Vote [only] for senior status requirement

Please vote, without comment, whether you believe the requirements for praised comments should be raised in order to achieve senior member status (SMS). Answer "Yes" if you think they should be raised, or "No" if you do not.
Then state how many praised comments on poems it should take to achieve SMS.

Examples:

No

Yes 20

No

Yes 15

Yes 15

Yes 20

Yes 30

Yes 15

Yes 30

Sorry...I know it says vote only but, I have a question which may influence my decision.

Is there a time frame on when a comment can be praised or...could someone praise a comment from a year ago for example?

*Also...is there anyway to prevent someone praising a comment before the author of the poem even gets a chance to read the comment and praise it themselves? With the time differences this has happened to me several times and I find it annoying.

Yes 25

But the standards by which a comment earns a praise MUST be reviewed and strengthened or else this becomes an exercise in futility.

Yes 15.

I will go with whoever/whatever wants, if it will even matter. So not to leave out some valuable folks, who do not comment that regularly. Despite the fact, it would exclude my favorite "Asperger type" poetic geniuses/savants. There are quite a few here in PnQ you know, if you look around carefully.

But, would somebody be even kind enough to be my 5th volunteer for the mock judging trial tournament test drive (will take your 30 mts only). I have requested a number of people with prior judging experience. I wonder if people have trouble saying "yes" or "no" even to simple requests! Maybe then wealso need to expand the definition of i....e to include s..b.
EDIT: Found 5 from the best. Thanks a lot to my mock judges. La, la la! :-))
Need 5 for the next run, this weekend, please volunteer. The efforts would be well worth your efforts. And will give you a lot of hands on experience before you hammer the new methodology. In particular, I would invite all who have been skeptics. Please try your hand on something new, more scientific and backed by statistical power.

Yes 25

(As much as I'd hate to see my senior status go. I must admit I was shocked to realize I had it a little bit ago) I think a status like that should carry a bit more 'standing' in terms of how they achieved the senior status.

Yes 30

....yeeeees..... 8. No, make that 5. Need to bring the average down.

Yes 30

Yes 15

Yes, 20

"But the standards by which a comment earns a praise MUST be reviewed and strengthened or else this becomes an exercise in futility."

^ I agree.

Sometimes the praising system is a joke.

I think the use of praised comments to assert seniority is silly. If this has to be how it is, then I think five praised comments (if they're actually reviewed and approved as worthy) is plenty. If you have the ability to think critically about poetry, then you shouldn't have to prove it an outrageous number of times just to get voting rights.

Could you clarify if this a stand-alone or are we assigning status based on other things as well (member for a year, 100 poems, etc.)?

No, amount of praised comments should not be a factor at all.

Seniority should, in my humble opinion, only be reached after having been a member for one year AND active participation. So for those who either post work, comment to others on a regular basis, or are active on the boards, or do all of these things.

* Editing this because I still have an unanswered question further up there ^^^^never ask a second question until your first one is answered satisfactorily...I believe.

Yes 25-30

"Is there a time frame on when a comment can be praised or...could someone praise a comment from a year ago for example?

Hellon, I just did a quick check for you. I clicked "praise" on a comment from 2007 and it appeared in mod tools for reviewing. Therefore a comment from way back can indeed be praised.

Thanks for that Mel...I feel I could add more to this but...right now...I'm just going to ponder...god I love that word haha!!!

As much as you want a yes or no Larry..I'm sorry but i can't, I agree with Ingrid, praised comments is not the answer, i've seem a lot of great critiques go unpraised yet many less than satisfactory ones that do, I know, i know its down to the mods to decipher them.

I've seen members who have been on the site for less that a month become senior members yet some that have been here for years that still aren't...

i think a one year minimum plus 20 poems, something along those lines...

my 5 cents worth..

Sorry to keep continuing this without just adding an answer, I agree with Narph, Ingrid and Nicko.

Praised comments can be an evidence of activeness on the site (not just in clubs), and the senior status should be measured by activeness (number of poems, number of comments, number of praised comments, the last visit date...). And speaking of activeness, can't a button be added in the profile of everyone here which allows us to know if someone is active or not? like.. it measures how many times one has logged in per day, and it shows something like a bar graph... or any statistical graph!

I agree with Ingrid.

I agree with Narph and Ingrid (this is Nevi btw, Narph and I put up the same name and photo. Club joke thing)

I think that requiring more praised comments is a completely baseless fix. All that it is likely to do is; ramp up the number of unworthy comments being submitted for praise, cause a lot of us (myself included) to lose senior status. This isn't really a solution to the weekly contest, it'll just cause the number of members with senior status to drop, and leave voting abilities in the hands of a few people.

unfair.

Also, what do comments really have to do with being a senior member anyway? With this, someone who joined, say, two weeks ago, could post nothing, do nothing on the boards, and just submit a lot of comments, and be called a "senior" where someone who has been here constantly and actively for years may not be.

If it's a must, I'd say that anything higher than 8 is completely ludicrous

Narph, but you have to consider that many prefer to stay away from the main forums for whatever reason so they just stay either on their clubs or own their own. While just leaving comments on poems.

I say YES to 15-30 praises
But if there was a time frame I would also say yes.

I think the deal with the raising the praised comments is to make it more equal to the other two ways of being a senior member. Writing 100 poems takes a long time, and being a member for a year takes... well... a year. Three praiseworthy comments, however, could be done in a night. This doesn't change the other ways in which you can be a senior member, it just alters this value to make it more in line with the other two. I think counting good critiques is actually a pretty fair way of judging "activity," and it allows people who read a ton but don't write a lot to be involved in the contest. (And since the judges are basically readers and commenters anyway, I figure that works.)

I will say, though, that it would be nice if we had a better way to judge activity in those members who have been here a year. Plenty of people register, never show up, and then do they become senior members automatically without ever posting anything? I think there should be some sort of check on that. Maybe a minimum number of poems plus one year, or something.

Sorry, Larry. I wasn't going to post, and then I did. If you want we can move this post, or copy the votes over into another thread.

It took me like 4 years to become of senior status when I had my last account...

Yes, 25 to 30.

Yes 30

but with stricter standards on praised comments

On another thread we will ask opinions & votes on other issues. Re the standard for praised comments: the mods deny praised comments more than you might expect. It takes more than a couple of lines; we look for insight or productive suggestions. If these standards should be different discuss them on the contest thread along with the other issues raised in here.

Hellon I don't know if it's doable to reserve first praise rights to the author, but we'll ask.

Seems to be another step toward excluding those members not popular on the site...

It's not about popularity, it's about activity. Senior member status anywhere else is reserved specifically for... senior members - the active, the ones who have been on for a specific amount of time etc.

So far it is 17 in favor, averaging about 22 comments;
6 others either say no or believe praised comments should not be a factor (taking Robert's post as a 'no');
2 posted without stating an opinion.

We'll leave this up at least overnight.

Yes 15

Yes 20-25

Yes 15 - 20

I said 5 to bring the average down, and because I think that's all the comments you need to achieve a senior status. If "No"s were being counted in the total average as 0s, I would say "No" to bring it down further. From Larry's calculations, it doesn't seem like it, as I expected.

30 praised comments? Sheeeeesh. 5-8 praised comments should be the ONLY defining step to senior status. Not a year duration, not 100 poems. Those two things do not define quality or merit as a judge of poetry. If the mods are discerning with their approvals on comments, then being approved 5 times is enough to earn the right to nominate a bloody poem.

For a comment to be praised, it first needs to be found and read by a reader who can be arsed writing a praise for it. Then it needs to be approved, hopefully in a critical, unbiased and consistent fashion. It should not be easy.

Also, currently, a one year membership does not warrant senior status so I don't know why that is being brought up here.

Keep it simple, folks.

I agree with abyy on this one
No