666 for 1, Good evening all.

This is terrible, poets begging for comments on their work. My word what has the world of poetry become.

Don't comment my poems if you want a comment back. You can read them if you like poetry, thats ok with me, I love poetry. I just hate all these attention seekers who can't write to save their lives, begging for comments to make them feel better about their insignificant lives.

If you want comments ask with a suitable reason, say if its in another language and you need help making the translation right, or its about a subject you know little on and want to make sure it is correct.

Oh and by the way, a dark poem is not your pitiful battle to stop yourself cutting your arms in a cry for help way, with words like doom and affliction in it!

Go on, vituperate, do as you please.

Enjoy your evening real poets,
Drusus

First of all, we don't exactly "beg". We ask, and in return offer comments on other peoples work. What's the point in having the comment feature if nobody is going to use it? Sometimes people find it very hard to get their poems commented on at all, and therefore they ask in here if people could do so. You have a problem with it? Good for you. Don't do it then. But people have the right to ask for comments if they want to.

And no offence, but I've read your poetry, and you are in no position to attack "...attention seekers who can't write to save their lives..."

Some people are better than others. You'll find that anywhere. But do not critisize other people's writing, especially when you are no expert on the art yourself.

Ha ha, I love it. Have you really read my work? What a novel answer, I most certainly am in the position to critisize i'm afraid because its my job. I'm a critic.

If you don't understand my poetry thats alright, not everybody will. It doesn't worry me because i've read your poetry and its as bland and dark as a turnip.

Lets have a response, come on this is getting interesting and that post is certainly the only place where you can read passion in your writing on this website.

Drusus

Ha I love that. I'm not an attention seeker but who knows maybe I can't write for beans. Maybe I can. All I know is that this request section is filled iwth people yet the quality of comments written and returned is quite poor. I agree, we should use the comment feature but please make the quality of the comment improve.

Yes, I have really read your work. I didn't say you were bad, but you are by no means the best. You may be a critic in the real world, but nobody on here as asked you to critique their work. And if you are a critic, then please, at least have the decency to act professional:

"...all these attention seekers who can't write to save their lives, begging for comments to make them feel better about their insignificant lives." -- Come on! If you're a critic, then go on and critique someone's writing. But that doesn't give you the right to completely bash them as a writer.

And you can think whatever you want about my poetry. Did you not read my profile? It's okay if my poetry doesn't do anything for you. I write for myself.

Well that may be the case in real life but right now i'm at home and I mentioned no names young Spartacus until you came along, firing two pistols and defending yourself against an imaginary foe.

This is fun isn't it, seriously it is.

I actually quite like some of your poems but for the purposes of having fun at your desperate attempt to defend others, your poems smell like turpentine and old curtains!

Ha ha, I love this. Keep it going I have the day off and you make me smile. I'm glad you don't care what people think about your poems. In fact I think i'm the first writer who will admit he does care. I know you care because you jumped in this forum like a little superman hurling abuse back at my abuse. I care what people think and if they think I can't write well then I care that they're stupid!

By the way I just got a blueberry muffin and its amazing,
Drusus

I'm not going to lie, I like getting comments on my poems. I don't know anybody who doesn't. But if somebody thinks my poetry is bad, and the only comments they give are things like, "It's sucks, you're a terrible writer!!!!" then I really don't care. If somebody thinks my work is bad, then fair enough. I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I appreciate solid advice on how I can improve, but what I'm saying is, it's not the be all and end all if people do not like my poetry.

And I "jumped in this forum like a little superman hurling abuse" because I find your post offensive, since you blatantly attacked other writers. You had no right nor reason for doing that.

Yes, blueberry muffins do tend to be rather nice.

I had very good reason unfortunately. With so many people jumping on here saying 1 for 2 and 3 for 6, or whatever they put, it pushes real writers off the forum and only allows the people who just want to get this websites awards, rather than real acclaim to get comments. Thats my reason and is it not a writers duty to explore places and alleys others have not? Have you read the other threads in this forum? I doubt for a single second that you beg like that for comments.

Thats the point I think your missing in my (yes i'll admit it), passionate if arrogant thread.

I'm trying to jest and annoy those people and get them to show some dignity for the written word. You can ask for criticism without sounding like a teen desperate for someone to tell them they're great. Besides when you say you'll return comments you are only going to get a good one because they want a comment back. Thats why when I write and ask for criticism I say I won't comment back, then usually I do, it filters out the attention seekers.

Seriously I got this muffin from that millies place in the train station in Birmingham, its like a deity in a muffin you have to try one if theres a millies where you are.
Drusus

But some of those "attention seekers" ARE real writers. Just because people want comments, doesn't mean they do not have the ability to write. Have you even read some of the work from people that have posted in this thread? You talk as if they all suck. There are some wonderful writers who have posted in this very thread asking for comments.

I understand the "filtering" system you use to gain comments. But anybody, and I mean anybody, can get their work "noticed" if they posted in this thread. That can be both good and bad. Yes, there are some attention seekers. Yes, some people only do it to get awards or more comments/higher rating. There will always be people like that.

I, myself, have found a vast amount of writers in this thread. I take great notice of their writing, and have found my personal favourite poets.

Yes, I have read the other threads in this forum.

Millie's Cookies, you mean? Their muffins are to die for. They're gorgeous, but the chocolate chip ones are better than the blueberry ones. :P

I'm attacking the way people ask for comments and I smacked them with insults to get their attention. I'm hoping that people will show some maturity and act like writers for a change instead of actors.

I only just recently joined this site and its the only site for poetry I've seen with this kind of 1 for 2 thing for comments. Its like comments have become a kind of prison currency for these people instead of the writing itself being the star. I'd prefer it if all the comments were disabled and only the ranking system was availible. Then again any fool can press a button, the rankings on this site are nothing to do with the poem usually I had someone the other day give me 5/5 and say it was great and in the same comment said but the middle two lines sucked??!!! Sucked? 5/5? I mean come on.

Yeah it was Millie's Cookies, I only got a blueberry one but i'll try a chocolate chip one tomorrow. I love that place but its like death for my diet having to go past that place every morning and night. I have to commute to Birmigham everyday. Imagine having those things waved in your face at six thirty in the morning and saying no. Its too hard! :p

Drusus

But why are you so bothered by it? You said yourself, this is the only site you see something like that. So the majority of poetry sites don't do it. If you have such a problem with it, then why stick around just to cause a commotion?

I agree, the comments and rates you get for a poem do not always accurately reflect how good the poem actually is. But so what? It's only a poetry site.

Do you try the cookies, too? They're lovely. Anyhow, I have to go now. Nice, um, debating with you?

I like commotion and muffins.

wtf

I will admit that I have asked for some comments on here and whatever. But in the process I found an amazing poet, so I should say it was worthwile
(Sometimes I find commenting on people's poems total bullshit. I feel like I am obligated to say I like their poems if they liked mine, even if I hate their poems...)

Lol this topic is the most random thing I have seen in my life.

Some poets suck but blueberry muffins are amazing.

That's what I got from this.

But Drusus, since you are so brutally honest, I would like you to check out one of my latest poems. I'd love an honest comment. Instead of "This is good."

I have left you a comment on your newest featured work shootingstar179, I would urge others to read it too its certainly an interesting read.

Kelsea has a really valid point that seems to be shared by many people. That the problem people are experiencing is to do with comments that really don't mean anything and are just to boost comment numbers.

Maybe we should all try to refrain from commenting unless we really have input or insight. Its all well and good if you like someones poem but why do you? Oh and I love my cat, and I love my friends I most certainly do not love other peoples poems unless they really make me think because I love to think. So if possible could people refrain from the L word unless its accompanied by reasons why, otherwise I might think you do things to poems at night!

Oh and tomorrow i'm going to try a chocolate chip muffin.

Drusus

Good good. The chocolate chip muffin is a very good choice.

Oh and whenever I comment on a poem, I say exactly what I think of it. If I find things wrong with it - I say so. If I like it - I say so. If I find things wrong with it, but I also like it, then I say what is wrong with it, but then say what was good about it.

I see no problem with a very good critique of a poem, pointing out both the strong and weak parts of the poem. I also see nothing wrong with somebody only saying they really enjoyed a poem. Sometimes I comment saying things like, "I really enjoyed that poem. It was refreshing to read. The imagery created was extremely vivid, and I was kept engrossed from beginning to end." - There is nothing wrong with commenting on a person's work just to make them feel good, as long as what you say is the truth. If you generally like a poem, then say so. It can't do any harm just to let a person know that somebody out there enjoys something that they, themself, created.

To be honest, I ask for comment on my work, in hopes that a good worthy comment will come my way and help me improve.

I may not be able to write, but I do try, and honestly, if you think I can't write, I really don't care. It's an honor that some may think I'm good at it, but I really don't care. I write for myself and the pleasure.

And, you yourself are so eggar for attention by posting this thread and putting down others. That's not a good critic, that's just plain lack of manners.

So, my advice to you, and a good critic comment: get some manners.

xTheEcstasyOfSuicidex

Listen guys... There is no point of discussing this... What ever you say in here makes no differnce ppl will still beg for comments... There is no stoping it..

Requests may be good for people who are new to get noticed. However commenting poems just to get coments youself is not a very good way to get honest opinions.
I agree with you and I am sure moste people think just like you but there is no point in discussing it since where will be no effect of it.

I will not say that I never requested readers but most times I have regreated it since the comments were very shrort and very litle critisism was shown.
People seem to comment only to get comments.
I came to this site to challange myself since I never have tried writing poetry before and I did want to see what poeple thought of it in the start but now I just write for myself mostly...

Any how though you are correct in your statement you are fighting a lost battle ..

Take care =)

HAHA. This was amusing. I enjoyed reading this thread. Now, that I've finished...I in turn will add something.

1. Yes, Drusus you do need manners.
2. I think the site should kill the rating idea. It really doesn't beneift thewriter as much, and sometimes it makes it harder to give the writer a more accurate rating.
3. Comments should be more worthwhile. Sometimes I get some dull comments that get me nowhere (and I'll admit that I do that too occassionally, but that's when the people don't really seem to care AND I lack time[they usually say if i like it or not]). Sometimes it's hard not to hurt others' feelings by saying their poems weren't all that great.
4. Also, along the lines of having oneliners, and things ike that, it isn't always too easy to figure out what to comment. Sometimes I read a poem, and I really don't know what to say other than "I liked it. Nice wording..." People ask for comments, so if I have time I enjoy reading their work. Not all comments come out as long and as thought provoking, but sometimes the comments were promised.
5. Chocolate chip is way better than blueberry. =]

I, too, enjoy long thoughtful comments. I'd like to see more of them on my poems. I want to know what I scerwed up on. Anyway to improve it, I'd be greatful. However, at the current moment, EDITING IS A PAIN IN THE BUTT!

that is all.

-Kitty

Yah the rating might not be very honest since some people for instance myself have a realy hard time giving a bad rating..

I mean you must realy write BAD to get a 1 from me and when I say BAD I mean like hit your head on the keyeborard 6 times and submit that...

SO nowdays I don't rate i just read and if im really amazed I give a nice comment =)

Quite a few people say I should get some manners, how nice.

Ha ha, I have all the manners in the world for the people in my life but when i'm on the internet I couldn't care less. Sorry, thats no reflection on the conversation though, just the fact I can be an arrogant tit sometimes. As far as arrogant tits go though i'm bloody gorgeous and a damn site more talented at everything than everyone else.

Ha, I do enjoy this incredibly stupid typing in forums thing. It allows me to talk utter rubbish and quite frankly theres nothing anyone can do.

In other news this conversation has gotten silly, thanks to the chick that says i'm only after attention, especially thanks to her for giving me attention by posting in this thread. It appears irony is dead.

Yes, I like attention, not for the reasons the majority of the posters on this thread do. I like to provoke a reaction whatever it may be, I like to meet new people with a similar sense of humour. Its not a bad thing to like attention, thats not what i'm saying, i'm saying don't beg for it like a puppy.

I believe this thread has ironed out any muffin problems we had however.
Thats all.
Drusus

Thanks so much for the comment. I really enjoyed it. And I did realize the dark side after I wrote it, :)

And thank you for recommending it above. It's a real compliment :)

HAHA. Wow. I wonder how long this thread will go.

FYI- those who think they are better than everyone else should just disppear. BECAUSE YOU AREN'T. You'll always be worse than some ppl, and better than some. But don't swallow too much pride.

just saying.

tis all.

and being that is is a forum where commenting should happen, and be shared and whatnot...
I wouldn't mind some thoughtful imput in any good poem you may find. Please and Thank you.

i dont mean to offend anyone. Sorry. It was something I had to get out in the open.

Thats ok for your information I choose not to listen to most things. Sombody has to be the best at everything, it just happens to be me.

Ha, someones going to pick up on the sarcasm here sometime i'm sure.

I will most definately pop over and have a look at your work, you gave an insightful comment about one of my poems.

I'm rather hoping your poems will be a lot better than your arguing skills.

Oh by the way I win the argument. I said so, so its final. If anyoe disagrees, so's your face!

Drusus

Haha. That is why I suck at debate. However, I can win in the more retarded arguements. This was fun anyway. It made me less stressed with all this work I have to do.

I love the attitude you have. It's nice.

And of course your better than anyone else in the world.

Thanks for the comment. I've been waiting for a more thoughtful one for a while. Iusually get, ohh its good, I like it. But, that's gotten kinda dull. I really want to know if I move someone or not. I want to know after thoughts, and any other corrections I should make.

once again, thank you.

I know the arguments pretty much over but I want to put my say in.

i'll admit I do post on these threads sometimes because I do want comments. I don't want comments for awards or to make myself feel better or any of that, frankly I could care less about awards. I want comments because I want to improve on my writing. I am only 13 and very new to writing poetry, and I know that there are many more experienced writers on this site and I just want to learn from them and improve on my writing.

And sometimes I do comment on others and not say very much besides that I like the poem, but that is merely because I don't know what else to say, I say what I feel and what I know that could help them improve. Again I am not that experienced in writing but atleast I do try and critique poems with what I do know.

Also you should not judge all poets on this site by who posts on here. There are many amazing poets that don't post anything asking for comments, and are better than half of the people on here anyway. But I do admire you for posting this, it made me think, and I do like thinking (not in school though).

Well I hope my thoughts on the matter are not overlooked because I'm young. I may be young but I am certainly not stupid.

~Nicole

I like this thread. Muffins and debates. Tell me before hand and I'll bring the tea.

Well Drusus I would love it if you could comment on my poem 'Chaotic Mind' You said 'Oh and by the way, a dark poem is not your pitiful battle to stop yourself cutting your arms in a cry for help way, with words like doom and affliction in it!' ... which by the way made me giggle. I do not cut myself or cry for help, I just write stories :D All my dark poetry is fanasty.

I like comments because I am curious of what people think. I want to know what I can do to make it better.. such and such.

Rating now... In a way I like it. In another... I do not. People who don't like me will give me 1 just because they do not like me... thats gay... I like knowing what people thought of my poetry... By the way, Perfection, I loved this!

'I mean you must realy write BAD to get a 1 from me and when I say BAD I mean like hit your head on the keyeborard 6 times and submit that...'

Truely enjoyed this thread...

Drusus I'll read one of yours and see what you're like.

Tea and cake. Oh my word am I becoming a stereotype here? I most certainly hope not.

I had a little look at that poem and then left a comment, or a small novel if you will.

Sorry when I get on the subject of a poem and what I think of it I rarely shut up.

Have to drag myself away with muffins.

You see i'm really not all that bad once you get past the bravado am I? Like I care what you think.
Ha... Oh god the milkman just came round, I should really go to sleep.
Drusus

i'm too lazy to read this... count me out.

Drusus,

As much as I respect you and as much as I respect your work, I must say something.

They created an entire thread for people to post their requests, to read and comment on each other's work. Through comments, people can honestly criticize each other's work. However, I know most of the people on here want comments for popularity reasons and whatnot, but I can assure you, there are poets on here that accept and appreciate honest comments. It is sad that we have to make deals for people to read our work, but that's because no one would have an initiative to read another's poems. Especially those who are not interested in bettering themselves as a poet.

I totally understand your point of view, but they do have an entire thread for this sort of thing. It works though. Hope that helps you understand the reasoning.

Darien i'm in a much better mood today i can tell you. I think you have summed it up well there.

Now what are your views on muffins?

I'm going to agree with Darien on this one...some ppl just don't want to take the time to comment so we just ask them to here...it's not shameful to exchange ideas with fellow poets...everyone can get something from this...if you don't like it then don't visit the freakin thread!
Besides...when i read your poetry i feel that you just use whatever word that ryhmes without regarding the fact that it ruins your poetry...
(but i'm not saying i'm any good at all)
Thanks
Love ya

I love strawberry muffins btw!

Glad to be of assistance to you Drusus.

If you guys have blueberry muffins, that would be cool thanks. I'm not a tea fan, but I'll take it!

Thankyou Jonda Beth for that startling summation of what had already been summed up.

I see the government are still testing on monkeys. Some of them seem almost human. (Oh dear Drusus is after a heated exchange of words again!).

By the way who's poetry are you talking about there? You mentioned no names and this is a forum. If you're talking about mine then thankyou for the observation and blow it out your exterior.

If you wish to talk about my poems pop over to my myspace add me and we'll chat http:www.myspace.com/druiddeath

but I didn't ask for your comments or your, at best, pathetic criticism.

I am a fan of criticism when it is constructive so I will give you some constructive criticism that is worth listening to. Stay away from my poems. Blueberry muffins destroy your weak strawberry muffins. A comment about your poetry or simply a statement about muffins? You decide.

Ha..that was so much fun.
Drusus

Hey, Drusus. Did you try the chocolate chip muffin today?

:D

LOL. What IS this ?? Haha!

"Blueberry muffins destroy your weak strawberry muffins."

Drusus, take a bow my friend, that was brilliant. She was out of line in saying what she said. There are times when things need to be said, and this wasn't the time. She truely does not appreciate or understand poetry. But what would you expect from someone at the age of 15? Now, let's move away from the bickering and let's have some blueberry muffins.

I tried the chocolate chip muffin today and what can I say, those things are clearly sent by the devil to torment chubby people all over the world. Damn you devil! I'll stick with the only slightly less fattening blueberry muffins, they make me feel better and were clearly sent by Jesus/God/Maynard James Keenan and the more important Stephen King!

I don't mind people coming in here and slagging off my idea's because I set myself up for it. I just don't like people slating my poetry over the forums, come and tell me in a comment or on msn if you feel like it. So then I can tell you to put it up your bum in person.

It doesn't matter anyway, its absolutely impossible to win an fight over the internet against me, I'm just far too good at this.

Drusus