that may intimidate and lead to hate.

To ignore these differences leads to putting artificial walls up. Embrace them, but respect them!

Admit that each person is entitled to their own belief as to tenets of faith and we arrive at the campfire of communion. Kumbaya, pass the smores.

Um....no no no....i do see what other people believe in such matters...
if they discriminate and condemn another religion or anything of that sort that can be a cause of war to be frank...i believe we should try to educate them and make them see things clearly...

But why uncle Larry....why see the difference???....why the artificial walls.?????
And seeing differences does not help...it does not create respect but instead discrimination and inferiority many times and mostly hatred....
Walls I believe destroy us...divide us....
Remember united we stand divided we fall....and I believe this whole world is divided..horribly...

this world had been divided into fragments.by narrow domestic walls ... -rabindranath Tagore (where the mind is without fear)

Why the walls??? Is that what makes us??? Fences??? Do fences really make good neighbors???
Robert frost's mending wall is a really good poem I feel to start with all these walls....

Well said Larry!

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Kudo, I think you misunderstood what he meant, perhaps give it another look, I believe we all have the same point up there, somehow!

The walls and differences have never been good....
And these walls ...

where do I start...

if we take the very first difference...gender....and you have a whole history of what this difference has done...how women were treated..as the inferior race...

religion...this wall too only led to wars...

Nations....why divide humans into categories of nations....we belong to earth not some invisible wall that is called nation...nations have also been reason only for war...world wars....haha...India Pakistan the best example according to me...

How can we forget the walls and discrimination money had done....rich poor...

Ummm...i feel I better stop now :)

Indeed, Purvi, lighten up.
Differences are what make the world. It is sun from moon, father from mother, past from future, Cricket from Soccer.

Love differences, embrace them.

Without differences all is boring.

Seek to change the inequities, but do not mistake the existence of difference itself as being evil.

It's more like you can't really turn a blind eye to the true identity of someone, and that is not in the negative sense, we all come from different corners and from different sides, but if we were all the same, how would this world be any interesting ?

So we should not really ignore our differences but actually respect them as a part of us and of everyone else, each with his own, yet coexisting together.

Trying to paraphrase Larry's post, because I think it's what he meant, unless I'm just in neeed of some sleep :P

Exactly.

Carl Jung's path to individuation involves a specific process:

discern the disunion that exists within your psyche, understand it, embrace it, resolve it

OR

discriminate and assimilate

OR

individuate

Well seems like the world is divided to all of the above,
there are those who want to understand and coexist,
those who want to discriminate, and those who want to individuate.

As for me, I think every individual leaves an impact best on his family and surroundings, I work on leaving the good impact on those closest to me, friends, cousins, children (future wise), it is our role to reflect these principles and values of peace, love, and coexistence in our medium.

Okay some differences...

But the man made differences...why the man made differences....i really feel that the walls man has himself made should be eradicated....because although..okay agreed.. You Me..we...we respect them....

But there are like millions in this world who just use these walls as reasons for hatred and war...i personally know many many people who take man made walls as the basis of discrimination...and they do not even try to understand what they are missing in and how they are sort of creating wars...
Fights...

I think it's somehow a deeper philosophy, evil and whatever we call "hate" well it is evil, existed ever since there were few men on this earth, way before religions! It has something to do with the equilibrium between Good and Evil in every human being and their nature, it's one structure and I believe it's all connected ..(in my humble opinion, ofcourse)

Thanks Rania, that's the first source I read while I googled that question. I was actually interested in reading people's opinions, specially from those who have read the Quran.

I have not read the Quran. I only read the first chapter. An online version that I found. I did not continued reading, not because I did not want, but rather I guess my phone does not support the browser or something like that, because I tried going to the next chapter and it could not take me.

Anyhow, I also read other sites, and the majority state that Prophet Mohammed, was illiterate, he could not read nor write, so with the help of others, he recited and the others wrote, then those who wrote, read back to him. That's how prophet Mohammed made sure that the Quran was written exactly as how he recited it.

Now, I was also reading that the book that Prophet Mohammed wrote was written in no particular order, it was arranged randomly. Which leads me to ask this question to you, which version of the Quran did you grow up reading?

That's the one I want to read.

I agree, Purvi, and these walls of injustice are the target for change with every fiber of our being, starting within ourselves and working outward.

Oh I remember...i once thought of reading the Bible in 2012 I guess...so I asked my friend who is a Christan to get her Bible...and oh lol when she got it...i saw the book and I was like oh lol..this book is too fat i'm not reading it :p

And I tried reading the Bhagwad geeta too...gosh...i must have read only four pages :p haha

But uncle Larry...okay fine..you and I try to understand things and are willing to change...we do not confine ourselves to a narrow frame if mind...

But there are some people who just do not try to understand...and I believe they are not even capable of change...they just do not want to look beyond their narrow mindedness

Like I know many people personally who create walls and block...that is what walls do after all block you from looking at the other side ...
Like I had someone tell me that I shouldn't be talking to my maids daughter because of the status and I am ruining my parents reputation...i mean seriously...just because of I have money...she is A human...look at her like that...
And then I have many friends..who divide themselves on the basis of which state of India they come from...and they do not even bother to talk or see the peopele from the other side..because there is a wall..they look at them with disgust...and I have tried so hard trying to explain them but well as I said some people are not capable of widening their mind....
I can give you a hundred more examples where all walls ever did was block humans from contacting each other...

Everlasting:

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1st it is important to keep in mind that the Quran was revealed on and in different phases, as in part by part through years

I will just answer again from a personal and honest point of view, I have never seen a different copy of The Quran? specifically the Arabic one, even if you look it up online most probably it will be the same one I have as a hardcopy?

The English versions, being translations, will definitely differ a LITTLE by word choice synonyms, because as a Translator myself, it is well known that every Translator follows a certain theory but definitely sticks to the meaning and wording when it comes to a Hollly book, but the Arabic versions could not really differ, unless someone just messed up a version and played with words, but such a version has never came across my eyes yet.. ( and I am not talking about those who misinterpret it, cause they are everywhere)

The Quran however is of different verses, each with a title, starts and ends in connected verses, if they were rearranged within the same verse (Sura) the meaning won't really be comprehensible. You can also look up on youtube Muslims from different backgrounds and countries reciting the Quran, and you'd hear the same ones, same verse, same page same number, same word count.. Again, my little humble knowledge, and background.

And if you were interested from the aspect of just browsing and reading more about this Faith, I'd pm you my personal source, which I trust and that represents at least "my" beliefs.

And getting back to the very original topic...

Isn't out these walls and differences that give way to terrorism...do terrorists not form there basis on these grounds...and I really feel they are absolutely not capable of change...cause they lack a conscious..cause if they ever had it they wouldn't have killed anybody in this world...

So these walls should be broken down because they lead to such things as terrorism..and it is increasing day by day..terrorism and these walls and differences....
Because walls do not make good neighbors...it just makes many hate their neighbour .not know their neighbour...jealousy...and indifferent to you're neighbour...and that ultimately leads to lose of humanity...which I feel has mostly already vanished from us humans.. :(

Purvi, you know what I'm going to tell you right ?
it starts with the letter b, and it's a verb that I mention for you in most of my PM replies :P

What??????

Breathe

Oh haha...

Yes right breathe...

I just did :p

lol...if Lucy gets to know I wasn't breathing she'll scold me :p

Sunshine, there is a lot to ponder in this thread

David translates to (The beloved)

They say music is the universal language
What prophet or prophets come to mine with this song

Http://youtu.be/MshbaZqjDm4

His wisdom flowed from Heaven's Book
Just like threaded pearls
Just like threaded pearls
He left his self to flee to God
And God sent him back to us

He was born to be the beloved
A will of the Divine
He was born to be the beloved
He was born to guide

He prayed all his nights alone
And stars and angels sighed
And in the day, he lead the way
With blazing words so bright

He was born to be the beloved
A will of the Divine
He was born to be the beloved
He was born to be kind

He taught the people to worship
Bowing to one God, bowing to one God
His mercy stretched from east to west
To every man, woman and child

He was born to be the beloved
A will of the Divine
He was born to be the beloved
Nature sublime

He opened up the doors of love
For every heart parched with thirst
He was a mercy to the words
And unto the human births

He was born to be the beloved
A will of the Divine
He was born to be the beloved
He was born to guide

Read more: Yusuf Islam - The Beloved Lyrics | MetroLyrics

Michael, your posts on any subject are enlightening

I know what you were saying Nana :) it just had a piece mentioning that the Bible didn't have a book worshiping Mary or something like that. Since I know the Bible and not the Quran I added my piece lol. Trying to make conversation is all.

Got you :) thought I miss-expressed myself or something so rephrased that part! Thank youu Britrit

Taking an objective look at Mary) the mother of a member or the Holy Trinity . I know that my sisters daughter has accused Catholics of worshiping Mary though most catholic teachers deny that one of the first prayer I recall saying after the Lord's prayer was the Hail Mary
I justify the honor given to Mary as a spiritual tribute to the commandment Honor your mother and father and the lyrics to "Let there be peace on earth

(Vince Gill)

Let there be peace on earth
And let it begin with me.
Let there be peace on earth
The peace that was meant to be.
With God as our Father
Brothers all are we.
Let me walk with my brother
In perfect harmony.

Let peace begin with me
Let this be the moment now.
With every step I take
Let this be my solemn vow.
To take each moment
And live each moment
With peace eternally.
Let there be peace on earth,
And let it begin with me.

(child)
Let there be peace on earth
And let it begin with me.
Let there be peace on earth
The peace that was meant to be.
With God as our Father
Brothers all are we.
Let me walk with my brother
In perfect harmony.

Let peace begin with me
Let this be the moment now.
With every step I take
Let this be my solemn vow.
To take each moment
And live each moment
Let there be peace on earth
And let it begin with me.

Read more: Christmas Song - Let There Be Peace On Earth Lyrics | MetroLyrics

http://youtu.be/0_DxNpW1kHQ

Oh yes, I am interested to reading more about faith. If you don't mind, please pm the link. Thank you.

And Purvi,

But breathe deeply from time to time :P

Sure hun!

And seems like we all agree that she should breathe lol

Haha....i've been hearing that from almost everyone now...my friends here, in school, teachers, mom lol....

I guess all my exams tension is making me lose all my senses...just almost a month...let me hold my breath and cry now so that I'll have a wider smile and all the time to breathe once my exams are over and I get my desired percentage and college... :)
Okay i'm seriously gonna stay away from here now...gosh...i'm losing discipline....ran you were supposed to report me you forgot... -_-

Hahah my bad, I'm sorry! :P I will keep that in mind next time. Stay alerted.

Purvi,
Before you get back to your studies I want you to check your PMs

There is a thing in Quran, which from a personal level made me fall deeply and madly in love with it, Is the Scientific miracles that have been there 1400 years ago stated clearly in a book that would show you that no Man could have ever written it, not 1400 years ago, The creation of an Embryo,
the mountains as pegs holding firm the earth below and the 2 seas that don't mix and complete separate flow, to the planets in orbit alternating night and day as they stay in flow, the expansion of the universe and the creation of everything from H20. From identifying the lowest point in the land where Persia defeated rome. the gushing fluid that created man in the glands between the ribs and the backbone and not a word has changed its still the same so please explain how all this was known..1400 years ago.
there goes,

One of the properties of seas that has only recently been discovered is related in a verse of the Qur'an as follows:

He has let loose the two seas, converging together, with a barrier between them they do not break through. (Qur'an, 55:19-20)

This property of the seas, that is, that they meet and yet do not intermix, has only very recently been discovered by oceanographers. Because of the physical force called "surface tension," the waters of neighbouring seas do not mix. Caused by the difference in the density of their waters, surface tension prevents them from mingling with one another, just as if a thin wall were between them.60

It is interesting that, during a period when there was little knowledge of physics, and of surface tension, or oceanography, this truth was revealed in the Qur'an.

In the Holy Quran, God speaks about the stages of man's embryonic development, 1,400 years before modern day scientists 'discovered' important information on creation of man and his development:

We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed-like substance)...[Noble Quran 23:12-14]

Literally the Arabic word alaqah has 3 meanings:
leech
suspended thing
blood clot

1. "In comparing a leech to the embryo at the alaqah stage, we find similarity between the two." [The Developing Human p.8].
"Also, the embryo as this stage obtains nourishment from the blood of the mother, similar to the leech which feeds on the blood of others.[Human Development as Described in Quran and Sunnah p.36].

2. The second meaning of the word alaqah is 'suspended thing'. The suspension of the embryo, during the alaqah stage, in the womb of the mother very appropriately fits this description.

3. The third meaning of the word alaqah is 'blood clot'. We find that the external appearance of the embryo and its sacs during the alaqah stage is similar to that of a blood clot. This is due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo during this stage. Also during this stage the blood in the embryo does not circulate until the end of the third week. So the embryo at this stage is like a clot of blood.

By examining a diagram of the primitive cardiovascular system in an embryo during the alaqah stage we would notice the external appearance of the embryo and its sacs is similar to that of a blood clot due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo[The Developing Human, p. 65]

So the three meanings of the word alaqah correspond accurately to the descriptions of the embryo at the alaqah stage.

The next stage mentioned in the verse is the mudghah stage. The Arabic word mudghah means "chewed-like substance." If one were to take a piece of gum and chew it in his mouth, and then compare it with the embryo at the mudghah stage, we would conclude that they would be almost identical because of the somites at the back of the embryo that 'somewhat resemble teeth marks in a chewed substance.'

How could Muhammad (peace be upon him) have possibly known all this 1,400 years ago when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time? Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm cells using an improved microscope in 1677 A.D. (more than 1,000 years after Muhammad, peace be upon him]. They mistakenly thought that the sperm cell contained a miniature preformed human being that grew when it was deposited in the female genital trac [The Developing Human, p.9]

Professor Keith Moore is one of the world's prominent scientists in the fields of anatomy and embryology and is the author of the book entitled the "Developing Human", which has been translated into eight languages. This book is considered a scientific reference work and was chosen by a special committee in the United States as the best book authored by on person. Dr. Keith Moore is a Professor of Anatomy and Cell Biology at the University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada. In 1984, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. He has directed many international associations, such as the Canadian and American Association of Anatomists and the Council of the Union of Biological Sciences.

In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Moore said; "It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been the messenger of God, or Allah [The reference for this statement is on 'This is the Truth' (video tape). For a copy of this video tape please contact us].

Consequently, Professor Moore was asked the following question, "Does this mean that you believe that the Quran is the Word of God?" He replied; "I find no difficulty in accepting this."

During one conference, Professor Moore stated, "... because the stagein of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Quran and the Sunnah (sayings of Muhammad, peace be upon him). The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge. The intensive studies of the Quran and Hadith (reliably transmitted sayings and reports of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him) in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the 7th century A.D. Although Eric Statle, the founder of the science of embryology, realized that chick embryos developed in stages from his studies of hen's eggs in the fourth century B.C., he did not give any details about these stages. As far as it is known from the history of embryology, little was known about the stagein and classification of human embryos until the twentieth century. For this reason, the descriptions of the human embryo in the Quran cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the 7th century A.D. The only reasonable conclusion is that these descriptions were revealed to Muhammad from God. He could not have known such details because he was an illiterate man with absolutely no scientific training." [This is the Truth -video

Troublesome

seems you are grasping at straws here mate! The Gulf of Alaska is a good example of two seas meeting that have different salinity, density and particle saturation. At first glance it looks like they are separate but in fact they are continuously merging over time through a process called osmosis
Its no miracle just simple science

Professor Keith Moore is a devout christian but respects Islam as having the same god that Christians worship... how does that sit with most Muslims ? and he's one professor among thousands who have opposing views on creation

but if it floats your boat and you want to place faith in a book written 700 years after the event go for it...

"The creation of an Embryo"

Have you heard of Galen? The Greek physician who discovered all that way before anyone thought about writing the Quran?

AND.
EVERYTHING IS MADE FROM H2O?!?!?

Okay, so let's suppose everything the Quran stated is true, every discovery, every thought... that way, Einstein would be a god, too. Or Schrodinger! He imagined what nobody could imagine, defied the classic Newtonian mechanics and explained the behavior of subatomic particles. He could describe the size and the shape and determine the orientation in space of the orbitals in an atom.
Was that written in the Quran?

The person who wrote the Quran is a genius, okay, but to say it's sent from the sky? Um, no.

Is really the main issue in this world whether or not the Quran or the bible are holly books ? It's really silly that the main points being argued are the contents of the scientific facts mentioned in the Quran, whether or not Muslims are wise or silly to believe in them as miracles. I only replied with points upon questions with no intentions to negotiate their credibility with others.

People, really whether there is God, or there ain't God, all of you are arguing about something that you don't believe exists whether proving Quran is real or proving that it isn't, lol.

This is not just about people killing in the name of God or Mohamad or Jesus, or in the name of any faith or belief. The world is full of crimes, atrocities, evil, hatred, and daily crisis and I am not speaking of natural ones, but of things being done every-day in every single country and in every single city, whether highlighted or not. From murders, to children and people trafficking and smuggling, to rape to serial killers, to terrorist groups, to ethnic cleansing BLa bla bla, it's really endless.

Why don't you just all change your method of views and accept what others believe in peacefullyyy, and leave a better peaceful impact on your families and surroundings.. teaching them love, peace, tolerance and acceptance of the other, and if you are a believer, to embrace this horrible world with some prayers.

No use of these posts really, not going anywhere to just prove a point, we are all suffering, all of us. We all belong to this world where humans are living these nightmares, it might be us anytime.

Really .. <3

Well said Sunshine

Knowledge is to science as wisdom is to philosophy

If there is no god. Majority of the human population is lunatic.

Regardless of the questionable existence of an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient singular god. What about individual human conscience? ..about morality?. .the most basic, fundamental sense to distinguish between right and wrong? May be it's all a facade, beneath which lies the ugly truth, that humans are destructive in nature. Well. . destructiveness. . .can be regarded as a trait.

Amputating, flaying, burning one to death. is it justified - because it says so in a book? Its authenticity is most questionable. Is one absolved of his heinous acts if they are performed in the name of god?. . .humanity is .. oh idk. . sick?

A lot of the information found in the books is derivative. A substantial portion of the ancient knowledge has been lost in time, due to the ongoing process of language development and the lack of systematic data archiving. Modern paper making and manufacturing gained momentum not before the 10th century. And religious knowledge was usually passed down from the teacher to the most worthy of students. Similarly, family culture and traditions were passed verbally and practically. History is a fragmented and distorted canvas. Replication of any data, will after a few cycles become corrupted.

On the other hand. . .Noura, I welcome you to Misanthropy101. where you begin to question, whether should you give humanity another chance, hoping things may someday change for the better. If you focus on the negative and the pragmatic, you will keep slipping down this slope. If you focus on the positive, . . well. . .hats off, you possess the heart of a true optimist.